shipping?

[Tessa Arnold]

How do you guys feel about about shipping Yorkies? I feel it is inhumame. In the unlikely event I was a breeder, shipping would mean hand delivery by me who holds the baby on the plane. I never again want to see on this site another person who ships dogs. They should be kicked off. It is so wrong on so many levels. If you agree with shipping them and think its safe, don't even bother posting here cause there will be no responce from me. I think of my Yorkies as my children and would never cage them and ship them off. I am so mad about this issue I could drop a few F bombs, but I won't cause i don't wanna get kicked off. So to all the shipper supporters I say a bunch of F-Bombs and don't talk to me. I don't say alot on here but when I do, I am passionate about it.

[shodanusmc]

I had to ship my large Cane Corso, but for a Yorkie or small dog, I would fly and bring her/him back with us. There is also Pet Airlines that caters to Shipping Dogs. Has a Attendent, and she watches them, and unloads them. I do understand your concern. I flew to pick out Carlo, but he was not ready to travel as he was not the required age. When he was, he would not fit under the seat, and I was not about to drive 3800 miles round trip, but he arrived in great shape, clean, and goofy. Maxine the Yorkie flew back with my wife, first class!

[veggienut]

Shipping Sounds like a scam if you ever see anyone shipping~! They want your money but who knows if you will ever get the puppy. If you do, it may not be what you expected in the ad.

[Rhetts_mama]

I don't believe in shipping pups, either. As a buyer, it would concern me that a breeder would send their dog cross country in the bottom of a plane and never want to meet me.

Dogs aren't cargo.

[shodanusmc]

Does anyone have the mortality rates on Dog Shipping? Now I know this is the Yorkie Board, but how would I get a Champion Hog Catching Dogo from the best Breeder in Argentina to the US to hunt with? He has shipped out the best stock all over the world, not to everyone, and very selective. Not one mishap. I guess it depends on the size and breed. SInce I am not a breeder, I may be off base here, but, that is me. I someday may also get a terrific Corso from a family I know in Italy that has the best. Again, how would I get him here? Too large to fly under the seat. Heck,when we do fly with Maxine we get mean looks from the flight attendants because she is always out of the bag on our lap.

[Ashley V]

I understand that you are passionate about this situation, but saying some of the things you did is offensive... saying you drop "F-bombs" to the people that agree with shipping is a little much. I think using the "F word" and cursing is wrong, as well as smoking and drinking, but I'm not going to go around telling people what to do. It's a matter of opinion. Making a point and sharing your opinion to help someone and to inform them of a better way is one thing, but to just come off like you are right and everyone else is wrong, doesn't solve anything.

I personally wouldn't want a dog I'm purchasing to be shipped because I want to be able to see the breeder, where the dog is coming from, etc., but there are airlines that are specific to shipping animals. There are safer ways of doing it if it needs to be done. I personally wouldn't want to ship my dogs, especially without me being there because I don't trust anyone with my dogs and because Smokey has anxiety issues... he would freak out... my dogs aren't going anywhere unless it's in a car.

[Rhetts_mama]

Originally Posted by shodanusmc

Does anyone have the mortality rates on Dog Shipping? Now I know this is the Yorkie Board, but how would I get a Champion Hog Catching Dogo from the best Breeder in Argentina to the US to hunt with? He has shipped out the best stock all over the world, not to everyone, and very selective. Not one mishap. I guess it depends on the size and breed. SInce I am not a breeder, I may be off base here, but, that is me. I someday may also get a terrific Corso from a family I know in Italy that has the best. Again, how would I get him here? Too large to fly under the seat. Heck,when we do fly with Maxine we get mean looks from the flight attendants because she is always out of the bag on our lap.

There was a link to an article that talked about mortality rates among shipped dogs, but I can't find it right now. The overall rate wasn't huge, and some breeds (especially bracheocephalic dogs) were more prone to succumbing than others. Some airlines also had better track records than others.

Obviously, there are going to be times when flying in a dog is necessary (out of the US as you proposed). But for the vast majority of pet owners, there are alternatives. "Shipping available" shouldn't be a selling point, IMO. One isn't ordering a pair of shoes out of a catalog when they are buying a pet.

