color and standard

[gaiasdaughter00]

I am curious, being new to the breed, why the YTCA says that anything other then the standard tan and black is not right for the breed, but there are TONS of people breeding the partis and what not. can anyone tell me more about this?

[anevarez]

Although I know very little about the parti's I do know that a "normal" looking yorkie can be a parti gene carrier. AKC does not recognize parti's but parti's are recognized as Biewer Yorkies in Europe. Please do a google search on Biewer yorkies. They are quite beautiful and you may get better information there.

[gaiasdaughter00]

i have seen them and read about them, i was just curious about why partis and other colors
well this is what it says on the ytca site:
The AKC Breed Standard and YTCA Code of Ethics do not recognize any
other color dogs than noted above. This includes all gold, born blue, liver
(also known as red or chocolate), and parti-colors. One of the reasons for
avoiding breeding "off-colored" Yorkies is because it could be a genetic defect
that may affect the dog's health. Some health problems can include, but aren't
limited to, severe skin problems, allergies, total hair loss and in some cases
long-term illness and/or death.
A responsible breeder will not intentionally breed for undesirable traits.
On very rare occasions, a breeder will have a puppy born with a color anomaly.
That puppy should undergo careful health screenings before being placed in a
spay/neuter (non breeding) home. A breeder should certainly never
promote these deviations as being desirable or rare.

my questions is why are breeders breeding them saying they are so special if they are not according to the ytca? i am really not trying to start any drama or anything i am just curious.

[rachelanne820]

A biewer is a separate breed than a yorkie. They were developed from a yorkie in Germany but are now considered a separate breed.

[shamrocks]

Well all Yorkies are special . I am not a breeder but I do not think that you get anymore health problems with a Golden, Parti or chocolate than you would with the black and gold. I have read that the blue ones have health problems but I think that most health problems come from bad breeding. The Parti and other Off color Yorkies are not rare you just happen to see more of the black and gold. I love all Yorkies and love all the different colors I feel that you will find responsible breeders who breed the Parti-color just as you will find irresponsible breeders who breed the standard color.

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by gaiasdaughter00

my questions is why are breeders breeding them saying they are so special if they are not according to the ytca? i am really not trying to start any drama or anything i am just curious.

The short answer is that many breeders breed to make money, they are selling dogs, not improving the breed, they don't care what the YTCA or any other breed club says, they breed for public demand, and will stop breeding when they can't sell their dogs anymore.

This is the long answer:

Every dog breed has a written standard, it just a written description of how a dog of this particular breed should look and act. What sets one breed apart from another? It's the standard, and a good breeder understands the importance of breeding to standard. I mean your dog may not have every quality of standard, but it has enough that we know what breed it is. In my opinion, a good breeder isn't breeding to just provide pets to people, they are breeding because they love the breed, and want to see that the yorkie exists in the future.

Is a yorkie still a yorkie, if it has droopy ears, is white has kinky hair and a long nose, or does it become more of a poodle? Breeds are man-made things; a good breeder picks and chooses which qualities to breed for. The yorkie coat is one of the most difficult of all the breeds to obtain, not only must it be silky and straight, it must have a complex mixture genes that produce a type of metallic black that is nothing like anything seen in the human world. This "blue" as they refer to it should have no white in it, it often looks silvery depending upon the amount of dilute genes, but there is no white in the silver, it's just the way the light reflexes from the hair. If you take two Parti's you will always produce a parti puppy, you cannot produce a standard dog, and you don't have to worry about the proper shade of metallic or is it light or dark enough, all you need is some white hair and it's a parti. Does the parti color add anything special to the breed, I don't think so, lots of people seem to like it, but a good breeder doesn't breed to satisfy the public's latest fad. I think you should always ask yourself why a breeder is breeding, what goal are they trying to accomplish? Part of the answer will be in the price of the dog, should a parti breeder demand higher prices than someone who is breeding to standard and has the added expense of showing? I don't think so, showing is terribly expensive, and if a Parti breeder were breeding because she loved the look, the dogs would be no more expensive than other pet Yorkies.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The short answer is that many breeders breed to make money, they are selling dogs, not improving the breed, they don't care what the YTCA or any other breed club says, they breed for public demand, and will stop breeding when they can't sell their dogs anymore.

This is the long answer:

Every dog breed has a written standard, it just a written description of how a dog of this particular breed should look and act. What sets one breed apart from another? It's the standard, and a good breeder understands the importance of breeding to standard. I mean your dog may not have every quality of standard, but it has enough that we know what breed it is. In my opinion, a good breeder isn't breeding to just provide pets to people, they are breeding because they love the breed, and want to see that the yorkie exists in the future.

Is a yorkie still a yorkie, if it has droopy ears, is white has kinky hair and a long nose, or does it become more of a poodle? Breeds are man-made things; a good breeder picks and chooses which qualities to breed for. The yorkie coat is one of the most difficult of all the breeds to obtain, not only must it be silky and straight, it must have a complex mixture genes that produce a type of metallic black that is nothing like anything seen in the human world. This "blue" as they refer to it should have no white in it, it often looks silvery depending upon the amount of dilute genes, but there is no white in the silver, it's just the way the light reflexes from the hair. If you take two Parti's you will always produce a parti puppy, you cannot produce a standard dog, and you don't have to worry about the proper shade of metallic or is it light or dark enough, all you need is some white hair and it's a parti. Does the parti color add anything special to the breed, I don't think so, lots of people seem to like it, but a good breeder doesn't breed to satisfy the public's latest fad. I think you should always ask yourself why a breeder is breeding, what goal are they trying to accomplish? Part of the answer will be in the price of the dog, should a parti breeder demand higher prices than someone who is breeding to standard and has the added expense of showing? I don't think so, showing is terribly expensive, and if a Parti breeder were breeding because she loved the look, the dogs would be no more expensive than other pet Yorkies.

