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04-06-2011, 11:34 AM | #1 |
YT Addict Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Royse City tx
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| What does it mean when? Your pups AKC papers has a DNA# under the sires name? It also has a T#. Bella's dam only has the T#. Does this mean that her sire was DNa tested? I haven't sent her papers to AKC yet, but when I was looking and noticed this I didn't quite understand it. Oh, and if I posted this in the wrong place please forgive me.
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04-06-2011, 11:43 AM | #2 |
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| Belle's AKC paperwork and pedigree have DNA test numbers on most of her ancesters. If you go to AKC.org there is an explaination how to read the papers. It's very interesting . I'm sure other more experienced members know more about it.
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04-06-2011, 11:47 AM | #3 | |
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Oh goodness, something I just read on yahoo answers was that DNA testing is offered to frequently used sires. IDK really, but that kinda made my stomach turn.... Hopefully it's nothing though....
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04-06-2011, 01:58 PM | #4 |
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| American Kennel Club - DNA and the AKC DNA and the AKC Making the Science Work for You http://www.akc.org/images/dna/dna_question.jpg The AKC offers a comprehensive set of voluntary and mandatory programs to ensure the integrity of the AKC registry: voluntary DNA Profiling; the Frequently Used Sires requirement; the Fresh-Extended/Frozen Semen requirement; the Multiple-Sired Litter Registration Policy; the Import Breeding Stock requirement; and the Kennel Inspections/Compliance Audit Program. The AKC has built the world's largest database of canine DNA profiles for parentage verification and genetic identity purposes. The Science Behind AKC DNA Profiles AKC DNA Profiles are generated using the same technology used by law enforcement agencies throughout the world. How does this work? In humans and dogs alike, each gene is present as two copies (displayed as letters). Offspring receive one copy of each gene from each parent in a random process. This technology does not use actual genes, but other DNA sequences that are also inherited one copy from each parent. For this reason, your dog's AKC DNA Profile does not provide any information about the conformation of the dog or the presence/absence of genetic diseases. Furthermore, AKC DNA Profiles cannot determine the breed of a dog. Voluntary DNA Profile This voluntary program has resulted from significant input from the fancy. The DNA Profile Program is for owners and breeders electing to add value to their breeding programs by eliminating concerns or questions about identification and parentage. A dog owner may contact AKC for a DNA Test Kit which includes a swab that the owner uses to collect loose cells from inside the dog's cheek. An AKC DNA Profile containing the dog's registration information, genotype, and a unique DNA Profile number is issued for each dog sampled. This DNA Profile number will appear on subsequently issued Registration Certificates and Pedigrees. DNA Requirements AKC DNA Profiling is required for: Frequently Used Sires (dogs having the greatest impact on the AKC Stud Book); imported breeding stock; dogs whose semen is collected for fresh-extended or frozen use; and for the sires, dam and puppies for Multiple-Sired Litter Registration. Kennel Inspections/Compliance Audit Program AKC Representatives take DNA samples at randomly selected kennels to verify identification and parentage of litters. AKC litter registration and privileges will be withdrawn when the parentage of the litters is determined to be incorrect. The dogs sampled through the Compliance Audit Program are not considered AKC DNA Profiled, and DNA Profiles are not issued. The AKC DNA Database and Parentage Verification Comparison of the DNA profiles of a dam, sire, and pup(s) will determine, with greater than 99% confidence, whether the pups are from the tested dam and sire. The AKC DNA database examines the parentage of all AKC DNA Profiled registered dogs and litters whelped on or after January 1, 2000. When problems are discovered, the DNA staff works with breeders to determine correct parentage at the breeder's expense. AKC Parentage Evaluation Service For a fee, an AKC DNA Analyst will issue a Parentage Evaluation of a litter in the form of an easy to read table listing each dog's genotype and a written report. Parentage Evaluation can be used to ensure accuracy when breeding has been done offsite, for cases of artificial insemination, or to add an extra measure of confidence to your pedigrees. AKC Parentage Profile For AKC registered dogs born on/after January 1, 2000, dog owners may purchase a handsome profile displaying the registration information and genotypes for the dog and its AKC registered sire and dam. All three dogs must be AKC DNA Profiled to purchase this profile.
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04-06-2011, 02:23 PM | #5 |
Mardelin Yorkshire Terriers Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: California
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| While it is somewhat voluntary, it is required if a stud sires so many litters in a year and I think 7 in a lifetime..... Most of the breeder/exhibitors that I know have the dogs DNA'd the moment they know they are going to keep a dog in their breeding program. Many are now having the females DNA'd. Doing very easy on AKC inspectors to identify litters.....no slipping in a non AKC registrable pup in with a litter that is AKC. Many AKC inspectors will DNA a litter, dam and sire to make sure that their registration is correct.
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04-06-2011, 04:51 PM | #6 | |
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Okay, so this is used as a pracaution to help ensure that oh let's say, a silky terrier or something hasn't really sired a litter of pups claiming to be from a Yorkie? Well, in some instances I suppose. As it states above a breeder can volunteer a DNA sample to keep track of the parentage of each said litter too. Correct? You see, I just thought about going ahead and sending my girl's papers in and saw this and thought, hmmm that's interesting. Before I came to YT I as so many, knew NOTHING about BYB'ers. Now that I have all of this useful info and seeing that her sire was DNA'd I feel as though she may have come from a mill. I mean her breeder said he just breeds his pet Yorkies, but I am just beginning to think he is using these/this particular dog ALOT for breeding. I am ashamed of having purchased my baby girl this way, but didn't know better at the time. I am just nauseated over all of this. The bright side is that so far, she is healthy and happy..Oh, and I have learned a TON since and WILL NEVER go about getting a pup this way anymore! Thank you ladies again!
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04-06-2011, 05:31 PM | #7 | |
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If a dog is used more that 7 times in a lifetime it is a requirement.
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04-06-2011, 06:25 PM | #8 | |
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Okay, now I see! Goodness, I did have it confused. COMPLETE duh moment. I'm working on less than 2 hrs sleep last night. Now that, makes more sense. Also makes me feel a TON better about where my girl came from! Thanks so much for clarifying! I can't wait to get her pedigree now! Do you know what that T followed by other letters and some numbers is about? Is that their AKC registration number? Bella already has one of those according to her papers but hasn't been officially registered yet. Does AKC just issue "x" amount of papers with one of these numbers according to however many pups were had? I really appreciate all your help as I know you are a busy lady and this must get grueling after being asked such dumb questions.
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04-06-2011, 06:32 PM | #9 | |
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The T followed by the numbers is required when you register your puppy and is an identifier, I believe of the litter. When I registered Dash online, I had to enter this number as well as the PIN. If you see an AKC DNA # on your registration application, I would consider that a good thing!
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04-06-2011, 06:40 PM | #10 | |
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There is also another numbers you may find with dogs within the pedigre... MicroChip #......also the date they were entered into the stud book. Don't ever hesitate to ask questions.......I may not get to you, but there are others that will......
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04-06-2011, 06:46 PM | #11 |
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| That's interesting! I assumed there were only 2 puppies in Dash's litter, but the number on his app ends in 03, so there is another puppy out there I didn't know about. I will have to ask his breeder.
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