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Old 03-26-2009, 02:03 PM   #1
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Default Town Doing Home Checks On Number Of Dogs -- Freaking Out

I am absolutely freaking out right now and I have no idea where to come besides here to talk about this.

In our local newspaper there was an article on how they've hired a police officer who on April 1st will start going door to door and coming inside and checking each and every dog and their shots/licensing. All my dogs are current on both, but I have one dog over the limit.

When I brought McKenzie home I had no knowledge of the limit, but my "lovely" next door neighbor informed me of it, so I spent a lot of time in fear of something happening. Nothing ever did, so I just left it at that -- but now I am absolutely terrified because this article was front page and I'm sure she's going to call and inform them that I have 4 dogs. My neighbors all know I have 4, because I walk them all the time and we live in a small town so everyone knows everyone's business.

I'm absolutely terrified because there's no way that I can know when they will show up on my door and no way that I can just hide one of our dogs when they come. I have no friends or family that can take McKenzie temporarily or permanently.

I've been bawling my eyes out because I cannot believe that we bought a home here, pay ridiculous taxes, are law abiding citizens and I have to live in fear over them ripping away one of my FAMILY members because of some ridiculous number someone pulled out of their ass (sorry to curse). My dogs are all tiny and under 10 lbs and it's just absolutely ridiculous. I would NOT have broken this law had I known about it, but there was absolutely no enforcement or anything anywhere about dog ordinances.

McKenzie has a very meek personality and she would need someone home all day with her to work with her and be there for her. I'd need someone so patient and SO careful to take her and I just don't know if I can find someone like this, I'm just absolutely devastated and shocked. In these economic times, loved and cherished pets are going to be ripped away from their caring owners and tossed into shelters at a time shelters and rescues are PACKED FULL. I am just so livid and I cannot believe this is even legal in any way.
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Is this not a violation of your rights?
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oh my I am so sorry . I would gladly take your baby if I lived closer. We are a retired couple and live in the country and therefore have no such laws. We for the time being only have one but are already looking for our second. I cant imagine how I would feel if someone were to come take my baby from me. Will be praying really hard for you.
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If I were you I would call your town hall anonamously and ask them what the penalty would be if they find you have over the limit. I honestly do not believe they can take your baby, but they could fine you or make you apply and pay a kennel fee.
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Old 03-26-2009, 02:12 PM   #5
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Stop freaking out.

There is no law that allows police to enter your house without probable cause that a crime is being committed.

If an officer does show up at your door, you have every right as a U.S. citizen to refuse him/her entry.

Tell the cop, but be civil, I want to see your search warranty please.

I think your police dept should be out looking for real criminals, not people with puppies. Unless you are running a puppy kennel at your house.

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wow this is silly.there is a limit to how many dogs someone can keep? what happen to being a free country. goodness. i say dont open the door for them. how are they going to check each any everyone's house.. im not understand this?
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* Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

does this not go against the fourth amendment if they do search your house
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John's got the right of it...unless the police are in "hot pursuit" of a criminal suspect or have reason to believe a crime is being committed in your home, they have NO right to enter the premises without a search warrant. And it is highly unlikely that a judge is going to issue a search warrant on a peaceful household to find an "extra" dog or two.

So, if the police show up at your door and want to come in and count your dogs, just ask for their search warrant. If they give you some kind of paper that supposedly authorizes then, politely return it to them and refuse them entry. A search warrant must name the address to be search and specifically identify what they are looking to find. Each premises must have its own warrant. And if the cops don't produce one, YOU do not have to let them in. Don't.

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O.k...let's think this out but let's start with a question. Are you for sure this is for real??

I mean come on...'they have hired a police officer'...just one?? In New York?? I wouldn't worry...your dogs will die of old age before he gets around to you!

Also...this will start on April 1st...isn't that 'April Fool's Day'?

Are you sure someone isn't yanking your chain?
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Oh wow! I never heard of such a thing! I agree, don't answer the door! Hope everything works out for you!
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I am absolutely freaking out right now and I have no idea where to come besides here to talk about this.

In our local newspaper there was an article on how they've hired a police officer who on April 1st will start going door to door and coming inside and checking each and every dog and their shots/licensing. All my dogs are current on both, but I have one dog over the limit.

When I brought McKenzie home I had no knowledge of the limit, but my "lovely" next door neighbor informed me of it, so I spent a lot of time in fear of something happening. Nothing ever did, so I just left it at that -- but now I am absolutely terrified because this article was front page and I'm sure she's going to call and inform them that I have 4 dogs. My neighbors all know I have 4, because I walk them all the time and we live in a small town so everyone knows everyone's business.

