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Old 03-21-2011, 11:30 PM   #1
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this whole thing, but not the puppy. I am truly at a lost for words guys and gals...I mean how do you begin to explain the pain and violation you feel when someone you trust with a life...your puppy's life begins to act so bizarre?
Let me first say that I have been more of a visitor than a poster here because I have been learning but also more nervous. I am really just ashamed of what I am about to share with you all and essentially, the world. But I suppose if someone can learn from this situation then I have been successful in something. Not many want to admit that they have made a stupid mistake but, for the sake of myself and Aniko...
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Okay, So I searched high and low for a YT breeder, running across puppy mills and BYB's alike. Then after searching for quite some time I figured I will just let "it" find me so to speak. On one last ditch attempt, it happened. Almost too good to be true. I found someone who shows dogs and breeds them. Her Champion stud was gorgeous and she seemed well informed, caring, and everything else you would like to find in a breeder. After some time of thinking it over and not rushing things, my fiance and I began to dream about this puppy. I mean I have spent hours on the phone with her. Shared tons of email, almost on a daily basis. So we put down our deposit and eventually paid it all. (Please keep in mind that I am not outlining our entire "courtship" just giving a synopsis.) I guess that's when it all went downhill. Well, he is due to come home on Friday and we are very excited to get him but there are a few discrepancies. In the beginning I would spend much time with her on the phone, talked to other references, shared grooming and showing tips, along with a plethora of photos of the pups progress. Well, now she has done a complete 180 degree flip on me.

1. She kennels her pups and parents. (I knew this before but never thought it was a real issue until I became a member of this site.) She did assure me that the pups and adults get plenty of socialization on a daily basis because she has grandchildren and plenty of acreage.
2. She is a member of this forum, but upon googling for her specifically I found some posts that scare me.
3. She made the comment that the reason she does not call is because she is trying to keep her phone bill low and she prefers email anyway. But when I email her in b/w calls she is very short with me. Almost in a rude kind of way. Like her responding back is a waste of time.
4. Upon me asking for the contract to be sent to me ahead of the puppy she tells me that she has a funeral to attend and will email me later. --> exact response from her. "so very sorry I haven’t gotten back to you—my husbands brother died and his funeral is today---I’ll write more this evening after the funeral." But she has not written back.
5. I asked if she will send a blanket or toy with him when he flies to me and she says that she will see what she can do.
6. I asked her for a list a while back of suggested supplies and she says that as the time nears she will send all of the new owners a list of things she uses on her show dogs...still have not received it and he comes this Friday.


I really do not know what to do or how to begin...I mean am I just being too needy and in your face, and perhaps that is the reason for her personality shift? Do you think I am panicking because the time is nearing? We are madly in love with this little guy and I have been following his progression since he was just days old...so stopping this is basically impossible. He tugs at my heartstrings every single time. I am really ashamed that I let this happen, I thought I was as well informed as some of you. But, I showed my inexperience with this. What would you recommend I do? Please, don't chew me up and spit me out...I don't want to known as the dumb newbie, or feel outcasted...
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Old 03-22-2011, 09:21 AM   #2
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I am not an expert by any means. However, I do know how it is to love your Yorkie unconditionally. So I do understand how you are feeling about this puppy that is coming to you on Friday. It is a start of a relationship between the two of you.

I have never dealt with breeders because Rosie came from my sister in law. I do think they would be familiar with having new parents ask lots of questions. Especially if this is your first time to own a Yorkie. So, I don't think you are being to needy. As a matter of fact, I think the more knowledgeable you are about the puppy the better. I think you are doing the right thing about asking all the questions. You just want to be a good Yorkie parent.

I also want to add that you should not feel ashamed to ask questions here. Many of us have learned valuable lessons after our own experiences. There are so many members here that are very knowledgeable and will tell you what is best for your new furbaby. The furbaby's best interest is always in their heart. Keep that in mind as you read posts.

By the way, how old will this puppy be when you get him?
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I kennel my dogs at night...
A 180 is telling unless she doesn truly have personal emergencies...
Sounds like most of your complains are borderline, but if you are not comfortable back out and away...
You should post the breeders name to get feedback on her...or at least look her up on here.
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Oh, I am so sorry to read this! I know how you are looking forward to that boy! This does not sound like the typical breeder response to me by my experience is so limited in dealing with breeders that I am unable to help except to tell you I think you are behaving as any expectant Yorkie owner would. I'd think the breeder would be thrilled one of her babies was going to an involved dog lover, overanxious to provide love and necessities. I am sure those with way more experience in this process can help you but please do not feel you will be chewed up, etc., as we have all had to learn our lessons! Sounds like you did far more research than most. Keep us informed and I do hope that you can get Niko very soon!!!
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I mean I have spent hours on the phone with her. Shared tons of email, almost on a daily basis.

"so very sorry I haven’t gotten back to you—my husbands brother died and his funeral is today---I’ll write more this evening after the funeral." But she has not written back.
If she & her family are going through a death in their family, she is probably more than a lil distracted dealing with that. If she's placing a few pups, imagine your calls & emails, multiplied by however many number of pups she has.
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I am not an expert by any means. However, I do know how it is to love your Yorkie unconditionally. So I do understand how you are feeling about this puppy that is coming to you on Friday. It is a start of a relationship between the two of you.

