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Old 01-03-2011, 01:44 PM   #1
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Hey everyone.

I've been a reader for quite sometime and decided to introduce myself with a question.

So I have a particular situation. I love dogs but I am terrified of them, have been for most of my life, especially the bigger breeds. However, I am well on my way on getting over that phobia. I would like to get a dog in my close future (maybe later this year) but not sure on which breed would be best for me. I'm 21 and about to graduate university. I will hopefully be going to grad school after and will be living in an apartment/small house so the dog should be able to thrive in that situation.

These are my dog needs
-small/medium
-GENTLE (very very little biting/aggressive tendency since that's my worst fear with dogs)
-good with children (I have none now and won't for 7ish years but I obviously want my dog to live longer than that)
-cute: sounds superficial but its psychological. It's hard to be afraid of something that's cute and sweet

I've researched a ton of breeds and I believe that a Yorkie would be a great candidate for me I've looked up the cons and I believe I can handle them. It's the only dog I have had a positive experience with. My boss has a great and very well-trained one I was able to interact with.

I realize this is an odd situation but I would appreciate your opinions on this matter as yorkie owners. Do you believe a Yorkie would be a good dog for someone who is "recovering" from a dog phobia?
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I think a Yorkie could be a very good choice for you, but you have to realize that Yorkies are very attached to their humans so typically, they want to close to you at all times. If you are still fearful of dogs, you are going to have to allow this dog to be close to you and not be fearful of them. The dog will sense your fear, so I think it'd be wise to put yourself around other dogs before getting one of your own so you can get positive experiences with them and get yourself comfortable.

A young puppy is going to nibble and bite in a playful manner, so you have to prepare yourself for that. That your dog is not being aggressive, just playful. Getting a pup at the proper age of 12 weeks or older can help this though and getting from a good reputable breeder who socializes properly and trains, etc, so you have a better chance of getting a well balanced dog.

I really believe that you can (for the most part) make a dog what you want them to be, by proper training, socialization, etc. For example, I always allowed Jackson to experience many parts of life even as a young pup... we got our first snow storm when he was 15 weeks old or so... I let him go out and explore. His first summer, I allowed him to get into the pool water and discover it and learn to love it, etc. I never held him back from anything so I molded him into the dog I wanted him to be. There's no way to guarantee a dog will like children, etc, but you can work hard at making sure they do. Jackson still gets concerned about strange children running around, but he loves the children he's grown up with (young cousins, siblings, etc) and I know he'd be fine with a baby because he's been around them.

I am 20 years old and in college. Community college, but still. Jackson takes up most of my free time. I love it, but I know it's not for everyone. He's a TON of work. He requires daily exercise (minimum 30 minute walk, but I usually do more including fetch tennis balls, frisbee, dog parks, running, etc) and LOTS of attention (Yorkies in general are pretty high maintenance attention seeking dogs). After classes all day, I can't just go out with friends for a late dinner and not get home until 9pm... I have a living breathing mammal that needs interaction, pottying time, exercise, etc.

Do I believe a Yorkie would be a good dog for someone who is "recovering" from a dog phobia? Sure, so would a lot of other breeds... because, like I said, I think it's first about helping yourself get over the fear, moreso than a particular breed.
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Old 01-03-2011, 05:19 PM   #3
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Very well said Brit....:thumb up:

I've owned several different breeds of dogs (Scottish Terriers, Boxers, Labs, etc.) and my Yorkie is by FAR the most high maintenance. He require LOTS of attention and is way more sensitive to my moods/attitude than any other breed I've been around. I wouldn't describe them as "easy".

Are they worth it? ABSOLUTELY

Edit: Forgot to add.....Beau is VERY protective of me. He barks and growls at strangers who approach us, I have to give him a firm "Quite". You have to be prepared to be the boss because if you aren't, your Yorkie will have no problem being the boss of you...LOL

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Yorkies are a wonderful breed, but they aren't meant for everyone. I think you need to be pretty confident, and have some experience with dogs before you consider a yorkie. As others have said, they need lots of human time, and they really are very protective. While your dog might never bite you, he might act like he'll bite a visitor, if he's not trained properly. I think Maltese are more of a lap dog, and the Shih Tzu, seems more laid back. Have you considered checking out rescues? They have older dogs, and can often match up a dog's personality to its owner. The Yorkshire Terrier puppy year is difficult for even experienced pet owners. If you decide to buy a dog through a breeder, check out the breed club, most good breeders aren't trying to sell you a dog, they really want to see if that breed is right for you, if they turn you down, don't feel bad, it's not personal, it's just they decided at this time in your life, it's not your best choice.
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Brittany Jackson you are a very lucky dog with a very smart and loving mom. I too have tried to experience Buster to many different situations and sounds. He is far less reactive to unknown experiences then most of my friends dogs. HPfanatic I hope you find a special dog who suits you. They are wonderful companions.