Excellent post, Nancy!

That should be pinned somewhere IMO.

[kdreamson]

What is the difference between Biewers and parti colored yorkies? And if off colors are not the standard and seem to be frowned on why do they cost so much? I am new to the breed so I am completely uniformed.

[BamaFan121s]

Originally Posted by gaiasdaughter00

my questions is why are breeders breeding them saying they are so special if they are not according to the ytca?

Because some people do not care about adhering to the standard in regards to color.

[Ladymom]

Originally Posted by kdreamson

And if off colors are not the standard and seem to be frowned on why do they cost so much? I am new to the breed so I am completely uniformed.

Marketing! $$$$$$$

[anevarez]

I am not too familiar with Biewer or Parti yorkies - however I have past experience in bulldogs and chihuahuas. I do know that colors that do not conform to the breed standard can always be labeled as "rare" and as long as there is someone who wants to have that "rare" puppy they can sell it for a pretty penny. While considering our next family pet after the death of our Lola and the rehoming of Neiro (both Bulldogs) I looked into chihuahuas. I found an ad in the newspaper for a micro teacup chihuahua who was guaranteed to weigh between 1 1/2 lbs and 2 lbs full grown. She was "lavender" color... which was "rare" and the seller was asking $2200 for her. My first thought was FOR A CHIHUAHUA? (no offense, but you can find a very well bred chihuahua for $600 or less here) - I wanted to see this rare color and found it was a very diluted blue color. Diluted colors can have health problems - but I am not sure why. The dog also needed Nutrical frequently because of her tiny size. I also asked about papers but the lady said she kept them for all her dogs - that was my cue to run, but I asked about the prices for her normal colored chihuahuas and they were as follows - $200 for standard size, $350 for teacup size and $2200 for that rare color... a prime example of using color for profit.
Now, please know that I have no idea how parti's affect the breed - but it does bother me that people will sell for more because of a color.

[scrapindee]

[QUOTE=kdreamson;3041787]What is the difference between Biewers and parti colored yorkies? QUOTE]

Biewers have a standard to follow and can be shown in the show rings in the U.S, Canada, and Europe. The parti's can't --they are considered miscoloration by the YTCA.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by gaiasdaughter00

I am curious, being new to the breed, why the YTCA says that anything other then the standard tan and black is not right for the breed, but there are TONS of people breeding the partis and what not. can anyone tell me more about this?

Just for the record, the standard for adults is steel blue and tan according to the YTCA. Puppies are born black but later turn to steel blue. Black and tan adults are just as off colored as parti's because black coated adult yorkies lack the gene that causes their coats to turn blue. Yorkies who's coats are too light (silver and tan) are also not to standard.

[Pinehaven]

Originally Posted by anevarez

Although I know very little about the parti's I do know that a "normal" looking yorkie can be a parti gene carrier. AKC does not recognize parti's but parti's are recognized as Biewer Yorkies in Europe. Please do a google search on Biewer yorkies. They are quite beautiful and you may get better information there.

AKC does recognize and registers parti yorkies, it's YTCA that does not recognize parti, chocolate and golden ... though the YTCA doesn't say much about the black and tan and silver and tan, off colored yorkies??

AKC is a breed registry, so offspring that comes from registered parents, is eligible for registration. Off colors are not allowed to show in Conformation classes (because of the YTCA's disqualification rule) but can show in other AKC sponsored classes.

[Cerise]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

The short answer is that many breeders breed to make money, they are selling dogs, not improving the breed, they don't care what the YTCA or any other breed club says, they breed for public demand, and will stop breeding when they can't sell their dogs anymore.

This is the long answer:

Every dog breed has a written standard, it just a written description of how a dog of this particular breed should look and act. What sets one breed apart from another? It's the standard, and a good breeder understands the importance of breeding to standard. I mean your dog may not have every quality of standard, but it has enough that we know what breed it is. In my opinion, a good breeder isn't breeding to just provide pets to people, they are breeding because they love the breed, and want to see that the yorkie exists in the future.

Is a yorkie still a yorkie, if it has droopy ears, is white has kinky hair and a long nose, or does it become more of a poodle? Breeds are man-made things; a good breeder picks and chooses which qualities to breed for. The yorkie coat is one of the most difficult of all the breeds to obtain, not only must it be silky and straight, it must have a complex mixture genes that produce a type of metallic black that is nothing like anything seen in the human world. This "blue" as they refer to it should have no white in it, it often looks silvery depending upon the amount of dilute genes, but there is no white in the silver, it's just the way the light reflexes from the hair. If you take two Parti's you will always produce a parti puppy, you cannot produce a standard dog, and you don't have to worry about the proper shade of metallic or is it light or dark enough, all you need is some white hair and it's a parti. Does the parti color add anything special to the breed, I don't think so, lots of people seem to like it, but a good breeder doesn't breed to satisfy the public's latest fad. I think you should always ask yourself why a breeder is breeding, what goal are they trying to accomplish? Part of the answer will be in the price of the dog, should a parti breeder demand higher prices than someone who is breeding to standard and has the added expense of showing? I don't think so, showing is terribly expensive, and if a Parti breeder were breeding because she loved the look, the dogs would be no more expensive than other pet Yorkies.