designer pups...???

[tjdmom]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

Why would mixing give you the worst of both why couldn't it be the best of both? Most mixed breeds, designers, or mutts that I have ever seen are nice healthy loving dogs.

For instance we once had a yorkie-poo. She had the personality of a yorkie and the intelligence of the poodle. the face of a yorkie and the coat of the poodle.

I have to say I'm kinda surprised at myself but I do agree with this. Let me explain why...... I absolutely love my yorkie but I also have a collie and she's awesome too although her hair is an issue a couple times a year. I said I always like having a bigger dog for the protection aspect of it. My collie makes me feel safe and protected. She's not aggressive in the least but I truely believe she would give her life for me and my family. My yorkie would too the problem is, she couldn't do much damage. But the problem is all the bigger dogs seem to shed and I really don't want a dog who sheds. Well, yesterday at the park I saw this dog and I knew it must've been a cross. We asked the woman and she says it's a goldendoodle. A golden retreiver poodle cross. I think that's going to be my next big dog. It had the poodle hair so no shedding but it was about the size of my collie maybe a little bigger. Does that make me a bad person? It's not any desire to have a designer breed, just the convenience for me and really because of allergies, it's not even purely convenience.....
Anyways, that's my two cents.....

[Chrissy0277]

I dont care for the mixing of breeds and HATE the term designer dog..

I had someone tell me the other day their "cavichon" was an akc registered dog one of the 50 akc breeds (we all know there is a hell of alot more then 50) and I didnt know what I was talking about. I had to keep my mouth shut and pretend I was a moron cause the customer is always right

[iuplori]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You see many purebreds for adoption also. I believe that intentional cross breeding is different from letting the dogs breed indiscriminately. If done intentionally with someone who is looking to produce a certain type, they will choose good specimens of both breeds that compliment each other and have good tempermants.

Jeanie, I agree with what you said here. The intention has to be the key, that the breeder is just as careful with the characterisitics of the parents as in two purebreds. If this is the case and the puppies are raised in a superior envionment just as a purebred, I see nothing wrong with the practice, nor with charging enough money to cover vet costs, etc. I've never raised puppies, but I assume the vet doesn't charge more for the visits and shots just because the dog is purebred. Does anyone know?

Of course, if people aren't particular about the characteristics they are looking for, adoption should be the first consideration, but that's not always possible for every situation.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by JeanieK

You see many purebreds for adoption also. I believe that intentional cross breeding is different from letting the dogs breed indiscriminately. If done intentionally with someone who is looking to produce a certain type, they will choose good specimens of both breeds that compliment each other and have good tempermants.

Yes you are correct on purebreds being up for adoption also. Still remains for me is the price tag that comes with the mixing of the two breeds. I refuse to use the word "mutt for any type of dog. I feel no dog is a mutt, but I refuse to buy a F1 or F2 whatever they are called for the same price as a purebred. Now if that breeder took her price down on her yorkiense I would buy one now that I went back and looked at them again. Gosh they are to die for. They have the color of a yorkie, the face of the peke and the hair of both (I think).

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by iuplori

Jeanie, I agree with what you said here. The intention has to be the key, that the breeder is just as careful with the characterisitics of the parents as in two purebreds. If this is the case and the puppies are raised in a superior envionment just as a purebred, I see nothing wrong with the practice, nor with charging enough money to cover vet costs, etc. I've never raised puppies, but I assume the vet doesn't charge more for the visits and shots just because the dog is purebred. Does anyone know?

Of course, if people aren't particular about the characteristics they are looking for, adoption should be the first consideration, but that's not always possible for every situation.

Well I be.....I never looked at it like that, vet bills and all. Maybe I will give her a call.

[Chrissy0277]

Originally Posted by tjdmom

I have to say I'm kinda surprised at myself but I do agree with this. Let me explain why...... I absolutely love my yorkie but I also have a collie and she's awesome too although her hair is an issue a couple times a year. I said I always like having a bigger dog for the protection aspect of it. My collie makes me feel safe and protected. She's not aggressive in the least but I truely believe she would give her life for me and my family. My yorkie would too the problem is, she couldn't do much damage. But the problem is all the bigger dogs seem to shed and I really don't want a dog who sheds. Well, yesterday at the park I saw this dog and I knew it must've been a cross. We asked the woman and she says it's a goldendoodle. A golden retreiver poodle cross. I think that's going to be my next big dog. It had the poodle hair so no shedding but it was about the size of my collie maybe a little bigger. Does that make me a bad person? It's not any desire to have a designer breed, just the convenience for me and really because of allergies, it's not even purely convenience.....
Anyways, that's my two cents.....

