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01-17-2010, 03:55 PM | #1 |
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| Biewer & Parti-Yorkie---difference? Can someone enlighten me on what the difference is between a biewer and a parti-yorkie, please. I'm just curiosity, as I just looked at a thread that had the parti yorkied and I don't know what the difference is between the two. Thanks!
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01-17-2010, 08:02 PM | #2 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member | A parti-yorkie is an akc registered yorkie that cannot be shown in the ring. A Biewer is a rare breed dog. Registered either in the U.S. or Germany. Come look at the Biewer Breed Club of America for complete information: Biewer Breed Club of America Inc. BBCA Also do a search here on YT as there has been a lot of discussion about Biewers and Partis. |
01-18-2010, 01:54 AM | #3 |
Donating YT 2000 Club Member | Here is another site Home I might be wrong but I have been told that a parti is a gentic defect. I thought about buying a parti before I bought my Biewer but wasn't sure I wanted to breed for a defect. Both are beuatiful!
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01-18-2010, 05:04 AM | #4 |
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| Thank you, this really helps. I wasn't familar with these breeds but I absolutely love the Biewer. I think if I decide to get Zhoie a companion, it will have to be a Biewer. One last question...why are they not AKC?
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01-18-2010, 06:02 AM | #5 | |
My Tiny Treasures Donating Member | LOL I don't think I'd call it a "DEFECT" The AKC classifies it as a "color fault" . Quote:
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01-18-2010, 06:03 AM | #6 | |
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The parti color is not a result of a defective, mutated or compromised gene as some genetically challenged/uneducated people have led you to believe, it's the result of a well known gene that produces white markings. You need both mother and father to carry this spotting gene in order to produce the parti color, if only one parent carries the gene they will look traditional colored. If the carrier breeds to a non carrier, all of their pups will look traditional in color but 1/2 of the litter will carry the piebald gene, the other half did not receive a copy of the gene from their parti gene carrying parent. This can go on for many, many, many years and generations and will go undiscovered until the carrier offspring is bred to another parti gene carrier ... and than SURPRISE! I am no Biewer expert ... but depending on which Biewer group you talk to, the Biewer is the same as a parti colored yorkie, in that they were produced from two traditional colored yorkshire terrier parents who both carried the parti gene. Unfortunately, this color was denied registration with their foreign kennel registry, so a club was started with their own registry, which allowed the parti colored biewers to be registered.
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01-18-2010, 06:16 AM | #7 | |
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01-18-2010, 06:18 AM | #8 |
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| So if they both carry the same gene...then whats the true difference? One is symmetrical and the other can be asymmetrical? |
01-18-2010, 06:22 AM | #9 |
My Tiny Treasures Donating Member | I am one who believes they are the same dog, only one originated in Germany and the other in the US. One has a tail one does not. |
01-18-2010, 06:27 AM | #10 |
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01-18-2010, 06:31 AM | #11 |
My Tiny Treasures Donating Member | Yup I have read some of the posts and I am sure someone can come on and tell all the details better than I, but you are right! |
01-18-2010, 07:36 AM | #12 |
Donating YT 10K Club Member | While the original breeding pairs of yorkshire terriers may have come from the same kennel....how the lines were bred afterward is vastly different. Mr Biewer selectively bred his dogs for 5 years and set the phenotype for the standard. There isn't any set standard for parti yorkies. If one is breeding to maintain the heritage of the dogs and lines...both sides of a pedigree trace back to Mr. Biewer's two original pairs...Fufu and Darling.
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01-18-2010, 07:51 AM | #13 |
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| I am not an expert by any sense at all... I have copied this from Fantasy Yorkies and Pinehaven site... just to help people understand the parti yorkies coloring... The Parti gene can only be expressed if a parti gene carrier is bred to another parti gene carrier. A carrier will look like a traditional colored Yorkie but is born with maybe some white on it's chin, chest and/or feet. In this case where a parti carrier is bred to another parti carrier, 25% of the offspring will be traditional Yorkies (not carrying the gene), 50% will be traditional colored Yorkies who do carry the recessive parti gene and 25% of the offspring will be actual Parti colored dogs. AKC has allowed Parti colored Yorkies to be eligible for registration since 2000. Prior to that time, parti colored offspring were normally given away without papers or destroyed (yes, destroyed). I know of several breeders who have destroyed a litter of "surprise" parti colored pups. The most prolific known line of Parti Yorkies is the "California line" or Nikko's line. These dogs are all descendants of an AKC Champion named Nikko's Rolls Royce Ashley. Two dedicated breeders in California, fought to get this line of Parti colored Yorkies, registered by AKC. This line of Parti carriers and Parti colored Yorkies comes from a well known show breeder who's been breeding and showing for over 40 years. Forty-two litters and generations of dogs from this line were DNA'd prior to AKC's approval of registration. The Yorkshire Terriers breed standards have changed over the years. The "Standard" color is blue and tan, any other color is considered to be "Off Standard." Until the new color disqualification rule went into effect, off standard colored, black and tan and black and gold yorkies have entered the show ring and won their champion status. Standards have changed and not only do we now have smaller sized dogs than in the late 1800's, but some of our "off standard," darker coated dogs have been allowed into the show ring. " I have bred Yorkies for many years...many times having pups born with white on the chest, up the chin and sometimes on the tips of the toes. The AKC even states that up to a certain amount of white showing is allowed on pups. So, if white is allowed in certain amounts then it goes to show that there must be the piebald gene in there. Like the other colorings...blue born pups, chocolates and goldens....they are all in there from way back when and do pop up from time to time. I think all Yorkies no matter the color or whatever people decide to call them are just beautiful!!! Just my opinion of course.... |
01-18-2010, 07:53 AM | #14 | |
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01-18-2010, 08:02 AM | #15 | |
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The original Biewer standard was also using the same standard as the yorkie except for color. For the life of me I still cannot understand how you get a whole different breed when the foundation of it is years and years of Yorkshire terrier, nothing but yorkies. Fru and Darling were Yorkshire terriers that thru a parti colored pup, The VDH denied the acceptance of the dogs as being a breed of their own. They instead designated them as being of “wrong color, not for breeding”.So he set out to find someone who would register them as a separate breed, He called them the Biewer Yorkshire Terrier A La Pom Pon He got them registered with the ACH. Even he knew they were yorkshire terriers, Just a different color. Had they been allowed registry into the VDH they would have been parti colored yorkshire terriers. Last edited by Breezeaway; 01-18-2010 at 08:03 AM. | |
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