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Old 10-20-2005, 06:16 AM   #1
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I got my Silk from a breeder back in March. I love the breeder that I got her from and she was sold to me because she was going to be to small to show. When I picked her up she was very shy and was afraid of me. Anyways she has come out of her shell but I cannot potty train her. I got her when she was already 1 1/2years old. She had a doggie door and went on pads at the breeders house. she was not fixed yet so shortly after getting her I had her fixed. Anyways I have tried everything possible to try and potty train her. She does great but i have to command her to potty outside and sometimes after I take her out she still manages to sneak off and pee. I have a very open house and it is difficult to block off rooms. I don't think it is fair to keep her locked in a room or kennel all the time. I am exhausted trying to watch her so she won't pee in the house. She if hyper and runs around all the time and does not sit still very often. I emailed the breeder this week after she ran upstairs and went pee right after I had let her in from being outside. I don't think I can take it anymore and told the breeder in needed to bring her back. she was very understanding and said that she would replace her with a puppy. Now I feel so guilty and confused. I don't know what else to do to potty train her. I have a male and did not have these problems with him but i did get him as a pup and not an adult. advise please.
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Aww, I'm sorry you are having a hard time with her. I know this must be a difficult decision for you.

This is only a suggestion and you may already be doing this... but when you take her outside to potty, keep her on a leash so you know where she is and at what moment she does her business. Talk to her the whole time and tell her to "go potty" or whatever phrase you use to get the deed done. Then as soon as she is finished, praise her (of course) and take her back inside. Maybe even take her outside alone so there isn't anyone to distract her.

I still have a hard time with Mia sometimes, she goes outside and I think she forgets she is out there to do her business and she goes off and plays, then when she comes back inside she realizes "hey, I need to go!"
I have been making sure I tell her as soon as I take her out to "go potty, go potty" after that business is done, she is free to play! It's like she just needs a little reminder of what she is out there for.
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Yorkies are known to be more difficult with potty training, so you're not alone. Have you thought about diapers for her?
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I have used the diaper thing and it works great! It's like changing a baby (several times a day). I think the smaller the Yorkie is the harder it is to potty train because they have less control over their bladders. At least that's seems to be the case in my Yorkies.
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Sometimes things just don't work out. Don't worry about making the decision to take her back. If you feel she's not right for you or you can't deal with her potty issues, then you should give her back to the breeder before she gets to attached and then maybe she can find a forever home that is more suited to her.

Don't beat yourself up about it, we know you wouldn't make this decision lightly or until you have pursued all of the avenues available to you.
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Thank you for the posts...I has been difficut decision for me. I wanted to do it awhile back and i told myself...no...give her more time and I did. And finally my husband said to me. You don't look happy. I'm not happy but i did not want to give up but I just don't think that she is the right dog for our family. I am trying not to beat myself up and I cried the whole time I told the breeder that I needed to bring her back.
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I think potty issues come along with any and every dog. Some are harder to train than others. I think it is very careless of you to give her back. It is your resposibility to take care of her regardless. Adopting an animal is a resposibility you need to uphold. My dogs (two) are still not potty trained and believe me I get frustrated and angry at times and several thoughts run through my mind but I will tell you at the end of the day they are my babies and just because I fail to learn how to properly read their body language as to when they need to go doesn't mean they aren't right for me. I must stick to the responsibility for a decision I made. I think you must keep her and love her the same way you did when you had that initial eagernes to have her. Think again about your decisions.
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Yorkies are known to be more difficult with potty training, so you're not alone. Have you thought about diapers for her?
Yes..I did the diaper thing for 3months and she just continued to pee in the diaper. So is she really learning not to use the bathroom in the house? I did not want her to have to wear a diaper forever.
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I think potty issues come along with any and every dog. Some are harder to train than others. I think it is very careless of you to give her back. It is your resposibility to take care of her regardless. Adopting an animal is a resposibility you need to uphold. My dogs (two) are still not potty trained and believe me I get frustrated and angry at times and several thoughts run through my mind but I will tell you at the end of the day they are my babies and just because I fail to learn how to properly read their body language as to when they need to go doesn't mean they aren't right for me. I must stick to the responsibility for a decision I made. I think you must keep her and love her the same way you did when you had that initial eagernes to have her. Think again about your decisions.
That is you opinion...I know what I can live with and what I can't. And you are not me. I don't believe that I am careless. I have taken into consideration alot of factors other than her being unable to be potty trained. My family is behind me on my decision and that is all that matters to me. I have read, I have tried training classes, and I have been very patient and it just might be that she will not forget her first home, where she was basically able to pee where ever she wanted.
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I think potty issues come along with any and every dog. Some are harder to train than others. I think it is very careless of you to give her back. It is your resposibility to take care of her regardless. Adopting an animal is a resposibility you need to uphold. My dogs (two) are still not potty trained and believe me I get frustrated and angry at times and several thoughts run through my mind but I will tell you at the end of the day they are my babies and just because I fail to learn how to properly read their body language as to when they need to go doesn't mean they aren't right for me. I must stick to the responsibility for a decision I made. I think you must keep her and love her the same way you did when you had that initial eagernes to have her. Think again about your decisions
I don't agree with that at all. I always hate to give up an animal once I've brought it home, and I adopt and rescue lots of different animals.

