Pinch collars for obedience training? - YorkieTalk.com Forums

alaskayorkie · 10-12-2005, 01:14 AM

Has anyone heard of these? They are metal collars with spikes that point inward. Eddie's obedience school instructor suggested that some dogs might need them, including Eddie!

I guess the idea is that they are actually better than buckle collars that dogs pull on until they choke. With these, the dogs pull less. I looked around and there were several dogs in the class using them.

Still, it seems severe to me for a Yorkie.

I'd appreciate any advice.

mustangbee · 10-12-2005, 05:22 AM

I heard of them, and I don't like them.
They are no way at any time for a Yorkie,
or any pup if you ask me.
If a trainer told me Princess needed one,
I would find a new trainer.
Good Luck.

SilverStarShado · 10-12-2005, 05:51 AM

I have seen them before..I dont like them. I think that they are cruel, even for the big dogs. But that is just my opinion.

Roxie21 · 10-12-2005, 06:05 AM

IMO- I wouldn't use one, but would love to know why the instructor feels its necessary! What is it about some dogs that pain ( not sure if it hurts but it sounds like it does) would be required for obidence?

foxontherun613 · 10-12-2005, 06:51 AM

They are called prong collars. I use them for my German Shepherd. They are great. For the small dogs you can get the "small size" (its itty bitty) and the plastic caps if you want. If you would like to see what it feels like put a large one around your leg thigh at the pet store and tug a bit. People might think you are crazy when you're doing this though.

I too thought they looked cruel at first and then did some research and bought one myself. The choke chains, are actually VERY cruel. In a study of 50 dogs with choke chains and 50 dogs with prongs, 48 of the choke chain wearing dogs died of neck complications from wearing the collars there whole lives and 2 of the prong collar wearers did, one was not related to the collar at all.. If you guys want I can dig up that study for you.

At our German Shepherd board we talk about trainers who scream at us saying how cruel they are and of course, we get new trainers. Like I said they LOOK cruel but are safer than the safe looking ones.

Lucky's Mom · 10-12-2005, 06:55 AM

I used the prong collar on my pit bull & that was the best thing ever! Because he was so strong this collar let him know that I was boss! He obey'd so good on it! But as far as a little dog like a yorkie I would never put one on them! Because their necks & trachea's are so fragile as it is I would'nt put something on it like that! One tug that's too hard & you could end up hurting them real bad! Just my opinion though!

foxontherun613 · 10-12-2005, 06:58 AM

I have heard about their trachea's and although I don't know much about it, I would be careful with that too.. Yes they work wonders on dogs, but the trachea problem would be reason for caution, with any training collar.

And the choke collars would be a BIG no no with trachea problems.

StewiesMom · 10-12-2005, 06:59 AM

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Originally Posted by alaskayorkie

Still, it seems severe to me for a Yorkie.

I'd appreciate any advice.

I think its severe for any dog. and cruel

NewYorkieMa&Pa · 10-12-2005, 07:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by alaskayorkie

Has anyone heard of these? They are metal collars with spikes that point inward. Eddie's obedience school instructor suggested that some dogs might need them, including Eddie!

I guess the idea is that they are actually better than buckle collars that dogs pull on until they choke. With these, the dogs pull less. I looked around and there were several dogs in the class using them.

Still, it seems severe to me for a Yorkie.

I'd appreciate any advice.

As a spoke person for Eddie, I would say no to the collar. I have no personal experience with them nor do I judge those who do. I think based soley on the issues that Yorkies have with collars in general, would be a good reason to not do a collar that could further complicate what is already a delicate "problem" area. Just MHO.

Please give Eddie hugs and kisses for me!!

foxontherun613 · 10-12-2005, 07:02 AM

Its not cruel! I promise! I even put one on MY neck before just because I'm so cautious with my dogs. Hahaha.

Bendless Love · 10-12-2005, 07:03 AM

I would never put anything like that on Bender. I think if you want to see what it's like, try a big one and stick in around your neck and pull...then you'll know.

foxontherun613 · 10-12-2005, 07:06 AM

You have to remember though that for dogs, their necks are VERY strong. Human necks are extremely sensitive. Thighs are better testing areas.

Though I still agree for Yorkies tracheas things, I wouldn't use them on a Yorkie.

StewiesMom · 10-12-2005, 07:09 AM

I really dislike when people differentiate between what can be abusive/cruel to a big dog and what can be abusive/cruel to a small dog. What you wouldn't do/give to a small dog, you shouldn't do/give to a big dog! botom line.

crystalsmom · 10-12-2005, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by StewiesMom

I think its severe for any dog. and cruel

StewiesMom, sorry about the loss last night.

As far as the collar goes, when I took Crystal to obedience training; people
warned me trainers are not used to these tiny ones and not to use a choke
chain. Thankfully my trainer knew I should not. While you are at home
I would put a harness on Eddy and when you start to walk him and when he pulls
JERK him back like there is no tomorrow and keep doing it until he knows
you are not walking until he learns not to pull. I think those of us who
don't have a fenced in yard or lots of space to let them run and do have
to walk them everyday, start out with this alittle sooner. Good Luck with
what ever you decide.

Hey Eddie, you didn't hear this from me!!

foxontherun613 · 10-12-2005, 07:23 AM

Its not abusive or cruel, first of all they aren't spikes. They are either flat or rounded (or like I said you can get the PLASTIC tips) second of all the dog doesn't feel it unless it tugs on the lead (you don't snap these collars). When it tugs there is very slight pressure, but not choking. Only pressure points. Choking IMO is waay worse..