I have never dealt with breeders because Rosie came from my sister in law. I do think they would be familiar with having new parents ask lots of questions. Especially if this is your first time to own a Yorkie. So, I don't think you are being to needy. As a matter of fact, I think the more knowledgeable you are about the puppy the better. I think you are doing the right thing about asking all the questions. You just want to be a good Yorkie parent.

I also want to add that you should not feel ashamed to ask questions here. Many of us have learned valuable lessons after our own experiences. There are so many members here that are very knowledgeable and will tell you what is best for your new furbaby. The furbaby's best interest is always in their heart. Keep that in mind as you read posts.

By the way, how old will this puppy be when you get him?
He will 10 weeks old when he comes...exactly 10 since he was born on a Friday. (Jan. 14, 2011) I believe she might be rushing them off since she now has two pregnant females due next month. I am assuming with that one. I understand the importance of the pup being with the litter and mom until 12wks, but at this point I just really want him to come home so that I can show him what it means to LIVE with your family and be part of the pack. So I am happy that he is coming...just hate the situation I suppose.

Thank you for the kind words and support. You are so right, I really don't want to be a bad yorkie parent. They love so unconditionally and can do no wrong...
Gosh, some of you guys are like a role model when it comes to doing things right by your pup. I don't want to disappoint. I will neuter him and give him the best of everything...I don't have any children and my fiance and I are far from that anyway because we are now just about to graduate college.

I know I shouldn't be ashamed, just kind of hard when there are so many ppl out there that really knows their stuff.
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Wow. I don't know what to say other than ~ if you are getting bad vibes and have concerns; it's best to lay it all on the table with her now and sooner rather than later.

One thing that was important to me was being able to visit and meet the breeder and pups prior to bringing one home.

Were you able to do that?

Sounds like you are so excited for this puppy and Friday is almost here . . . yes, I would want to see the contract prior to picking up my puppy. If there was a death in the family; then certainly I can understand some delays in getting back to you.

Hopefully, you will get some other responses. I would want to have a frank and open discussion prior to picking up my pup. This is a big decision you are making.
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A 180 is telling unless she doesn truly have personal emergencies...
Sounds like most of your complains are borderline, but if you are not comfortable back out and away...
You should post the breeders name to get feedback on her...or at least look her up on here.
I do want to tell her name but I am afraid that if she reads this info, she might not send him to me, being that she has yet to actually send me a contract. I have his flight information and everything else...but there is still no telling. She is not an active member, I believe. She still has the account but barely if at all gets on.

I will PM you her name, though because I am very interested in finding out what you know. You can post whatever you find here though.
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He will 10 weeks old when he comes...exactly 10 since he was born on a Friday. (Jan. 14, 2011) I believe she might be rushing them off since she now has two pregnant females due next month. I am assuming with that one. I understand the importance of the pup being with the litter and mom until 12wks, but at this point I just really want him to come home so that I can show him what it means to LIVE with your family and be part of the pack. So I am happy that he is coming...just hate the situation I suppose.

Thank you for the kind words and support. You are so right, I really don't want to be a bad yorkie parent. They love so unconditionally and can do no wrong...
Gosh, some of you guys are like a role model when it comes to doing things right by your pup. I don't want to disappoint. I will neuter him and give him the best of everything...I don't have any children and my fiance and I are far from that anyway because we are now just about to graduate college.

I know I shouldn't be ashamed, just kind of hard when there are so many ppl out there that really knows their stuff.

She is sending him out a little early and a good breeder would know that. However, I do understand you wanting him. I don't think you will be a bad parent at all. It sounds like you love him so much already. Yes they do love unconditionally. They are like children. But let me warn you about the they can do no wrong statement.... Lol. Just kidding! Neutering him will be a good idea. I think most on here will be supportive on that. I scheduled Rosie for her spay just as soon as the vet said it was ok to do it. As far as you not wanting to disappoint, keep in mind we all learn daily. I have learned so much from the more experienced members here. If I have a question I ask it. Rosie was sick not to long ago. Guess who I turned to? The more experienced members here. Hang in there! Can't wait to see pictures of your new baby!
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Oh, I am so sorry to read this! I know how you are looking forward to that boy! This does not sound like the typical breeder response to me by my experience is so limited in dealing with breeders that I am unable to help except to tell you I think you are behaving as any expectant Yorkie owner would. I'd think the breeder would be thrilled one of her babies was going to an involved dog lover, overanxious to provide love and necessities. I am sure those with way more experience in this process can help you but please do not feel you will be chewed up, etc., as we have all had to learn our lessons! Sounds like you did far more research than most. Keep us informed and I do hope that you can get Niko very soon!!!
I really hope I do soon. He will be a very loved little boy!
I know I shouldn't feel so bad or afraid for that matter. Just scary to blog about such issues and this is a first. I am happy that this is such a caring and loving community. I would think she would be thrilled as well...but as another poster said perhaps she is just stretched thin in many directions.