Sometimes they just don't work out, if you are unhappy that will be felt by the dog. I'm sure the breeder will find someone who is more suited to her and maybe is set up for her potty needs different than you are.

If you have exhausted all of the avenues available to you and you still can't deal with the problem it is ok to give her back, do not let anyone tell you otherwise, of course you wanted to make it work but you will just get more frustrated and aggravated with her and then you may start to resent her. This isn't good for anyone. You have made the right decision.
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It seems to me she is pee pad trained by the previous owner. She is used to pee in the breeder's house on a pad. She might not understand that when you take her outside, you want her to do her business. It takes a lot of patience and work to potty train older dog (it is possible).

A friend of mine rescued a small mutt when he was 1 year old. He was also pee pad trained but she wants him to do his business outside. She said it takes a lot of patience to finally get him to potty train. She puts him in the crate for 1st 2 weeks when she got him. Every morning at 7 a.m., she'll take him outside and put a pad on the ground and wait till he pee or poo before she takes him in. She'll feed him and after his meal, she'll take him outside for a walk. Before they go inside the house, she'll put a pad on the ground and tell him "go potty". Again, she waits till he did his business, then they go inside the house. She'll let him walk around the kitchen/family area for an hour (that's the time when she eats her breakfast and read her newspaper). After that, she will put him in the crate for 3-4 hours (maximum). She'll take him out again and tell him "go potty". Once he is done with his business, if the weather permits, she will play with him in her yard for a while. Of course, after playing, she makes sure he pees before she let him in the house. Then he is the crate for another few hours. She usually feed him around 6 p.m. (her dinner time too), after his meal, she'll take him outside for a walk again and she repeats the same routine. At around 10 p.m., she'll take him outside for his last business. Then he sleeps in his crate till morning. She did this routine (putting the pee pad on the ground for 2 weeks), then she gradually reduce the pee pads. She said after the 2nd week, he knows once he is outside, he is suppose to do his business. He has been with her for 6 months now. She has reduced his time in the crate shorter and she also leave a pee pad near the door in case he needs to go. So far, he has not had any accident in the house.

I told her about your situation, she said a lot of people thinks it is hard to train older dogs but she said if the dog is 1 or 2 years old, he/she can still learn. However, if the dog is 8 or 9 years old, then it is harder. So there is still hope for your dog. She said it just needs lots of patience if you want to change their habit. However, she said if you love the dog so much, you'll want to take the time to train her rather than giving her back to the breeder. She said you'll also need to spend the same time to train a puppy. The process is the same except you just take the puppy outside and not putting the pad on the ground. She said in fact you need to take puppy outside more often than a grown dog.

Dogs like routine, as long as you repeat the routine with them, they will feel secure and they'll learn fast. Moreover, they don't just pee and poo without showing us signals. The times when they pee are : 1) wake up 2) after a meal, 3) after you play with them. Most grown up dogs only poo once or twice a day (depends how often you feed them). So, if you know their timing, just take the dog out during those time.

My suggestion is if you have the time to train her to do outside, try my friend's suggestion, if you don't have the time, then let her do her business on the pee pad (her old method). Well, I guess if you don't have the pee pad method, then the last option will be give her back to the breeder.

My friend and I hope the above method will help you.
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It seems to me she is pee pad trained by the previous owner. She is used to pee in the breeder's house on a pad. She might not understand that when you take her outside, you want her to do her business. It takes a lot of patience and work to potty train older dog (it is possible).

A friend of mine rescued a small mutt when he was 1 year old. He was also pee pad trained but she wants him to do his business outside. She said it takes a lot of patience to finally get him to potty train. She puts him in the crate for 1st 2 weeks when she got him. Every morning at 7 a.m., she'll take him outside and put a pad on the ground and wait till he pee or poo before she takes him in. She'll feed him and after his meal, she'll take him outside for a walk. Before they go inside the house, she'll put a pad on the ground and tell him "go potty". Again, she waits till he did his business, then they go inside the house. She'll let him walk around the kitchen/family area for an hour (that's the time when she eats her breakfast and read her newspaper). After that, she will put him in the crate for 3-4 hours (maximum). She'll take him out again and tell him "go potty". Once he is done with his business, if the weather permits, she will play with him in her yard for a while. Of course, after playing, she makes sure he pees before she let him in the house. Then he is the crate for another few hours. She usually feed him around 6 p.m. (her dinner time too), after his meal, she'll take him outside for a walk again and she repeats the same routine. At around 10 p.m., she'll take him outside for his last business. Then he sleeps in his crate till morning. She did this routine (putting the pee pad on the ground for 2 weeks), then she gradually reduce the pee pads. She said after the 2nd week, he knows once he is outside, he is suppose to do his business. He has been with her for 6 months now. She has reduced his time in the crate shorter and she also leave a pee pad near the door in case he needs to go. So far, he has not had any accident in the house.