I'm absolutely terrified because there's no way that I can know when they will show up on my door and no way that I can just hide one of our dogs when they come. I have no friends or family that can take McKenzie temporarily or permanently.

I've been bawling my eyes out because I cannot believe that we bought a home here, pay ridiculous taxes, are law abiding citizens and I have to live in fear over them ripping away one of my FAMILY members because of some ridiculous number someone pulled out of their ass (sorry to curse). My dogs are all tiny and under 10 lbs and it's just absolutely ridiculous. I would NOT have broken this law had I known about it, but there was absolutely no enforcement or anything anywhere about dog ordinances.

McKenzie has a very meek personality and she would need someone home all day with her to work with her and be there for her. I'd need someone so patient and SO careful to take her and I just don't know if I can find someone like this, I'm just absolutely devastated and shocked. In these economic times, loved and cherished pets are going to be ripped away from their caring owners and tossed into shelters at a time shelters and rescues are PACKED FULL. I am just so livid and I cannot believe this is even legal in any way.
why dont you just let one stay with a family member or friend by the time until things cool down
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I think you can pay extra fee and keep your babies.....at least thats the way it works here
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BROOKLYN CENTER, Minn. (WCCO) ― A Twin Cities family is fighting to keep one of its pets after the city says they have too many. The brother and sister live together in Brooklyn Center with their three dogs, but city officials say they can only have two.

Pat Laurin and her brother Ron Ruppert consider themselves a family of five. Their two younger Yorkies take care of their older one, who is blind. So, when the city showed up a few weeks ago on a barking complaint, they weren't prepared for what else they brought with them.

"I said 'Yes, I got three dogs.' Well he says, 'You got to get rid of one because the ordinance says you can only have two,'" Ruppert said.

Two dogs and three cats is the maximum number Brooklyn Center allows.

Brooklyn Center Mayor Tim Willson said there's been complaints against the ordinance in the past but it's there to protect neighbors against foul orders and noise.

Now, Pat and Ron must make their case to the city council to keep all three.

"I'm going to tell them I think you have better things to do with your time than to worry about some little four pound dog," Ruppert said.

After spending years together as a family, their decision has already been made, no matter what the city decides.

Brooklyn Center has to remove a dog from a home about once a month, but the mayor said it's usually because of a dangerous dog situation. He calls a case like this one very rare.
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I am curious. What town do you live in?
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What a huge waste of taxpayer dollars, and if I were you I'd be at the next city council meeting in outrage.

"All it takes for evil to prevail, is for good men to do nothing." (can't remember who said that right off hand, but it is true)

Now, take a deep breath. The answer is called The Bill of Rights. It's that pesky addendum to the Constitution which specifies the rights of the people, for the people, and by the people, that drives government officials batty whenever good citizens have the audacity to use it.

Let me refer you to the 4th Amendment. It states:

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Now, what this means is no police officer can come into your home without your permission, unless he has a warrant. If he has a warrant, you need to make sure it is for what he is there for, and actually describes the place to be searched and the persons or things to be seized.

On the other hand, if a friendly officer knocks on your door, and he asks to come into your house, and you let him in, you have just waived your right against unreasonable searches and seizures, and anything (even other than the illegal extra dog you may have) is fair game.

This is an example, and it is true, because it happened to me. About 5 years ago, my then 3 year old son hit speed dial on the upstairs phone line, which unbeknownst to me was keyed into 911. A police officer showed up at my door. He told me he HAD to come in and check things out. I said, "no, not without a warrant". It was so obvious nothing was going on...we were all at the door wondering why he was there. He then proceeds to tell me they ALWAYS have to check out a house on a 911 call, because someone could be "lying upstairs in a pool of blood, having been shot, and now dying". I swear he said that in front of my 12 year old son. I calmly told him there was no one lying in a pool of blood and he still wasn't coming into my house without a warrant. He got very irritated with me, and radioed his supervisor who asked "does anything look suspicious?", to which he replied, "no", and the supervisor then said "then come on back to the station". I heard all of that, because he was on his radio. As he walked down my sidewalk back to his car, he looked over his shoulder and sarcastically said, "THANKS a lot for all your help". I said, "no problem, have a nice evening."

What worries me more is that so many people stand by wringing their hands and have no idea what their rights are. Police officers aren't god. My brother is one, and they use all kinds of tactics to get their way. Educate yourself on your rights and you will empower yourself beyond belief. Everytime they pass a law, you lose a little more liberty.

THEY CANNOT VIOLATE YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS UNLESS YOU GIVE THEM PERMISSION TO. QUIT GIVING THEM PERMISSION.

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