I'm thinking of breeding Cricket, have questions.

[waistfull]

I posted this in breeder section with no replies, so I thought I would try it here.

Cricket is only 11 months old. She had her 1st heat last month. She is 5 lbs. and I've had her to the vet to ask if she was too small for breeding. He said 5lbs. and up would be safe, and her build was very good. I'm still not sure If I will, but I have questions about stud service. What should I expect? What kind contract should be drawn up. What should be on the contract? Do you pay for a stud fee when they get together , or when she's confirmed pregnant, or if she has a litter? Does anyone have a contract like this that I could copy or read? I want to know everything I need to know before I even consider breeding. I take this seriously and want to be as informed as possible so please respond with questions and/or any information.
thanks in advance.

[mmyorkies]

The studs owner is the one that will have a contract. It more than likely will insist on a brucellious test to protect the male, and the male should also have a brucellious test.

[waistfull]

Originally Posted by mmyorkies

The studs owner is the one that will have a contract. It more than likely will insist on a brucellious test to protect the male, and the male should also have a brucellious test.

Thanks, I never heard of that test. I will definatley right this stuff down for myself and my vet. Any other advice??

What is usually on the stud's contract?

[mustangbee]

Wish I could help. We do have lots of Breeder Members,
I'm sure they will catch your post soon.
I would read as much as I could on Breeding.
There's a lot of on-line sites to look at too.
Here's one good one.
http://www.debbiejensen.com/whelping.html
Good Luck!

[wnalegria]

We have had quite a few posts that deal with breeding your female. You need to evaluate your female and see if she is breeding quality. Make a list of all the things (traits) that do not meet the yorkie standard. These are called faults. Every dog has faults- some are so severe that the dog should not be used for breeding. Ok you have made your list. What you do is look for a male that does not have the same faults as your female. If you breed your gal to a male who has the same problems (faults) then you are increasing the genetic likelyhood of giving those same problems to the puppies. A nice personality or that your dog is quick to learn tricks is not a good reason to breed your dog. This is helpful but should be the basis of your decision.

I will need a copy of your gal's pedigree and her vet records and a bruicellosis test. I also ask for a progersterone test to evaluate where she is in her cycle.
I need to see a copy of your dogs registration and make a copy for my records.

Depending on the stud dog owner- you will either pay a fee to breed to the male or will agree to giving the male owner the pick of the litter. Contract will state how many puppies constitute a litter and how long they will guarantee a live litter. For example - I guarantee the litter for seven days. This means if all your puppies die before the 8th day after being born -I will rebreed your female at the 4 next heat for no extra money paid. If your puppies die after the 8th day I do not owe you a rebreeding or do not owe you a refund. I ask to have first chance at any puppies that you intend to sell. I also state that puppies can not be gave to thier new owners before 12 weeks of age.

Each stud owner will have thier own contract and may make changes to it depending on the situation.



Hope this gives you a little more insight

[waistfull]

This is exactly what I'm looking for. As for faults, do I go to my vet or a show breeder for the fault information? Also, will Cricket go to the stud's house and for how long? Thanks!!

Originally Posted by wnalegria

We have had quite a few posts that deal with breeding your female. You need to evaluate your female and see if she is breeding quality. Make a list of all the things (traits) that do not meet the yorkie standard. These are called faults. Every dog has faults- some are so severe that the dog should not be used for breeding. Ok you have made your list. What you do is look for a male that does not have the same faults as your female. If you breed your gal to a male who has the same problems (faults) then you are increasing the genetic likelyhood of giving those same problems to the puppies. A nice personality or that your dog is quick to learn tricks is not a good reason to breed your dog. This is helpful but should be the basis of your decision.

I will need a copy of your gal's pedigree and her vet records and a bruicellosis test. I also ask for a progersterone test to evaluate where she is in her cycle.
I need to see a copy of your dogs registration and make a copy for my records.

