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12-25-2009, 11:54 PM | #1 |
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| She acts like I abuse her! My puppy Emma is 7 months old and I have had her for 4 months. For the last month or so she has been acting scared of me. I have never and would never hit her, the only thing for punishment I do is fuss at her (just a little louder than usual talking and a little different tone) occasionally and maybe twice a week I try to do the "dominate" thing and hold her on her side (not pushing on her hard at all though!) if she is rough with me (sometimes she nips my bottom lip for some reason when she licks my face). I am the one in the house that does all her grooming and things she hates though, like brushing, baths, cleaning her eyes and ears,clipping, etc. Not everytime but a good percent of times I call for her, she will cower down and not want to come towards me. She looks all around like she wants to run from me. It just breaks my heart! I don't understand what I'm doing wrong. Do any of your Yorkies do this? |
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12-26-2009, 01:45 AM | #2 |
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| Read your post to find the answer why she is so afraid of you you can use a firm voice to tell her no, a loud voice is not needed IMO it is cruel to hold one down for no good reason other than to dominate her. teach her with love and it will be returned, I can't get a recliner big enough for me & mine, they all want to sit with me
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12-26-2009, 02:16 AM | #3 |
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| Sometimes Gypsy will cower down if I am trying to catch her to pick her up. Usually for example when she will not go to my office when I have to leave. She has trained herself to go to the office when I say it is time for me to go, but occasionally she will run to the kitchen and cower down when I reach down for her. Our chi will do the same thing. I def do not do the dominance side thing. I personally think that is wrong. (Just my opinion). I just think they decide they want their way at the time and they know it is wrong. Dh is the one who usu scolds them and always helps with baths and such, but they do it to me also. The chi is very shy and timid so I think that has something to do with her response.
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12-26-2009, 05:19 AM | #4 |
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| You actually are abusing her in her eyes. She doesn't trust you and you're not giving her a reason to do so. If someone 20 times your size grabbed you and held you down on your side would you want to go back for more? |
12-26-2009, 06:22 AM | #5 |
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| I think some of this is just the nature of the dog...I holler at my dogs, if they are getting way too fiesty with each other, and it sounds like it's getting out of hand...They just look up at me w/a "oh my gosh, she's off the chain, again" and stop (till the next time ) You probably only need to talk in a firm regular tone voice w/your little one...I wouldn't turn the dog on it's side for no good reason...I think walking out of the room for a few minutes, when they exhibit bad behavior is much more effective...When Apple was little, she would, constantly, be biting on me, like I was a toy, and I'd walk out, immediately...She got that pretty quickly, and stopped...I'd start w/ treats treats treats and a sweet voice of praise praise praise for any little thing she does well, so that she knows you love her, and appreciate her good behavior...Good luck, and all the best to you.... |
12-26-2009, 06:34 AM | #6 |
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| Here is a link you should read. There are many out there that advise NOT to roll a dog over. I know a lot of people think it is recommended, but it really scares a dog. You want them to respect, not fear, you! Pinning a dog on its back is fearful for them. About.com Dogs - Dog Training - Using the Alpha Roll - Alpha Rolling Your Dog I am fostering a pup right now who is around nine months of age. I taught her not to use her teeth on me by saying in a louder tone, "Ouch" every time...and also no. Then, whenever she would lick me, I would make a big fuss and praise her. It took a while, but she no longer uses her teeth! I suggest you immediately stop rolling her and do your best to get her out of this fear thing before it is permanent. Focus on positive training methods! Good luck!
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12-26-2009, 08:53 AM | #7 |
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| The Alpha roll is what is causing her to be fearful. It should only be used on adult dogs and only as a last resort to get dangerous, harmful behavior to stop. Dominence will naturally occur through normal daily activities when you feed, play, groom, train, and especially on walks. If you have an uncontrollable puppy, I would try every other method first and consult a professional and a vet. Puppies need to have their confidence and self esteem boosted. The Alpha Roll does just the opposite and only works on dogs that are too overconfident and independent. When puppies bite, act like a littermate and let out a yelp or ouch! and stop the behavior that made the bite possible. We all need limits, and when puppies get too wound up they can forget their manners. If you like the behavior, encourage it but stop her before she escalates to a bite or nip and then praise her. Puppies will learn faster by praising what they do right, and ignore (give no attention to) what they do wrong. (I do not mean 'tolerate'). 1. Kissing starts. You stop her kissing (move away)and praise her. Change activity. 2. Kissing starts. She nips, you say "ouch!" (more whinny than loud), and move away. She stops, startled. Change activity. Teaching her basic obedience (sit, stay, down, etc.) will help reinforce your dominance. Hope this helps.
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12-26-2009, 04:19 PM | #8 |
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| I honestly had no idea that was something wrong to do (laying her on her side.) My mom took her dog to an obedience class and they taught her to do that. It was explained to her as something dogs do in play everyday when another one goes out of line. Now that I think about it, the more I can see how that's not what is it. Thank you for the many great replies, there's some that were a little more harsh than needed. I obviously was doing this out of ignorance and not cruelty. Not that igorance is a good excuse but it was obvious from my post that I didn't know this was something seen so horribly by Emma when I do it to her. I have spent hours on upon hours on this site trying to do the best for her and I think that's probably one of the very few subjects I have never looked up (because an actual instructor told my mother to do it) or noticed in a thread. |
12-26-2009, 05:22 PM | #9 | |
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Hey...don't beat yourself over this. You saw something was amiss and you asked! This is how we learn. There ARE many trainers who train this way...and it is just wrong in my opinion! You found out quickly and I am SO sure you will correct it and all will be well. Good for you for being alert to your pup's feelings!!
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12-26-2009, 08:04 PM | #10 |
Donating YT 11K Club Member | Some dogs naturally have a shy/nervous personality..is that what you mean? I used to have a Yorkie Sophie that passed and she at first..when I got her was so scared of everything! She was just so nervous. I got her at 6 mos old. By the time she was 2 she was so much more outgoing and not so scared of anything anymore. In fact she became more brave, and walked with her head high because I worked on giving her confidence. I praised her constantly, when i pet her, i pet her underneath not on her head..it's little things like that and she will become more confident. Be gentle...quiet, soft around her and she will be less scared.
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12-26-2009, 08:27 PM | #11 | |
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Please, let us know how she's doing and don't feel bad the alpha roll. It is a very old technique that some trainers still use. Luckily for Emma now you know better Thank you for loving her enough to change what you can to give her a happy and wonderful life!
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12-27-2009, 12:05 PM | #12 |
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| Thank you all for the great advice!!! I have been really upset with myself about this, I'm never going to do anything with her without checking it on this site first! lol I have learned so much on here! Hopefully when I redirect her behavior differently she'll forgive me and we can both forget about it. Thank you all again! |
12-27-2009, 07:07 PM | #13 | |
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Don't beat yourself up. Everyone makes mistakes. Your dog is still young, in time you'll gain her trust again. Dogs are very forgiving. | |
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12-27-2009, 09:13 PM | #15 |
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| My Moka is also very very submissive, but I wouldn't call her cowardly. Most of my family that don't really understand dog behavior will call her a coward. She goes on doggie play dates and spends more time on her back submissing to all the dogs there that it is quite comical. The thing is, she is one of the best dogs I have ever had because she is so eager to please that training is so easy with her. She is fearful of noises and cautious of new things, when we go out, but she trusts in me and she leans on me for reassurance. Be patient, use soft but firm voices, and be very mindful of your body language. Dogs read aggressive body language very well even if you do not think you are sending that signal.
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