And I would put it on a little dog but not if its known for neck problems. I wouldn't be confortable putting any training collar that would put stress or pressure on their necks.

Here's Mali happily wearing hers. She goes INSANE jumping around all happy knowing we are about to go somewhere when she sees it. There are two, in one pic though you cannot see it.

10-12-2005, 01:14 AM	#1
alaskayorkie Banning Thread Dictator Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anchorage Posts: 30,843 Blog Entries: 57	Pinch collars for obedience training? Has anyone heard of these? They are metal collars with spikes that point inward. Eddie's obedience school instructor suggested that some dogs might need them, including Eddie! I guess the idea is that they are actually better than buckle collars that dogs pull on until they choke. With these, the dogs pull less. I looked around and there were several dogs in the class using them. Still, it seems severe to me for a Yorkie. I'd appreciate any advice. __________________ Mike ~ Doting Dad to Jillie, Harper, Molly, Cooper, Eddie (RIP), Lucy (RIP), Rusty (RIP) and Jack (RIP). Check us out on YouTube

10-12-2005, 05:22 AM	#2
mustangbee Donating YT 9000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: North Carolina :) Posts: 10,616	I heard of them, and I don't like them. They are no way at any time for a Yorkie, or any pup if you ask me. If a trainer told me Princess needed one, I would find a new trainer. Good Luck. __________________ Friends are God's way of apologizing for our relatives. "Love & Support Our YT Members" Gina & Princess Member of the SSLS

10-12-2005, 05:51 AM	#3
SilverStarShado I Love My FurBaby! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,195	I have seen them before..I dont like them. I think that they are cruel, even for the big dogs. But that is just my opinion. __________________ Becky & Sir Yoda See ME & My PupPals HERE My YT Photo Gallery HERE *Live, Love, Be Happy*

10-12-2005, 06:05 AM	#4
Roxie21 YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 253	IMO- I wouldn't use one, but would love to know why the instructor feels its necessary! What is it about some dogs that pain ( not sure if it hurts but it sounds like it does) would be required for obidence? __________________ Che'-Lees & Roxie

10-12-2005, 06:51 AM	#5
foxontherun613 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 38	They are called prong collars. I use them for my German Shepherd. They are great. For the small dogs you can get the "small size" (its itty bitty) and the plastic caps if you want. If you would like to see what it feels like put a large one around your leg thigh at the pet store and tug a bit. People might think you are crazy when you're doing this though. I too thought they looked cruel at first and then did some research and bought one myself. The choke chains, are actually VERY cruel. In a study of 50 dogs with choke chains and 50 dogs with prongs, 48 of the choke chain wearing dogs died of neck complications from wearing the collars there whole lives and 2 of the prong collar wearers did, one was not related to the collar at all.. If you guys want I can dig up that study for you. At our German Shepherd board we talk about trainers who scream at us saying how cruel they are and of course, we get new trainers. Like I said they LOOK cruel but are safer than the safe looking ones. __________________ Caitlin PTOAGSD

10-12-2005, 06:55 AM	#6
Lucky's Mom And Lucy Too! Donating Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 1,481	I used the prong collar on my pit bull & that was the best thing ever! Because he was so strong this collar let him know that I was boss! He obey'd so good on it! But as far as a little dog like a yorkie I would never put one on them! Because their necks & trachea's are so fragile as it is I would'nt put something on it like that! One tug that's too hard & you could end up hurting them real bad! Just my opinion though!

10-12-2005, 06:58 AM	#7
foxontherun613 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 38	I have heard about their trachea's and although I don't know much about it, I would be careful with that too.. Yes they work wonders on dogs, but the trachea problem would be reason for caution, with any training collar. And the choke collars would be a BIG no no with trachea problems. __________________ Caitlin PTOAGSD

10-12-2005, 07:02 AM	#10
foxontherun613 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 38	Its not cruel! I promise! I even put one on MY neck before just because I'm so cautious with my dogs. Hahaha. __________________ Caitlin PTOAGSD

10-12-2005, 07:03 AM	#11
Bendless Love Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 148	I would never put anything like that on Bender. I think if you want to see what it's like, try a big one and stick in around your neck and pull...then you'll know.

10-12-2005, 07:06 AM	#12
foxontherun613 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 38	You have to remember though that for dogs, their necks are VERY strong. Human necks are extremely sensitive. Thighs are better testing areas. Though I still agree for Yorkies tracheas things, I wouldn't use them on a Yorkie. __________________ Caitlin PTOAGSD

10-12-2005, 07:09 AM	#13
StewiesMom Stewie Rox the Sox Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Chicago Posts: 6,306	I really dislike when people differentiate between what can be abusive/cruel to a big dog and what can be abusive/cruel to a small dog. What you wouldn't do/give to a small dog, you shouldn't do/give to a big dog! botom line. __________________ Kristy & Stewie

10-12-2005, 07:23 AM	#15
foxontherun613 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 38	Its not abusive or cruel, first of all they aren't spikes. They are either flat or rounded (or like I said you can get the PLASTIC tips) second of all the dog doesn't feel it unless it tugs on the lead (you don't snap these collars). When it tugs there is very slight pressure, but not choking. Only pressure points. Choking IMO is waay worse.. And I would put it on a little dog but not if its known for neck problems. I wouldn't be confortable putting any training collar that would put stress or pressure on their necks. Here's Mali happily wearing hers. She goes INSANE jumping around all happy knowing we are about to go somewhere when she sees it. There are two, in one pic though you cannot see it. Attached Thumbnails __________________ Caitlin PTOAGSD