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Marissa101 · 07-14-2009, 03:47 PM

I don't know how to post this. My mom is starting a child care service and today when one of the kids was here the kid was throwing a ball and him and snickers went for it at the same time and snickers got his hand instead of the ball

. Snickers immediately let go and it didn’t brake the skin. I’m worried this will happen again

. Also he is still the tiniest bit aggressive with his food. He doesn’t like you putting your hand to cover it whether its half or all of it .What if one of the kids does that? I don't want anything to happen to him or the kids. I love him so much already and it's only been two weeks and I don't want to sell him and I'm sure as heck not giving him to the pound. What should I do? I don’t want to give Snickers up

He is just the best puppy I could have asked for(well he isn't a puppy). I could keep him outside or in an X-pen but the child that is here right now, his mom works from 7:00 am to 6:00 pm. I don't want to keep him locked up that long

Please Help!

manolos mom · 07-14-2009, 04:01 PM

Marissa I want you to sent Ladyjane and Megansmomma an pm and they will help you. They belong to Yorkie Haven Rescue.

Marissa101 · 07-14-2009, 04:08 PM

You think they could help me train him? Just something?

angelakc · 07-14-2009, 04:19 PM

Maybe you can keep him in a separate area when the kids are there...

Marissa101 · 07-14-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by angelakc

Maybe you can keep him in a separate area when the kids are there...

And go visit him frequently? He wouldn't be able to be my shadow but that would be okay... thanks!

QuickSilver · 07-14-2009, 04:34 PM

I think you should be able to train him out of this, but because kids are involved, I'd recommend a professional trainer if you can afford it. Another YT member recommended the book 'Mine' to deal with resource guarding.

Maybe you can baby gate or x-pen him while kids are around, or just think about when he's out - it sounds like it would be fine for him to be out when they are napping for instance. I bet you can work it out.

Also, you can probably get a feel for which kids it's okay for him to be around, and which are more rambunctious, etc. I bet the kids would love to have special training sessions with the dog where they learn to pet him. A lot of kids come up to Thor and he's very friendly, but they often have no idea how to pet a dog. A lot of times they sort of try to slap his head. Or my boss's kid, who loves to steal Thor's toys, the other day his dad told him to give the toy back, and he threw the toy right at Thor and beaned him! I taught him how to throw the toy AWAY from the dog. You could have them take turns playing fetch with him, etc. Just keep it controlled and supervised.

manolos mom · 07-14-2009, 04:45 PM

Marissa, Im sorry, only if you need to surrender him. You need to supervise him around the children. Might be a liablity. What if your mom walks him daily or takes him to the park with the children. He will gradually get use to the change. Good Luck. Dont take him to the pound.

Marissa101 · 07-14-2009, 04:54 PM

I'm only about saving animals from the pound so no need to worry. I called the only trainer here and she has an opening in september. Where you go through beginner Intermediate etc. I can just supervise him and take him out at nap time untill then. Thanks for your guy's help. I will take more advice and try to keep all of you updated on here.

joeyandtanksmom · 07-14-2009, 05:45 PM

I think the food aggression could be solved just by you being stern with Snickers. Practice covering his food, and when he growls, flick his nose. it really shouldn't hurt, but it will surprise him. also, put him on his back and stand over him like the alpha dog in a pack. by showing you are the aggressive one, he will learn that what you say goes. I've done that with both my dogs, and a little kid can literally take something from his bowl or mouth (like a ball or bone), and he gives it up. good luck to you!

Marissa101 · 07-14-2009, 07:54 PM

Thanks so much!

mjharpst · 07-14-2009, 08:03 PM

Sit right by him while he is eating and pet him the entire time- also to be the pack leader you have to eat first. So put the bowl down and push him away and pretend to eat and then YOU allow him to eat. Good luck!

lillymae · 07-15-2009, 12:09 AM

Sad to say but Day care and your dogs don't mix. I have been doing Day care for 16 years and have 3 of my own dogs plus a couple of fosters. You need to keep them separated during business hours. For the safety of the kids and for the safety of your dogs. Kids don't always understand to be careful around the smaller dogs and it's just a matter of time before your dog gets hurt. All it takes is for one of the kids to fall on your dog to kill it. One of my daycare kids fell on my pom mix about 4 yrs ago and broke his leg, he's a 14 pounder thank GOD it wasn't my tiny dog or she'd have been killed. I used to work for a vet and and I'll tell you it's hard to take when you see the damage a child can do to a little dog on accident. Also wait till you have to see a parents face when you tell them their child was bitten by your dog, it's not pretty either. And you can't blame them. I don't know if you are a licenced provider or not , but you should have baby gates in the kitchen entrance, the kitchen should be off limits to the kids except at meal times and craft time. When they enter the kitchen pick the dog up till the kids are seated. My dogs stay in the kitchen when the kids are in my house and it works fine. I'm in and out of the kitchen all day getting snacks and drinks and prepping bottles, so my dogs still get a lot of attention during the day. You just have to figure out what will work, it can be done.

