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10-12-2009, 07:36 AM | #1 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: St. Joseph, MO , USA
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| Is my guy too big? I would like to stud my guy 1 time for pick of the litter. We have hosted a beautiful female for the past 3 days who is full into her cycle. They play well together, he is courting her properly and she is very receptive, until he moves into position. She is ready but as soon as he tries to get on she pulls out from under him. Her owner thinks it is because he is too big. They are the same physical size but she weighs 6 pounds and he weighs 12. He is not "fat" he is solid. If you looked at him you would never guess he is that heavy. Is he too big for her?? |
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10-12-2009, 07:39 AM | #2 |
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| That sounds too big to me, but I am not a breeder. I'm sure the breeders on here will give you some great advice though.
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10-12-2009, 07:45 AM | #3 |
Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island
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| Yes he IS too big! Please do not leave these two together for breeding. That girl can get seriously hurt! He is 2x her weight |
10-12-2009, 07:57 AM | #4 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: St. Joseph, MO , USA
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| We have not left them alone for a minute. The vet thought they would be ok. He is a small breed vet and walked us through how to help them and support her so neither of them would get hurt. We have decided to just listen to her she is obviously telling us she is not happy about his weight. It is just a shame they both have great personalities, love kids and are bigger healthier dogs. Her owner and I both feel better about breeding the larger dogs than the smaller ones, they always seem to have health problems with the smaller versions. |
10-12-2009, 08:05 AM | #5 |
Princess Poop A Lot Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado
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| You really need more reasons to breed dogs than great personality and great with kids. We are putting down over 5 million animals a year and many of these would be great with kids. If you are going to breed please do it for the betterment of the breed.
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10-12-2009, 08:11 AM | #6 |
I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
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| A 12 lb male shouldnt be bred at all. Hes way over the standard
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10-12-2009, 08:15 AM | #7 |
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| I'm not a breeder but I wouldnt think it would cause complications for the momma. I would just go buy another if you wanted a puppy.
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10-12-2009, 09:24 AM | #8 | |
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The reason why most dogs have health issues, is that people are breeding dogs together that should not be. A responsible breeder will breed healthy and genetic free dogs, they don't just put male and a female together. They research their breeding lines to ensure the pups will be healthy and free from genetic defects. Just because your Vet says the dogs are healthy and breedable doesn't mean they are. Do you know everything about the dogs lines and background???? You could be passing along defects that are not only painful for the pup but also for the new owners. I hope you both research and reconsider before you step into something major like bringing new life into this world. Last edited by TLC; 10-12-2009 at 09:26 AM. | |
10-12-2009, 09:29 AM | #9 |
Phantom Queen Morrigan Donating Member | i think your guy is just way too big to be bred. not only is the breed standard 7lbs and under but he's double the weight of the female. its said that males should always be smaller then the female. he could produce bigger pups that could kill the female when delivering.
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10-12-2009, 09:30 AM | #10 |
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| One of the biggest reasons that yorkies end up in rescues is because they get too big. a 12 pound dog is way to big to breed even if he isn't too big for the female. |
10-12-2009, 10:16 AM | #11 |
YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: St. Joseph, MO , USA
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| WOW! you guys really jump on someone when you do not know all the facts. 1- yes we had both dogs checked, both are dual registered and mine has a 4 generation pedigree including 3 AKC members in his line. 2- the area we live in does not have any good breeders, I traveled 6 hours to a registered breeder for my dog and the female is from a breeder in Germany 3- we are not breeding just to breed she runs a kennel and is trying to start a yorkie line in this area since there are none 4- I posted my question out of concern for both animals, if I wasn't concerned I would have held the female down and forced the breeding 5- I know that he is larger than the standard but he is exceptionally healthy other than his weight he meets every standard for AKC and he has a wonderful personality especially with kids. I would rather have a healthy happy dog who is part of a family than a "perfect" dogs who is unhealthy, unhappy and lives in a kennel because it doesn't respond well to people. I expected responses like yes he is probably too big or something similar- I was not prepared to be chastized and lectured for trying to do the right thing. |
10-12-2009, 10:21 AM | #12 |
I Love My Yorkies Donating Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Indianapolis, Indiana
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| No one was jumping on you just telling you the truth that you dont want to hear. Reputable breeders dont breed males that large
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10-12-2009, 10:25 AM | #13 |
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| I am so sorry that you feel like you were jumped on. There is so much bad breeding that goes on, I just think people have very strong feelings about trying to prevent more of it. I do agree that even though your boy is an amazing dog, which I am sure he is, you probably shouldn't breed one that large. JMHO. Good luck and please don't take the comments as negative, just informative.
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10-12-2009, 10:28 AM | #14 |
Luvs Lulu Donating Member | At the end of the day you will do what you want to do since it's your dog. On the other hand I would say that you shouldn't breed them togehter. Although, he is a compact 12 lbs he is definitely a big boy. Odds are he will throw big pups and it will cause problems for the female and you could end up losing her or have a c-section bill. Good luck in whatever you choose. Please don't think that any of the members are jumping on you. They are just a bit worried about the female and we have seen a lot of people come on here that just want to breed and damn the repercussions of it all. I know when we love our pup we would love to see one of their off spring but sometimes it's for the best that we just leave the breeding up to skilled and ethical breeders.
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10-12-2009, 10:32 AM | #15 |
Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa
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| I do not see any chastising or lectureing. Just people giving you honest answers. Is that NOT what you wanted? If you did not want opinions, then you should not have asked for them. You should have said "I am goling to breed my 12 pound male and I don't want your opinions, I just want you all to tell me it is a good idea. If your friend wants to start a line in your area, then she should look for a stud that is within the standards size range. She will have a hard time selling the puppies if they have a 12 pound father. There is nothing wrong with the bigger yorkies, except that MOST people want them in the standard size range. And if they buy a puppy expecting it to get to be 6 pounds, they are not happy if it ends up at 12 pounds. |
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