I'll also admit I am biased. When moving cross country, I paid for my dad to fly out to where I was and drive my car to GA with my dogs so I wouldn't have to ship them. I wasn't going to put my dogs through that stress. They had a great time with him (and gained quite a bit of weight during the 4 day drive).

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Tessa Arnold

How do you guys feel about about shipping Yorkies? I feel it is inhumame. In the unlikely event I was a breeder, shipping would mean hand delivery by me who holds the baby on the plane. I never again want to see on this site another person who ships dogs. They should be kicked off. It is so wrong on so many levels. If you agree with shipping them and think its safe, don't even bother posting here cause there will be no responce from me. I think of my Yorkies as my children and would never cage them and ship them off. I am so mad about this issue I could drop a few F bombs, but I won't cause i don't wanna get kicked off. So to all the shipper supporters I say a bunch of F-Bombs and don't talk to me. I don't say alot on here but when I do, I am passionate about it.

Well, my goodness ! So, is there anything else we can do here to accommodate who may/may not talk to you on this site - or - who may/may not post on this thread; also, is there any other group of people here you would like to judge in totality ? Please excuse the sarcasm, but really .

Your first sentence asks to start a discussion. A few sentences later, you're telling the forum to only post if they support your opinion. Please allow me to clarify that ALL members are welcome to post on this thread.

As part of the discussion, let me add my perspective. Do I support 'shipping'? Well, it depends. What kind of 'shipping'?

I was able to pick up, in person, my first 2 yorkies. My 3rd kiddo, Pfeiffer, is from a wonderful member here (TammyJM), who lives in another state. Pfeiffer was lovingly flown, IN the cabin with another wonderful member here (LuvMySissy), who brought her to me at the airport - my first vision of LuvMySissy and Pfeiffer was them coming thru the security area and Pfeiffer was all tucked inside LMS's jacket - all cuddled in. So, that's my experience of 'shipping'. And it was nothing but positive .

I believe Michael Vick's horribly abused dogs were flown from his house of torture, to the Best Friends Animal Society in Utah. Was that wrong? Imo, no...BFAS was the place they needed to be; otherwise, they'd have likely been put down.

Rescue dogs are *sometimes* flown via cargo. Is that wrong? In some cases, it can be the right decision.

So, what do I think of shipping dogs via cargo? I'm not a fan of cargo, unless there is a VERY good reason/need to do it.

If you happen to be lucky enough to fly your kiddos around whenever you like, then I commend your luck and your ability to maintain a singular view.

Good breeders do not ship their pups willy-nilly. By definition, they'd do everything possible to do the opposite.

[jencar98]

Originally Posted by Tessa Arnold

How do you guys feel about about shipping Yorkies? I feel it is inhumame. In the unlikely event I was a breeder, shipping would mean hand delivery by me who holds the baby on the plane. I never again want to see on this site another person who ships dogs. They should be kicked off. It is so wrong on so many levels. If you agree with shipping them and think its safe, don't even bother posting here cause there will be no responce from me. I think of my Yorkies as my children and would never cage them and ship them off. I am so mad about this issue I could drop a few F bombs, but I won't cause i don't wanna get kicked off. So to all the shipper supporters I say a bunch of F-Bombs and don't talk to me. I don't say alot on here but when I do, I am passionate about it.

WOWZA......with your passion, we need to get you involved in puppymill legislation...IMO, puppymills are much more despicable than dog shipping. And...actually that is what most of the bad dog shippers are - puppymill operators. They are the ones that will ship a dog anytime of year, in cargo, without respect to the dogs health or well being. Yorkies shipped by respected breeders are normally shipped only with an escort and I have no problem with that.

[LDMomma]

I'm not a fan of shipping. Any time I've purchased a new pet, I've driven to go pick them up from their home state. My latest addition, Roxy (Westie), the breeder was going to drive her to me because she doesn't like to ship. I ended up driving to get her and the breeder met me 3 hours from her house. Roxy came from Illinois. I have another from Kentucky. My remaining two came from about an hour away from me (one bad breeder and the other a rescue), so we just picked them up.