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Old 01-03-2011, 06:35 PM   #6
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It's really hard to say whether a yorkie would be a good breed for you. It depends on the dog itself. As others have said, yorkies are a high maintenance breed and can be a bit rambunctious, so you have to be prepared to put in the work that it takes to own a yorkie. Also, there are some yorkies that are a bit temperamental. I happen to own one, but my other one is the sweetest thing in the world. I think if you do research, work with a reputable breeder, and are willing to put in the work it takes to own a yorkie, then it could be a good fit. Since you are working on getting over your phobia, I would also try to spend as much time with as many different dogs as possible so you can make sure that you can really handle living and taking care of a dog everyday for the rest of it's life.

And thumbs up to you for taking the steps to get over your dog phobia. They really are awesome creatures if you know how to work with them and take the time to help ensure that they are "well balanced" dogs. I can't imagine my life without my dogs!
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Yorkies do need a confident owner and if they think you are weak or fearful, watch out! They are terriers!
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I agree with the others. Kaji helped my mom get over her fear of dogs, and she is helping him get over his fear of people. But he has a very mellow personality. He is extremely needy though. He NEEDS to be right with me at all times. Other than being physically present, he's really easy to care for and doesn't need or want anything other than food or exercise.
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Somtimes I think a terrier is not a great choice for everyone for their very first dogs. They are spunky; high energy; and will take over the house without a strong leader.

Since you are somewhat fearful, have you considered a slightly more laid-back dog? Like someone else mentioned, I'm thinking you might also consider a maltese.

They are small, some just as small as a yorkie (mine was larger) and a good deal more laid back.

That said, I love my Lucy and think she is perfect for me.
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Somtimes I think a terrier is not a great choice for everyone for their very first dogs. They are spunky; high energy; and will take over the house without a strong leader.

Since you are somewhat fearful, have you considered a slightly more laid-back dog? Like someone else mentioned, I'm thinking you might also consider a maltese.

They are small, some just as small as a yorkie (mine was larger) and a good deal more laid back.

That said, I love my Lucy and think she is perfect for me.
This is why an adult rescue might be more ideal. The OP will know what personality an adult doghas vs a puppy. There are mellow yorkies out there, like mine. However, mellow doesn't mean inactive either. Kaji enjoys hiking and romping in the grass.
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my little beau is the sweetest thing , she would go to anybody and loves kids, BUT sonny-boy is totally different he thinks that his family should be the only living family in the world, he wont go to anyone, quite a nervous little man,

there is also the grooming side to owning a long coated dog, they all need groomed , which is very important to maintain a healthy coat and dog. my friend owns a maltese, what a beauty, and small,she is sure the lap dog far more than mine, all in all yorkies are the best good luck in whatever you decide
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Wow thank you guys for your quick and very detailed responses.

From the very good points you guys brought up, it seems like maybe a yorkie may not be the best choice for a recovering phobic (not sure if that's even a word lol). That's kind of sad because I've gotten so into the breed.

I see that a couple of you suggested a Maltese as a better option. From what you guys have said they are generally more laid back and less high maintenance. That is another breed I was considering actually so I will look further into that. Any other suggestions?

Also, DvlshAngel985, you mentioned the puppy vs adult thing. I originally had intentions of getting an older dog through a rescue but as I talked to a couple dog owners who know of my fear, they suggested that a puppy may be a better option because I can basically mold it and be able to correct behaviors from the onset instead of battling to correct a behavior that the dog has been doing for years. Also, a dog from a rescue may come with baggage that a first time owner, particularly one who was afraid of dogs, may not be capable of handling.