If you get one I would say be MAJOR PREPARED for lots of obedience training. I see at least a dozen every day and maybe one of them once in a blue moon is not a complete lunatic. They need more then your average grooming and cost a fortune to groom, if you dont keep up with grooming your dog is going to have to be shaved every single time, they matt up that quickly. 99 percent of them that I have groomed have been beyond nuts and are very hard to control. Dont get me wrong they are adorable as pups but if not PROPERLY trained they will make your life a living hell. I see so many owners who cannot control their golden doodles and Im going to say more so then anyother breed that I see daily

[KimberlySRN]

I also dislike the new trend that has become the designer breeds. To me this is just a ploy that "breeders" use to sell there mix breeds.
Yes it is true that in order to get our "purebreds" they are a mixture of different breeds, but usually the people that did it were dedicated to producing certain qualities and made choices that would help them achieve their goal. To me just because all dogs are a mixture of something is not a good enough reason to intentionally produce crosses unless you are seriously dedicated to producing a new breed. (Which I can pretty much safely say is not the case in the majority)
I have no problems with people owning mixed pups, but I'm sorry I don't agree with someone contributing to the over population of dogs just because they want a litter, have a male and a female, were not responsible and had an "accidentally", need money, etc. Again if you are seriously wanting to develope a new breed and are 100% ready to dedicate yourself to it that is another story.
I had a few friends that helped to develope a new breed of rabbits, but it took them years, a lot of money and time, a lot of room and a ton of patience and they did it. They were finally approved by ARBA after years of getting approvals and rejection from the board. Now a rabbit can breed every 30 days or so, most breed them no more than every other month, and they must be at least 6 months old, and this took them years. Now a dog is another ball game, but if you are ready to dedicate your life to it, then by all means.
I believe the point the other poster was trying to get at was people are claiming to that by breeding these pups they can get the best of both breeds and in actuality it takes years to accomplish that. Yes, they are cute but that isn't really a great reason. When breeding purebred dogs you have a pretty good idea of what you will be getting. When you breed a mixture you never know.
Opinions were asked for, and I agree everyone has one, and this is mine.
(Sorry I didn't know I would write so much )

[durtymydawg]

So from what I've been reading...this is what I gather!

1. Its all about the $$ issue that either you sell them for equal amount as a purebred...why not if someone is willing to pay a decent price? I don't agree with selling them for tons of $$, but I think any decent puppy is worthy of a fair price.

2. Why create more un-neccessary pups when the world is full of them at the shelters....if you truly feel that way then don't breed dogs at all. Don't buy registered or purebred dogs from a breeder and pick your pup/dog up at the shelter. Not trying to sound mean...all dogs or animals deserve a good home. If everyone felt this way then no one would be breeding purebred dogs either.

3. True- what is known as a purebred Yorkie is what started as a cross bred mutt somewhere years ago...just like a paint horse is a mix of different breeds. The assc. was called American Painted Quarter Horse Assc. years ago and then they dropped the word..."Quarter"....and now call it American Paint Horse Assc....correct me if I'm wrong. It happens no matter what animal were talking about...someone-somewhere is crossing breeds to either develop something better or just to give what some people want...a Mutt or as some would say "designer pup".

4. I say, if it sells and is in demand and you can ask and get a fair price for it, then why not offer them? I don't see it hurting the purebred dog, or destroying his or her qualities, and I don't think people are allowed to add them to the AKC or UKC registries. It not like your going to breed a Shorkie back to a reg. Yorkie and be able to have AKC accept it into the registry. Your always going to have people that want that odd ball looking animal, that someone comes along and says..."what is it, its so adorable?".

5. Why not shun the outside registries that are not AKC or UKC....APRI, APR, CKC (continental - not canadian)....or whatever else people have started....just to say there dog is registered or pure. Some of these registries, if I'm correct just go off from the pic of the animal...I would think people would put a stop to that, more so then worry about people mixing breeds and calling them "Designer"....I hate looking at ads, trying to find great quality Reg. purebred pups and then find its only reg. with something like APRI...whats the sense? Its sometimes because of laziness and the breeder doesn't want to have to have their animal DNA done....or maybe the price of registering is cheaper.


Thankyou for responding and being so kind....I expected to really hear the fireworks or be told off. I'm glad for all the responses from people all over the country. I geuss if someone comes to me and wants to crossbreed, then I'll have to make that decision on whether its worth crossing them or not.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by Chrissy0277

If you get one I would say be MAJOR PREPARED for lots of obedience training. I see at least a dozen every day and maybe one of them once in a blue moon is not a complete lunatic. They need more then your average grooming and cost a fortune to groom, if you dont keep up with grooming your dog is going to have to be shaved every single time, they matt up that quickly. 99 percent of them that I have groomed have been beyond nuts and are very hard to control. Dont get me wrong they are adorable as pups but if not PROPERLY trained they will make your life a living hell. I see so many owners who cannot control their golden doodles and Im going to say more so then anyother breed that I see daily

But isn't this a problem for any animal that is not "Properly" trained? I see it the same way with a child, no training, no respect for you or anyone.