[concretegurl]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Well, my goodness ! So, is there anything else we can do here to accommodate who may/may not talk to you on this site - or - who may/may not post on this thread; also, is there any other group of people here you would like to judge in totality ? Please excuse the sarcasm, but really .

Your first sentence asks to start a discussion. A few sentences later, you're telling the forum to only post if they support your opinion. Please allow me to clarify that ALL members are welcome to post on this thread.

As part of the discussion, let me add my perspective. Do I support 'shipping'? Well, it depends. What kind of 'shipping'?

I was able to pick up, in person, my first 2 yorkies. My 3rd kiddo, Pfeiffer, is from a wonderful member here (TammyJM), who lives in another state. Pfeiffer was lovingly flown, IN the cabin with another wonderful member here (LuvMySissy), who brought her to me at the airport - my first vision of LuvMySissy and Pfeiffer was them coming thru the security area and Pfeiffer was all tucked inside LMS's jacket - all cuddled in. So, that's my experience of 'shipping'. And it was nothing but positive .

I believe Michael Vick's horribly abused dogs were flown from his house of torture, to the Best Friends Animal Society in Utah. Was that wrong? Imo, no...BFAS was the place they needed to be; otherwise, they'd have likely been put down.

Rescue dogs are *sometimes* flown via cargo. Is that wrong? In some cases, it can be the right decision.

So, what do I think of shipping dogs via cargo? I'm not a fan of cargo, unless there is a VERY good reason/need to do it.

If you happen to be lucky enough to fly your kiddos around whenever you like, then I commend your luck and your ability to maintain a singular view.

Good breeders do not ship their pups willy-nilly. By definition, they'd do everything possible to do the opposite.

Thanks for the moderation. I wonder how she feels about people whom have used shipping but don't "support it" wonder if having done so qualifies for support? Anyways I'm throwing my two cents in here. I've done it-got lucky there were no issues with the shipping, but I don't think I'd do it again or recommend it. I went to a local breeder (for a miniature schnauzer)-she had since retired I trusted her, her advice and recommendations, she advised me to a list of breeders she used before. I spoke to one in Washington whom I met later when she visited California. She didn't plan any litter for what or when I was looking to add a puppy so she recommended another kennel whom had also bee recommended to me by the first breeder-I found a pup from them about 6 months later after having went through their adoption process-the pup was flown to me as she came from 7 states over. Princess is a dream come true I recommend her kennel to anyone-she was bred for health and temperament just as was assured to me in referral and from her kennel. I had been looking for a "Teapot" Parti Yorkie for about 3 years and happened to find one at the same time. I adopted him when 2 years old as I knew he would be fully grown and had been assured to his health and temperament, he had supposedly just gotten too large to breed in the breeders program so she needed to re-home him-although I hadn't met this breeder or been personally recommended to use her, but her version of the situation seemed reasonable and he was exactly what I had been looking for for awhile-BIG MISTAKE-Elvis came in minimal health, with flea pooh on him, worms, impacted anal glads, bad teeth etc a month after being with me he had a cluster seizure episode, his papers and vet records never arrived with him as they were guaranteed to-so I had one great experience and one well you live and learn and tell everyone about it to save them from the mistake.
Here's my comment on a similar post-discussing what I did in shipping and my experience, I think despite not wanting to do it again and not actually having a "bad" shipping experience I did things in a responsible way, I was shocked though to learn that what I thought would be an industry standard is actually the "5 star" or "above and beyond service standard" that was what shocked me. "I actually paid twice the normal pet shipping to have my dogs put on the shortest possible flights that only had one layover and had to pay an airport contracting kennel to take my dogs out, potty them,walk them, feed them, clean their kennels and then stick them back on the plane after making sure they were safe and comfortable (it was a couple hundred more for the kennel service)...that was worth it since I couldn't find anyone to fly with them, my dogs actually ended up on the same flight from Texas to California and were taken care of by the kennel attendant together so they met before I met them. I'm not sure I'd get another dog without actually getting them myself, but I'm so pleased and highly recommend one of the kennels, even though it is a few thousand miles form me."