Depending on the stud dog owner- you will either pay a fee to breed to the male or will agree to giving the male owner the pick of the litter. Contract will state how many puppies constitute a litter and how long they will guarantee a live litter. For example - I guarantee the litter for seven days. This means if all your puppies die before the 8th day after being born -I will rebreed your female at the 4 next heat for no extra money paid. If your puppies die after the 8th day I do not owe you a rebreeding or do not owe you a refund. I ask to have first chance at any puppies that you intend to sell. I also state that puppies can not be gave to thier new owners before 12 weeks of age.

Each stud owner will have thier own contract and may make changes to it depending on the situation.



Hope this gives you a little more insight

[Gracy]

Originally Posted by waistfull

I posted this in breeder section with no replies, so I thought I would try it here.

Cricket is only 11 months old. She had her 1st heat last month. She is 5 lbs. and I've had her to the vet to ask if she was too small for breeding. He said 5lbs. and up would be safe, and her build was very good. I'm still not sure If I will, but I have questions about stud service. What should I expect? What kind contract should be drawn up. What should be on the contract? Do you pay for a stud fee when they get together , or when she's confirmed pregnant, or if she has a litter? Does anyone have a contract like this that I could copy or read? I want to know everything I need to know before I even consider breeding. I take this seriously and want to be as informed as possible so please respond with questions and/or any information.
thanks in advance.

Please do research before you attempt.
I as a breeder would not breed a Dam under 6lbs, 7lbs is perfect.
The mortality rate for the Dam and pups go way up when the Dam is under 6lbs.
Also for Toy dogs, vets recommend 18 - 24 months.
Consider her size she probably will have a C-Section. Always consider that, always save up the money for that. Believe me it can happen unexpectedly.
Good Luck in what you do, consider your little one.

[waistfull]

Originally Posted by Gracy

Please do research before you attempt.
I as a breeder would not breed a Dam under 6lbs, 7lbs is perfect.
The mortality rate for the Dam and pups go way up when the Dam is under 6lbs.
Also for Toy dogs, vets recommend 18 - 24 months.
Consider her size she probably will have a C-Section. Always consider that, always save up the money for that. Believe me it can happen unexpectedly.
Good Luck in what you do, consider your little one.

When speaking to my vet, he said she was 5 lbs. and said she would be able to breed. That was 2 months ago when she was 9 months old. She may be heavier than that now. I noticed during and after her first heat, her little nipples and area around it got larger. She used to have a completely flat little tummy. Now she has "bumps" hee hee. I would spare no money on my pups health. Whatever money was needed to keep them in good health would be no problem. I'm not going to do this for a profit, just for the experience. I would like to become a great breeder one day. I love YT for having so many experienced yorkie lovers on here. I especially respect YorkieRose (Pat). She is so knowledgable. Thanks for the information. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

[Gracy]

Originally Posted by waistfull

When speaking to my vet, he said she was 5 lbs. and said she would be able to breed. That was 2 months ago when she was 9 months old. She may be heavier than that now. I noticed during and after her first heat, her little nipples and area around it got larger. She used to have a completely flat little tummy. Now she has "bumps" hee hee. I would spare no money on my pups health. Whatever money was needed to keep them in good health would be no problem. I'm not going to do this for a profit, just for the experience. I would like to become a great breeder one day. I love YT for having so many experienced yorkie lovers on here. I especially respect YorkieRose (Pat). She is so knowledgable. Thanks for the information. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

Did your Vet give you an idea of when to breed her?
I am asking this cause if he didn't suggest waiting till atleast 18 months, I would question him/her. In my experience most Vets specialize in big breeds than toys. Toys are a specialty all their own.

There was a thread about a few weeks back about breeding.
I think Snow yorkie was the one, anyways she commented about breeding and risks, preferred size etc. If I find it I;ll PM you
Check out the Breeder talk Forum it may be there.
There is alot of good advice from all the breeders that participate.