[Chrissy0277]

Originally Posted by yorkieisme

But isn't this a problem for any animal that is not "Properly" trained? I see it the same way with a child, no training, no respect for you or anyone.

True... however as a groomer I see goldendoodles seem to be the WORST when it comes to an untrained dog when it comes to grooming. I dread grooming most of them. Every now and then you get a really good one but most of the time most of them are insane.

[Chrissy0277]

I think alot of it has to do with their size alot of them I see them range over 100 lbs so an untrained 100lb dog is not fun lol

[YorkichonBella]

I'm going to try to be polite so this is what I know:

The term "mutt" generally refers to a dog of unknown descent. It was originally not viewed to be derogatory. Some use this term with no disrespect, while others....well let's just say NOT!
The term crossbreed refers to puppies produced by the breeding technique of breeding known dogs of two different purebred dog breeds for some specific reason.
There is no guarantee of good genetic health, or temperment, of any dog, purebred or otherwise, as not all damaging genes are recessive, and there are relatively few single-gene traits. Also, of course, purebred and mixed-breed dogs are equally susceptible to nongenetic ailments, such as rabies, distemper, injury, and infestation by parasites.
Some owners value a dog's pedigree as a status symbol and, therefore, have no use for mixed-breed dogs; others particularly appreciate the physical or behavioral traits of certain breeds; still others ignore pedigree and, instead, value a dog's personality and health.
Local animal shelters adopt out dogs of both purebred and mixed ancestry, emphasizing each dog's personality and suitability as a companion for each potential owner's lifestyle.
:

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by durtymydawg

So from what I've been reading...this is what I gather!



Thankyou for responding and being so kind....I expected to really hear the fireworks or be told off. I'm glad for all the responses from people all over the country. I geuss if someone comes to me and wants to crossbreed, then I'll have to make that decision on whether its worth crossing them or not.

None from me, good luck.

[Ladyhawk]

Originally Posted by KimberlySRN

I also dislike the new trend that has become the designer breeds. To me this is just a ploy that "breeders" use to sell there mix breeds.
Yes it is true that in order to get our "purebreds" they are a mixture of different breeds, but usually the people that did it were dedicated to producing certain qualities and made choices that would help them achieve their goal. To me just because all dogs are a mixture of something is not a good enough reason to intentionally produce crosses unless you are seriously dedicated to producing a new breed. (Which I can pretty much safely say is not the case in the majority)
I have no problems with people owning mixed pups, but I'm sorry I don't agree with someone contributing to the over population of dogs just because they want a litter, have a male and a female, were not responsible and had an "accidentally", need money, etc. Again if you are seriously wanting to develope a new breed and are 100% ready to dedicate yourself to it that is another story.
I had a few friends that helped to develope a new breed of rabbits, but it took them years, a lot of money and time, a lot of room and a ton of patience and they did it. They were finally approved by ARBA after years of getting approvals and rejection from the board. Now a rabbit can breed every 30 days or so, most breed them no more than every other month, and they must be at least 6 months old, and this took them years. Now a dog is another ball game, but if you are ready to dedicate your life to it, then by all means.
I believe the point the other poster was trying to get at was people are claiming to that by breeding these pups they can get the best of both breeds and in actuality it takes years to accomplish that. Yes, they are cute but that isn't really a great reason. When breeding purebred dogs you have a pretty good idea of what you will be getting. When you breed a mixture you never know.
Opinions were asked for, and I agree everyone has one, and this is mine.
(Sorry I didn't know I would write so much )

I don't see why you should put the bitches life in danger if there is not a goal in producing the litter. Just wanting to make money or experience the birth of puppies is not an acceptable reason for having a litter in my opinion. When you are mixing the question must be asked, what are you trying to produce. If money is the answer you're being irresponsible with your bitches life.

[yorkieisme]

Originally Posted by Ladyhawk

I don't see why you should put the bitches life in danger if there is not a goal in producing the litter. Just wanting to make money or experience the birth of puppies is not an acceptable reason for having a litter in my opinion. When you are mixing the question must be asked, what are you trying to produce. If money is the answer you're being irresponsible with your bitches life.

So if I gave this breeder a call what questions should I ask? I just have no idea what I would be willing to pay for one.