However, she did send me another email today and said that she will let me know when she gets the paperwork together...WTF? Shouldn't you already have things like this. This isn't her first time breeding!
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He will 10 weeks old when he comes...exactly 10 since he was born on a Friday. (Jan. 14, 2011) I believe she might be rushing them off since she now has two pregnant females due next month. I am assuming with that one. I understand the importance of the pup being with the litter and mom until 12wks, but at this point I just really want him to come home so that I can show him what it means to LIVE with your family and be part of the pack. So I am happy that he is coming...just hate the situation I suppose.

Thank you for the kind words and support. You are so right, I really don't want to be a bad yorkie parent. They love so unconditionally and can do no wrong...
Gosh, some of you guys are like a role model when it comes to doing things right by your pup. I don't want to disappoint. I will neuter him and give him the best of everything...I don't have any children and my fiance and I are far from that anyway because we are now just about to graduate college.

I know I shouldn't be ashamed, just kind of hard when there are so many ppl out there that really knows their stuff.
Nothing you said in your first post seemed alarming, however, I really would be concerned if the breeder is willing to allow a 10 week old dog to go home, Twelve weeks is the minimum recommended by the breed club, and for good reason. Just because a puppy is no longer nursing, the mother and littermates are teaching it important skills. Puppies that stay with mothers longer learning inhibition of the biting reflex, and are easier to housebreak. A good mother can teach a puppy to start using the pads. Don't forget that just because a breeder shows, this means nothing about her overall skills as a breeder. Some breeders show for all the wrong reasons, and we've had breeders who been members here who claim they show, but who've knowingly sold very sick dogs. Do you know if this breeder does health testing of her breeding stock?
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I do want to tell her name but I am afraid that if she reads this info, she might not send him to me, being that she has yet to actually send me a contract. I have his flight information and everything else...but there is still no telling. She is not an active member, I believe. She still has the account but barely if at all gets on.

I will PM you her name, though because I am very interested in finding out what you know. You can post whatever you find here though.
No contract yet but he is being sent on Friday?!
I'm leery for you I'm sorry I don't want to be negative but this is hard to tell weather she is having and issue and just slacking or is being shady with you.
I got my Elvis from a lady who was so nice and sweet and told me a long story of who and why and how and answered everything correctly and then did a 180 sent him in sub par condition, basically everything she said was a lie, never sent the documentation she promised to (now stupid of me not to get it all first) and then he is ill needs de-worming, has arthritis, dental issues all requiring immediate needs and within two months has seizures-he is epileptic, she turned from nice into vile and then offered a replacement pup had me distracted with that and then just...oh what a mess...I could have sued but what a bigger mess...so I now tell everyone-don't trust what they say get it all verified-even the sweetest seeming person can give all the right answers, and it's all fake-they are just good at it
What I missed is that she would send and email be vague and then I'd respond to get things clear and then she'd call or have me call her-phone calls are not recorded...sneaky and shady emailing is the best way to correspond and then in person once all is set and agreed.

She could very well be having a family emergency I'd hate to freak out when someone is simply having a hard time or personal emergency...but then again I'm sorry some people have no bounds to their lies and seem to invent a personal emergency to tug at your heart at just the right time. Follow your gut and be careful making sure you accept the risk you are taking on fully or walk away...

I'm sorry but if she has nothing to hide or doesn't want to adopt to you because you did your homework as a buyer then she's a shady breeder...posting on here should be a badge of honor for good breeders notice only those with shady or negative issues get bent over their practices being posted? That's telling.

Best of luck to you I really hope it's all for nothing and everything works out for you.
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I do want to tell her name but I am afraid that if she reads this info, she might not send him to me, being that she has yet to actually send me a contract. I have his flight information and everything else...but there is still no telling. She is not an active member, I believe. She still has the account but barely if at all gets on.

I will PM you her name, though because I am very interested in finding out what you know. You can post whatever you find here though.
How is this 10 week pup being transported?

I've always recommended; you buy your breeder first, then your dog. If you feel uncomfortable with the breeder, walk away.......Your breeder should be available to you 7x24 for the rest of that dog's life.

Has this breeder forwarded you her contract, has it been signed?
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I really hope I do soon. He will be a very loved little boy!
I know I shouldn't feel so bad or afraid for that matter. Just scary to blog about such issues and this is a first. I am happy that this is such a caring and loving community. I would think she would be thrilled as well...but as another poster said perhaps she is just stretched thin in many directions.

However, she did send me another email today and said that she will let me know when she gets the paperwork together...WTF? Shouldn't you already have things like this. This isn't her first time breeding!
Absolutely I would think those things would be stored in a folder ready to click and attach but I am not walking in her shoes so can't really say. I know this will be an anxious time for you so I will keep my fingers and toes crossed and hope that the excellent guidance by other YT'ers here can help you, your fiance and little Niko through this. Keep us updated and praying for the very best outcome.
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I really don't like how this breeder is doing things! It is definitely not the way reputable exhibitor / breeders do things. Please PM be the name of the breeder and I will do some checking.
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