I do not want to sound stern, but last Sept I almost lost my Lily during whelping. She is 6lb 7 oz and her pup who was stuck in the birth canal was only 4oz. She had to have an emergency C-Section .
I almost lost Lily and her 3 pups, that is how serious it was.

[Akitakt]

Originally Posted by waistfull

I'm not going to do this for a profit, just for the experience. I would like to become a great breeder one day. Thanks for the information. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

Hey there. You might not want to hear this but may I also add my 2 cents/suggestion. If you are going to become a great breeder please also don't forget to check the homes and references of potential buyers. A lot of breeders don't do this and it's irresponsible, IMO. And please have them sign a contract stating that if they do not want the dog for any reason in the future for the rest of his/her life that they must bring the dog back to you.

A responsible breeder will not allow the puppies they brought into the world to end up with abusive people or in a shelter or homeless or worse.

[waistfull]

[quote=Gracy]Did your Vet give you an idea of when to breed her?
I am asking this cause if he didn't suggest waiting till atleast 18 months, I would question him/her. In my experience most Vets specialize in big breeds than toys. Toys are a specialty all their own.

There was a thread about a few weeks back about breeding.
I think Snow yorkie was the one, anyways she commented about breeding and risks, preferred size etc. If I find it I;ll PM you
Check out the Breeder talk Forum it may be there.
There is alot of good advice from all the breeders that participate.

I do not want to sound stern, but last Sept I almost lost my Lily during whelping. She is 6lb 7 oz and her pup who was stuck in the birth canal was only 4oz. She had to have an emergency C-Section .
I almost lost Lily and her 3 pups, that is how serious it was.[/QUOTE/]


I would be taking her to the vet (a friend of mine) for her delivery. She should be at least 2 years old before breeding he says. She has to be fully developed and 12-18 months they are still pups. I would be taking Cricket to have an ultrasound before she delivers. I can't remember what week # that would be. I don't have any problem taking her to the vet, even too much. I may not even breed her. I just want to get all of my ducks in a row before deciding. I want to take care of my baby. If this seems to risky, I would not do it. She is so precious to me. I love her more than I could ever express in words. Thank you for all of your information. I more than appreciate it!!

[waistfull]

Originally Posted by Akitakt

Hey there. You might not want to hear this but may I also add my 2 cents/suggestion. If you are going to become a great breeder please also don't forget to check the homes and references of potential buyers. A lot of breeders don't do this and it's irresponsible, IMO. And please have them sign a contract stating that if they do not want the dog for any reason in the future for the rest of his/her life that they must bring the dog back to you.

A responsible breeder will not allow the puppies they brought into the world to end up with abusive people or in a shelter or homeless or worse.

You don't have to worry about that. Both of my sisters want to have a puppy of Cricket's when or IF she is bred. I had to say no to them. They even offered full price of what a AKC yorkie costs. One has 4 mean cats (they are half wild) and the other has a small child and 4 large dogs and a cat. I would never give out a baby unless I actually knew exactly where they were going and they would have to have vet and other references!! No small children, they would have to know what to expect with yorkies, as they are much different than many other dogs. I would want a stay at home Mommy like me, I wouldn't want them crated all day. The list goes on....

[wnalegria]

Originally Posted by waistfull

When speaking to my vet, he said she was 5 lbs. and said she would be able to breed. That was 2 months ago when she was 9 months old. She may be heavier than that now. I noticed during and after her first heat, her little nipples and area around it got larger. She used to have a completely flat little tummy. Now she has "bumps" hee hee. I would spare no money on my pups health. Whatever money was needed to keep them in good health would be no problem. I'm not going to do this for a profit, just for the experience. I would like to become a great breeder one day. I love YT for having so many experienced yorkie lovers on here. I especially respect YorkieRose (Pat). She is so knowledgable. Thanks for the information. Any other suggestions would be greatly appreciated!!

You may want to contact Yorkie Rose by pm and ask that she mentor you from long distance. This should put your mind to rest since she is so knowlegedgable and you already think a lot of her. I know that she would take great care of you and answer all your questions.