Again, thank you guys for your very honest and helpful feedback.
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Wow thank you guys for your quick and very detailed responses.

From the very good points you guys brought up, it seems like maybe a yorkie may not be the best choice for a recovering phobic (not sure if that's even a word lol). That's kind of sad because I've gotten so into the breed.

I see that a couple of you suggested a Maltese as a better option. From what you guys have said they are generally more laid back and less high maintenance. That is another breed I was considering actually so I will look further into that. Any other suggestions?

Also, DvlshAngel985, you mentioned the puppy vs adult thing. I originally had intentions of getting an older dog through a rescue but as I talked to a couple dog owners who know of my fear, they suggested that a puppy may be a better option because I can basically mold it and be able to correct behaviors from the onset instead of battling to correct a behavior that the dog has been doing for years. Also, a dog from a rescue may come with baggage that a first time owner, particularly one who was afraid of dogs, may not be capable of handling.

Again, thank you guys for your very honest and helpful feedback.
You need to know that most yorkies have very strong personalities and can be very stubborn. I really think you need to have a very strong, loving, and confident manner, when training yorkie puppies. Most go through a phase, where they test you and without proper and correct training can become aggressive. They can be very stubborn throughout their lives. So, if you have a phobia, just be very thoughtful about whether or not you are up to training a yorkie that may have a very strong personality. Good luck!
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You need to know that most yorkies have very strong personalities and can be very stubborn. I really think you need to have a very strong, loving, and confident manner, when training yorkie puppies. Most go through a phase, where they test you and without proper and correct training can become aggressive. They can be very stubborn throughout their lives. So, if you have a phobia, just be very thoughtful about whether or not you are up to training a yorkie that may have a very strong personality. Good luck!
That's why I think an older, and I don't mean 5+ years, would be better for some. I know yorkie puppies or the idea of a puppy all together is exciting and really cute, but an older pup, 11+ months, might be a better choice.

Me, I am a first time dog owner. I think I've read on this thread that first time dog owners shouldn't get yorkies because of their strong will, oopsie! I had volunteered at the SPCA for a while. I bathed and "trained" dogs there but it doesn't compare to actually having a dog in my home. Kaji was exactly 12 months when he came to me. He was ready to be neutered (growth plates closed), potty trained, well mannered, no nipping, no teething, no testing. I knew what I was getting with him because he had grown into his mellow personality. He is a little love bug, and a little love bug he's always been. He is a scaredy cat, to the extreme! But, he's from a breeder, so that goes to show you even dogs from breeders can have issues. He was easy to train to my routine; and like with any dog whether baby, adult, or senior, I had to get to know him and his quirks.

Not all rescues have issues. Some are owner surrenders because of a new baby, because they are moving, they lost their home, etc., etc., etc.
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Wow thank you guys for your quick and very detailed responses.

From the very good points you guys brought up, it seems like maybe a yorkie may not be the best choice for a recovering phobic (not sure if that's even a word lol). That's kind of sad because I've gotten so into the breed.

I see that a couple of you suggested a Maltese as a better option. From what you guys have said they are generally more laid back and less high maintenance. That is another breed I was considering actually so I will look further into that. Any other suggestions?

Also, DvlshAngel985, you mentioned the puppy vs adult thing. I originally had intentions of getting an older dog through a rescue but as I talked to a couple dog owners who know of my fear, they suggested that a puppy may be a better option because I can basically mold it and be able to correct behaviors from the onset instead of battling to correct a behavior that the dog has been doing for years. Also, a dog from a rescue may come with baggage that a first time owner, particularly one who was afraid of dogs, may not be capable of handling.

Again, thank you guys for your very honest and helpful feedback.
A Maltese may be more laid back, but the grooming is the same as a yorkie, all long hair dogs have more grooming needs as opposed to the short hair breeds. It need not be more than a few minutes a day with the proper haircut, and this can be done every couple of months. Grooming can be one-to-one time. I have to disagree with your friends who think you can mold a puppy. I mean maybe if you are "The Dog Whispere, but the average owner doesn't know enough to outsmart the yorkie. Puppies have sharp teeth as opposed to adult dogs, and they do nip and chew on hands, this is annoying to someone who's been around dogs, but it could be terrifying to a phobic. You get scared; they get scared, and will react with more adrenaline.
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