RemydeHaviland · 07-15-2009, 05:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lillymae

Sad to say but Day care and your dogs don't mix. I have been doing Day care for 16 years and have 3 of my own dogs plus a couple of fosters. You need to keep them separated during business hours. For the safety of the kids and for the safety of your dogs. Kids don't always understand to be careful around the smaller dogs and it's just a matter of time before your dog gets hurt. All it takes is for one of the kids to fall on your dog to kill it. One of my daycare kids fell on my pom mix about 4 yrs ago and broke his leg, he's a 14 pounder thank GOD it wasn't my tiny dog or she'd have been killed. I used to work for a vet and and I'll tell you it's hard to take when you see the damage a child can do to a little dog on accident. Also wait till you have to see a parents face when you tell them their child was bitten by your dog, it's not pretty either. And you can't blame them. I don't know if you are a licenced provider or not , but you should have baby gates in the kitchen entrance, the kitchen should be off limits to the kids except at meal times and craft time. When they enter the kitchen pick the dog up till the kids are seated. My dogs stay in the kitchen when the kids are in my house and it works fine. I'm in and out of the kitchen all day getting snacks and drinks and prepping bottles, so my dogs still get a lot of attention during the day. You just have to figure out what will work, it can be done.

Terrific post. The only point I would add is a childcare business has significant inherent liability issues for your Mother. When you add the dogs to the mix, her liability exposures increase dramatically. As stated above day care and dogs do not mix

JoeyP · 07-15-2009, 07:38 AM

Yorkies sad to say are not very good with kids

These are excitable little guys and the quick uncoordinated movements of children get their mousing instincts going

There are lots of stories of yorkies biting children

Keep this dog away from kids

There also seems to be an agression problem going on too
There are plenty of posts on this to take care of this
but do it now before it turns into something serious

lillymae · 07-15-2009, 08:50 AM

All that said, there is really NO REASON to get rid of the dog. You just Make It Work. And it is that simple, where theres a will theres a way.

07-14-2009, 03:47 PM	#1
Marissa101 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Nevada USA Posts: 818 Blog Entries: 1	Child Care Woes I don't know how to post this. My mom is starting a child care service and today when one of the kids was here the kid was throwing a ball and him and snickers went for it at the same time and snickers got his hand instead of the ball . Snickers immediately let go and it didn’t brake the skin. I’m worried this will happen again . Also he is still the tiniest bit aggressive with his food. He doesn’t like you putting your hand to cover it whether its half or all of it .What if one of the kids does that? I don't want anything to happen to him or the kids. I love him so much already and it's only been two weeks and I don't want to sell him and I'm sure as heck not giving him to the pound. What should I do? I don’t want to give Snickers up He is just the best puppy I could have asked for(well he isn't a puppy). I could keep him outside or in an X-pen but the child that is here right now, his mom works from 7:00 am to 6:00 pm. I don't want to keep him locked up that long Please Help! __________________ Yes, we made a fan club for our obssession of Johnny Depp Snickers Not just a delicious candy bar

07-14-2009, 04:01 PM	#2
manolos mom Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 7,982	Marissa I want you to sent Ladyjane and Megansmomma an pm and they will help you. They belong to Yorkie Haven Rescue. __________________ Ethical Breeders follow and support http://www.ytca.org/

07-14-2009, 04:08 PM	#3
Marissa101 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Nevada USA Posts: 818 Blog Entries: 1	You think they could help me train him? Just something? __________________ Yes, we made a fan club for our obssession of Johnny Depp Snickers Not just a delicious candy bar Last edited by Marissa101; 07-14-2009 at 04:10 PM.

07-14-2009, 04:19 PM	#4
angelakc <3 by Zsa Zsa & Pixie Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: sunshine state Posts: 738	Maybe you can keep him in a separate area when the kids are there... __________________ Zsa Zsa and Pixie have me wrapped around their paws "Whoever said you can't buy happiness forgot little puppies"