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Well, my goodness ! So, is there anything else we can do here to accommodate who may/may not talk to you on this site - or - who may/may not post on this thread; also, is there any other group of people here you would like to judge in totality ? Please excuse the sarcasm, but really .

Your first sentence asks to start a discussion. A few sentences later, you're telling the forum to only post if they support your opinion. Please allow me to clarify that ALL members are welcome to post on this thread.

As part of the discussion, let me add my perspective. Do I support 'shipping'? Well, it depends. What kind of 'shipping'?

I was able to pick up, in person, my first 2 yorkies. My 3rd kiddo, Pfeiffer, is from a wonderful member here (TammyJM), who lives in another state. Pfeiffer was lovingly flown, IN the cabin with another wonderful member here (LuvMySissy), who brought her to me at the airport - my first vision of LuvMySissy and Pfeiffer was them coming thru the security area and Pfeiffer was all tucked inside LMS's jacket - all cuddled in. So, that's my experience of 'shipping'. And it was nothing but positive .

I believe Michael Vick's horribly abused dogs were flown from his house of torture, to the Best Friends Animal Society in Utah. Was that wrong? Imo, no...BFAS was the place they needed to be; otherwise, they'd have likely been put down.

Rescue dogs are *sometimes* flown via cargo. Is that wrong? In some cases, it can be the right decision.

So, what do I think of shipping dogs via cargo? I'm not a fan of cargo, unless there is a VERY good reason/need to do it.

If you happen to be lucky enough to fly your kiddos around whenever you like, then I commend your luck and your ability to maintain a singular view.

Good breeders do not ship their pups willy-nilly. By definition, they'd do everything possible to do the opposite.

Great post!

[Tessa Arnold]

Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

Well, my goodness ! So, is there anything else we can do here to accommodate who may/may not talk to you on this site - or - who may/may not post on this thread; also, is there any other group of people here you would like to judge in totality ? Please excuse the sarcasm, but really .

Your first sentence asks to start a discussion. A few sentences later, you're telling the forum to only post if they support your opinion. Please allow me to clarify that ALL members are welcome to post on this thread.

As part of the discussion, let me add my perspective. Do I support 'shipping'? Well, it depends. What kind of 'shipping'?

I was able to pick up, in person, my first 2 yorkies. My 3rd kiddo, Pfeiffer, is from a wonderful member here (TammyJM), who lives in another state. Pfeiffer was lovingly flown, IN the cabin with another wonderful member here (LuvMySissy), who brought her to me at the airport - my first vision of LuvMySissy and Pfeiffer was them coming thru the security area and Pfeiffer was all tucked inside LMS's jacket - all cuddled in. So, that's my experience of 'shipping'. And it was nothing but positive .

I believe Michael Vick's horribly abused dogs were flown from his house of torture, to the Best Friends Animal Society in Utah. Was that wrong? Imo, no...BFAS was the place they needed to be; otherwise, they'd have likely been put down.

Rescue dogs are *sometimes* flown via cargo. Is that wrong? In some cases, it can be the right decision.

So, what do I think of shipping dogs via cargo? I'm not a fan of cargo, unless there is a VERY good reason/need to do it.

If you happen to be lucky enough to fly your kiddos around whenever you like, then I commend your luck and your ability to maintain a singular view.

Good breeders do not ship their pups willy-nilly. By definition, they'd do everything possible to do the opposite.

Sorry ya'll, lack of sleep caused me to be irrational. I do appoligize.

[Tessa Arnold]

Originally Posted by jencar98

WOWZA......with your passion, we need to get you involved in puppymill legislation...IMO, puppymills are much more despicable than dog shipping. And...actually that is what most of the bad dog shippers are - puppymill operators. They are the ones that will ship a dog anytime of year, in cargo, without respect to the dogs health or well being. Yorkies shipped by respected breeders are normally shipped only with an escort and I have no problem with that.

I don't have a problem with shipping with an escort either, its the shipping in the cargo area that I am upset about. Some people just really don't care. You do not know whats going on down there. Its really sad.

[Wylie's Mom]

Originally Posted by Tessa Arnold

Sorry ya'll, lack of sleep caused me to be irrational. I do appoligize.

From one insomniac to another. I hear ya !

{btw, it wasn't irrational, imo }