I told her about your situation, she said a lot of people thinks it is hard to train older dogs but she said if the dog is 1 or 2 years old, he/she can still learn. However, if the dog is 8 or 9 years old, then it is harder. So there is still hope for your dog. She said it just needs lots of patience if you want to change their habit. However, she said if you love the dog so much, you'll want to take the time to train her rather than giving her back to the breeder. She said you'll also need to spend the same time to train a puppy. The process is the same except you just take the puppy outside and not putting the pad on the ground. She said in fact you need to take puppy outside more often than a grown dog.

Dogs like routine, as long as you repeat the routine with them, they will feel secure and they'll learn fast. Moreover, they don't just pee and poo without showing us signals. The times when they pee are : 1) wake up 2) after a meal, 3) after you play with them. Most grown up dogs only poo once or twice a day (depends how often you feed them). So, if you know their timing, just take the dog out during those time.

My suggestion is if you have the time to train her to do outside, try my friend's suggestion, if you don't have the time, then let her do her business on the pee pad (her old method). Well, I guess if you don't have the pee pad method, then the last option will be give her back to the breeder.

My friend and I hope the above method will help you.
Thanks, I do love Silk and I do not want to give her back so let me tell you what I have been doing everyday since I got her. First I put pads down but she never used them...for just incase.
Every morning we get up at 6am after sleeping in a kennel. First we go outside to pee and poop. Silk always had to poop first thing. We don't come back into the house unless we pee and poop. I give her and Remmy fresh food and water. She usually eats from 6am till 6:30am. Then I take her outside to pee again at 6:30am sometimes she pees sometime she don't. I try to make it that we dont come back in till she pees but I can't wait all day for her to pee. then at 7am before I get into the shower to go to work we go outside one more time. Then (this is where I could be messing up) I usually let her stay in my room if she went pee the last time, because I work and so does my husband and she is gonna have to be in the kennel from 8 till noon. So for instance this last time she went out at 7am to pee then sometime one of the kids come into my room to talk to me when I am taking a shower and out goes Silk...runs upstairs and pees. But usually after I get ready one more time she goes out. Then she is in her kennel (m-f) till noon when my husband comes home from work at lunch to let them out to go potty. She ususally poop and pee then also. Then have a little lunch. then back into the kennel until 4-5pm when we get home from work. then first thing we do is go outside to potty when we get home. Then I do not want to put her back into the kennel as she has been there all day. That is when my watching her comes in contantly watching her calling her name so I know where she is, following her around. And inbetween all that we go outside a whole lot. Sometimes yes...she goes to the door because she wants out to run around....not to potty. But if she goes to the door I always let her out and tell her to go potty so she knows that going to the door means I need to pee. we finish up around 9:30-10pm and by that time I'm ready for bed. My weekends are spent watching her from 6am till bedtime. I kennel her if I am going out. if I am going out for a short period of time we have a sunroom that we keep the dogs in with thier kennels and food and water.
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I don't have any advice. It must be very difficult to house train one that is 1.5 years old. You certainly have my sympathy. Whatever you decide I'm certain will be with the best interest of the puppy at heart. I know it must hurt a lot to have to make this sort of decision. I've only had puppies, so I can't offer any advice at all.
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I got one of my girls from my daughter when she was about 3 yrs old.
She, Sierra, was not all the way housebroken and my daughter was frustrated with her.
My daughter couldn't really devote the time and energy it takes to train them.
So, I took her, gladly. I had her sister, Chewy, so they were very used to each other. I trained mine to paper and outside. So, this is the way I finally got Sierra to get trained. I figured out when she needed to go, by watching her very carefully. When she went on the carpet, I said nothing if I didn't catch her in the act. But, if I did catch her, I'd say "no" and put her outside and told her to go potty there. But mostly, I watched when she went. Then, I knew she held it for 4-6 hours, and that's when I would take her outside, and would walk around with her, saying, "go potty", actually I would sing it to her, like a rap song.....hehe. She would always go, reluctantly at first....and then I would always praise her and when we came back in the house, I would always give them treats for going potty and tell them that is why they got their treat! They are very smart, and love lots of praise! I clap my hands, jump around, yelling "whooohooo" , etc. They love it. They are 6 years old, and I still do that all of the time! lol
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I remember the last accident Kacee had and I did see her do it and I said no bad girl naughty girl in a strong voice and then I went to get the cleaner and stuff and she stood there and watched me clean it up and all the while I was doing it I was telling her that she is supposed to go ring the bell and go outside. While I was telling her that she was looking right up into my face and watching what I was doing. I can't explain it, but I knew that she understood. I'm not the best trainer in the world, either, but I just struggle along. She hasn't had any more accidents, either. I'm so happy. She only has the run of two rooms during the day and three at night. The one at night is the bedroom and the hallway leading to it. They do get to a point where they understand, but with too much room to run in they will try to use it. It was that way with my others until they were good and housebroken which took a long time.
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