07-14-2009, 04:34 PM	#6
QuickSilver Thor's Human Donating Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 5,929 Blog Entries: 31	I think you should be able to train him out of this, but because kids are involved, I'd recommend a professional trainer if you can afford it. Another YT member recommended the book 'Mine' to deal with resource guarding. Maybe you can baby gate or x-pen him while kids are around, or just think about when he's out - it sounds like it would be fine for him to be out when they are napping for instance. I bet you can work it out. Also, you can probably get a feel for which kids it's okay for him to be around, and which are more rambunctious, etc. I bet the kids would love to have special training sessions with the dog where they learn to pet him. A lot of kids come up to Thor and he's very friendly, but they often have no idea how to pet a dog. A lot of times they sort of try to slap his head. Or my boss's kid, who loves to steal Thor's toys, the other day his dad told him to give the toy back, and he threw the toy right at Thor and beaned him! I taught him how to throw the toy AWAY from the dog. You could have them take turns playing fetch with him, etc. Just keep it controlled and supervised. __________________ If you love something, set it free. Unless it's an angry tiger. Last edited by QuickSilver; 07-14-2009 at 04:38 PM.

07-14-2009, 04:45 PM	#7
manolos mom Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 7,982	Marissa, Im sorry, only if you need to surrender him. You need to supervise him around the children. Might be a liablity. What if your mom walks him daily or takes him to the park with the children. He will gradually get use to the change. Good Luck. Dont take him to the pound. __________________ Ethical Breeders follow and support http://www.ytca.org/

07-14-2009, 04:54 PM	#8
Marissa101 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Nevada USA Posts: 818 Blog Entries: 1	I'm only about saving animals from the pound so no need to worry. I called the only trainer here and she has an opening in september. Where you go through beginner Intermediate etc. I can just supervise him and take him out at nap time untill then. Thanks for your guy's help. I will take more advice and try to keep all of you updated on here. __________________ Yes, we made a fan club for our obssession of Johnny Depp Snickers Not just a delicious candy bar

07-14-2009, 05:45 PM	#9
joeyandtanksmom YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Kuna,ID,USA Posts: 557	re:child care woes I think the food aggression could be solved just by you being stern with Snickers. Practice covering his food, and when he growls, flick his nose. it really shouldn't hurt, but it will surprise him. also, put him on his back and stand over him like the alpha dog in a pack. by showing you are the aggressive one, he will learn that what you say goes. I've done that with both my dogs, and a little kid can literally take something from his bowl or mouth (like a ball or bone), and he gives it up. good luck to you! __________________ Sandy: Joey & Tank's Mom Jackson Ryan

07-14-2009, 07:54 PM	#10
Marissa101 YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Northern Nevada USA Posts: 818 Blog Entries: 1	Thanks so much! __________________ Yes, we made a fan club for our obssession of Johnny Depp Snickers Not just a delicious candy bar

07-14-2009, 08:03 PM	#11
mjharpst YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,061	Sit right by him while he is eating and pet him the entire time- also to be the pack leader you have to eat first. So put the bowl down and push him away and pretend to eat and then YOU allow him to eat. Good luck! __________________ Meagan Ryder, Roxie, & Prince

07-15-2009, 12:09 AM	#12
lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	Day Care & Dogs Sad to say but Day care and your dogs don't mix. I have been doing Day care for 16 years and have 3 of my own dogs plus a couple of fosters. You need to keep them separated during business hours. For the safety of the kids and for the safety of your dogs. Kids don't always understand to be careful around the smaller dogs and it's just a matter of time before your dog gets hurt. All it takes is for one of the kids to fall on your dog to kill it. One of my daycare kids fell on my pom mix about 4 yrs ago and broke his leg, he's a 14 pounder thank GOD it wasn't my tiny dog or she'd have been killed. I used to work for a vet and and I'll tell you it's hard to take when you see the damage a child can do to a little dog on accident. Also wait till you have to see a parents face when you tell them their child was bitten by your dog, it's not pretty either. And you can't blame them. I don't know if you are a licenced provider or not , but you should have baby gates in the kitchen entrance, the kitchen should be off limits to the kids except at meal times and craft time. When they enter the kitchen pick the dog up till the kids are seated. My dogs stay in the kitchen when the kids are in my house and it works fine. I'm in and out of the kitchen all day getting snacks and drinks and prepping bottles, so my dogs still get a lot of attention during the day. You just have to figure out what will work, it can be done.

07-15-2009, 07:38 AM	#14
JoeyP YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Miami, FL,USA Posts: 1,005	Yorkies sad to say are not very good with kids These are excitable little guys and the quick uncoordinated movements of children get their mousing instincts going There are lots of stories of yorkies biting children Keep this dog away from kids There also seems to be an agression problem going on too There are plenty of posts on this to take care of this but do it now before it turns into something serious __________________ Mike and Zach's Dadd

07-15-2009, 08:50 AM	#15
lillymae YT 3000 Club Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Idaho Posts: 4,544	All that said, there is really NO REASON to get rid of the dog. You just Make It Work. And it is that simple, where theres a will theres a way.