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09-19-2010, 09:21 PM | #1 |
YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Washington
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| Biewer question This has probably been asked and answered, if so, ignore...but after reading some of the posts on biewers I still don't understand it all. If one has a AKC reg. Yorkie and breeds it with another AKC Yorkie and both have the recessive gene and thus produce biewer pups wouldn't those pups still be registerable with the AKC? And short of that happening how would one know they have a Yorkie with that gene? Are there signs?...such as one of my Yorkies has one back toenail that has remained white, other than that she looks like every other Yorkie (other than she's a cotton coat I believe). I would never breed her as she isn't "to standard" in my opinion and despite being 5 pounds she's very "tiny" in her stature, etc (in fact we're planning on having her spayed next month), but anyway, the point to bring her up is that she has that one toenail and I was wondering what's up with that. I have heard they can have those as puppies but she's now 14 months old and just got over her first heat (the vet wanted to wait to spay until she had her first heat, and finally it came) Maybe with such a late first heat she's immature and the nail will darken with time or does she have that recessive gene?? Sorry to ramble, but I find this all interesting and would like to know more about this and haven't read anywhere on YT about people who have had biewers pop up and now realize their standard Yorkie had visible "signs". Kendra |
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09-20-2010, 03:27 AM | #2 | |
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Well, I can't help you on the one white tonail , sorry, although I have "Carriers" which are traditionally colored yorkies but they carry the "white spotting gene" and none of their toenails are white.. they look just like the traditionally colored yorkie and you would not know the difference.. One thing I CAN help you with however is that two AKC yorkies will NOT produce a Biewer.. they could produce a Parti Yorkie if they BOTH "carry" for it.. however, the name BIEWER is a specific line of tri colored yorkies from Germany.. their pedigrees need to go back to specific dogs and the Biewers are not registered with AKC.. if your Yorkies are registered with AKC, they would not trace back to the Biewer lines. One other thing, BOTH parents would have to carry the white spotting gene before you would get a Parti (or a Biewer) puppy.. unless you were fortunate (or unfortunate depending on what your looking for) enough to have two dogs with this recessive gene, the best you would get would be carriers. Hope that helps you. -Diana
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09-20-2010, 05:04 AM | #3 | |
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09-20-2010, 06:58 AM | #4 |
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| As usual Diana...clear and to the point. Hans LOVES that Espana shampoo & conditioner, especially the leave-in! |
09-20-2010, 07:48 AM | #5 |
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| Thanks everybody.. I know sometimes these discussions can get a bit confusing.. but really, it's a simple thing. (at least in my cluttered brain..LOL) So glad Hans is enjoying the shampoo.. I'm really sold on the stuff.. use it on ALL of us.. no need to buy anything else. It's really helped to strengthen my hair and keep the tangles and snarls down too. -Diana
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09-20-2010, 09:09 AM | #6 |
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| Thanks for explaining that. Sorry I didn't realize the biewer was considered "not a Yorkie" --- I read some posts on that, but then other contradicting posts so I was unsure. Still would be interesting to know if there was subtle signs a dog was a carrier, at least for breeders who did not want that to crop up. I suppose it could pop up any time. Thanks again, all very interesting. Kendra |
09-20-2010, 10:19 AM | #7 | |
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Some view the Biewer as a yorkie, some view it as a breed of it's own.. whatever the case, the BIEWER name is a very specific LINE of tri colored yorkies.. to be classified as a Biewer, the dogs have to trace back to Mr. Biewers lines.. other Yorkies, be they AKC or German yorkies have been added INTO the lines in the past, but in the end, eventually, the ped's need to go back to the Biewers.. Since the AKC does not at the present time recognize the Beiwers.. no Biewers will come from AKC registered yorkies.. Parti's are recognized by the AKC, they can be registered with them but not shown. You could get a Parti colored yorkie out of two AKC registered yorkies IF they both carried the white spotting gene. As far as I know, there is no way to tell by looking at MOST carriers if they carry the gene, the traditional color is dominate and will be the color expressed. The only way to know is to look at the pedigrees and know what you are breeding. There are people selling puppies with white toes or white chests as Parti carriers.. this is not necessarily the case.. only the pedigree will tell the tale. Again, knowing what you are breeding, knowing the pedigrees, knowing your breeeder and knowing what's been produced in the past are your best tools if you are looking for a specific thing.. be it color, conformation, structure or health. There is just no substitute for a good, honest breeder. Diana
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