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09-24-2008, 02:34 PM | #1 |
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| Question about Breeders Ethic I'm going to try to keep this short. My parents got a male yorkie from a breeder almost 2 yrs. ago. His testicles never dropped and the vet said they are not going to drop. He has to have a surgery that is going to cost around $500 factoring in antibiotics. My mother never told the breeder because she thought maybe they would drop, but no such luck. Everybody we talked to said that she should compensate somehow for our yorkie. The breeder now has a yorkie puppy for sale that I am interested in buying, but we think that she should compensate by knocking off at least a couple hundred dollars. What is the breeders ethic when it comes to this kind of situation, and how should we handle it. We also have the vet documentation. |
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09-24-2008, 02:46 PM | #2 |
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| It just depends on what the terms were between your mother and the breeder. If there was no kind of written agreement between them when she bought the pup in regards to the issue, then I don't think she is obligated to reimburse her anything...unless she just wants to. |
09-27-2008, 03:48 AM | #3 | |
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Why would the breeder even think about knocking off a couple of hundred for this type of problem when its the daughter buying a yorkie? And is this even a breeder "ethics" issue? This was two years later. | |
09-27-2008, 04:10 AM | #4 | |
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Most health guarantees are for one year. So, even if it was in the contract, she hasn't mentioned it until now...after the guarantee has expired. If it was purchased as a pet quality pup, then it should have been neutered, anyway, and the testicle problem would have been mute. I don't think that the breeder should have to knock off "at least a couple hundred", for a family member.
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09-27-2008, 04:52 AM | #5 |
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| Is this a genetic issue or just something that happens out of the blue sometimes? Just curious? I say it doesn't hurt to ask. The worst she can do is say no.
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09-27-2008, 05:29 AM | #6 |
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| Usually they guarantee against "genetic" type things, not sure if this testicle problem falls in that area....but the time factor here for me is the major issue. Even a year guarantee is generous in some cases, but to bring something up 2 years later....I think your parents will just have to eat this one. I don't think the breeder owes them anything at this point. sorry.
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09-27-2008, 05:43 AM | #7 | |
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1. was this puppy purchased as a possible stud or a pet ? If it was a pet why wasn't it neutered at a much earlier age- that is why there should be a spay nueter clause in the contract if that is what is to be done. 2. why was this just now being discussed and wanting a refund? 2 years later? 3.this is not a life threatning condition and unless this boy was specifially bought to be a stud - it is not a item normally covered by the guarantee. 4. Why would the refund/credit be given to someone else other than the original buyer if in fact a refund/credit were to be given- which unless as i said the puppy was to be a stud , none is due. These are my opinions on this and would be my answer to the issue. I don't mean to make light of spending $500 but i am surprised at the cost and also this is actually not much more than to have a female spayed so i don't understand why that amount would be an issue after enjoying this little guy for two years. Surely the money can't be the issue or can it ? Vet bills are part of responsible pet ownership.
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09-27-2008, 05:58 AM | #8 | |
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I have read many guarantees and I have noticed that a lot of breeders do not guarantee against stud or breeding use. So I really don't get why a breeder would be held to standard of ethics when it comes to this issue. When I hear the word ethics thrown around, it just seems wrong for owners (pet or breeder) to hold a breeder to such high standards when they might not know unless they are told. Its kinda like asking a breeder to become God in a sense. | |
09-27-2008, 06:01 AM | #9 |
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| If you are unhappy with the breeder why would you buy another dog from them?
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09-27-2008, 06:12 AM | #10 |
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| Cryptorchidism is genetic and dogs with the condition should not be bred. They also should be neutered asap because cryptorchid puppies are at risk of the testicles strangulating and/or becoming cancerous. With that said, two years later you have no recourse against this breeder. Perhaps if you had informed her of his condition right away she may have offered to reimburse you a little of the purchase price towards the more expensive neuter (like breeders often do with hernia repairs). But to expect her to lower the price of a new puppy years later is completely unrealistic. I also wonder why you would get another puppy from this breeder if you are unhappy with her? |
09-27-2008, 06:17 AM | #11 | |
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is a few dollars all that matters here ?
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09-27-2008, 06:19 AM | #12 | |
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I would like to know that answer. Would a vet normally wait so long to neuter a male with this condition? Also can you blame a breeder for this? Chino came neutered, and I am so glad for that, but if he didn't I wouldn't have blamed the breeder for this if he had it | |
09-27-2008, 06:25 AM | #13 | |
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09-27-2008, 06:32 AM | #14 | |
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09-27-2008, 08:11 AM | #15 | |
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I have a male though who didn't drop his first until a little over a year (after we had scheduled his neuter). We put of the surgery, gave up again on him dropping the second, rescheduled and he dropped his second at 16 months, just a week before his neuter was scheduled for the 2nd time. So I dunno....that's kind of a tricky call, I suppose. | |
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