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britt · 06-14-2008, 11:08 PM

If a pup is guaranteed to be "small" or under 5lbs and the puppy grows to 7lbs at 10 months, does anyone know if the breeder can be made to resolve the matter by a refund of some kind or another puppy, please? I am a pensioner and always craved a tiny 3-4 ib yorkie but couldn't afford one until now. I saw an ad guaranteeing "tiny" and "small" pups and phoned. I was shown a puppy that I had seen a photo on their site and he was 12 weeks and weighed 2 1/2 lbs. He was so adorable, i trusted the breeder when she estimated the pup would grow no more than 5 lbs. and I paid a high price as he was "an exclusive teddy yorkie from Brazil". There were no papers but I insisted that a pedigree should be available for a purebred puppy and she finally agreed if I had a chip implanted and get the vet to confirm that the chip was planted. I have done this, sent the vet's letter and am waiting for the next step from her. I have paid an exorbitant price for puppy that at 7lbs is standard size so I did not get what I paid for. Is thee any advice as to how I cen get compensation in some form? Thanks for listening

britt

belindaY · 06-15-2008, 03:49 AM

I'm so sorry that you appear to have been somewhat scammed. I doubt you have any legal recourse and the costs of pursuing any would probably be prohibitive. Your puppy is fully grown now, so please just love him as a wonderful companion. A reputable breeder wouldn't make promises regarding size unless they were willing to back them up. I don't understand what the microchip has to do with releasing pedigree information either. Also, remember that although the tiny ones are very cute, the bigger ones are generally nicer pets.

yoyo27 · 06-15-2008, 04:06 AM

Well its very hard to even think you would get your money back. Have you called this breeder or person again? What did they tell you? Most breeders never guarantee the sizes. You can even see the parents and that doesn't really mean a whole lot when your puppy could grow bigger. Did you know this person you got your puppy from and had you researched them and talked to others that had gotten dogs from them? We all learn the hard way sometimes and this sounds like you might have been taken. There are more and more of these people out there and it takes a long time to to collect information before purchasing. Its a hard rule to have to learn. But here at YT its easier to check around and find out about different people/breeders in an area before purchasing and see if anyone knows about them. Sorry you are unhappy. But I hope you can love this dog, its not his fault.

isaruss52 · 06-15-2008, 04:46 AM

Hello, my family are owners of 2 "normal" sized Yorkies and they are absolutely wonderful, they can sit on your lap as well as any 3 to 4 pounder there is. They are very protective and friendlly. My nephew has a little one and has had to take it to the vet with problems from the start. I personally love the sizes of my babies. I wouldn't worry to much about even trying to get my money back, they are well worth it at any price. My advice to you is to just love it no matter what size. Good luck to you.

janedks3406 · 06-15-2008, 04:55 AM

If you don't mind me asking, who was the breeder? Was she right from BC or from Alberta?

ckuz13 · 06-15-2008, 07:29 AM

I am sorry you are upset that your yorkie is bigger then expected..quite honestly I think you made out pretty good. You have a standard size yorkie, healthy, I assume. Now, imagine if your yorkie was 3lbs and suffered from liver shunt or hypoglycemia. Or your pup grew to be 12lbs..I think you have the perfect size. Read all the threads on liver shunt and hypoglycemia and you might feel a lot better about your yorkie..plus 7lbs is still a very small dog.

JaLaYorkieGirl · 06-15-2008, 08:28 AM

All you can do is go by what the written guarantee promised. Unless you have something in writing saying that the breeder guaranteed size and would do" such and such" if it exceeded the guaranteed weight then I do not think you have any recourse.

I personally will never guarantee a puppy's weight, genetics have all the control and I just am not able to see into the future. All I can do is know my lines and make the best possible estimation.

If the puppy was brokered then I doubt the breeder would be able to estimate adult size not knowing and working with the lines firsthand.

I always recommend to people wanting to buy a smaller yorkie to buy one that is 6-12 months old. Still not a guarantee but your chances of knowing adult weight is so much better.

artie merlino · 06-15-2008, 09:32 AM

A Breeder can't "Gaurantee" size, they cannot predict it!
At the time I bred Artie he was 7 lbs. and now @ 4 1/2 yrs. old he is 10 lbs.
At the time I bred Abigail with Artie she was 8 lbs. and now @ 3 yrs.
she's 9 lbs.
But Tiffany their puppy is 1 yr. and 9 months old, she is only 4 1/2 lbs.
I recently saw a male puppy from the same Litter and he was only 5 lbs.
I was expecting them to be bigger, so when they ended up smaller it was a Bonus. I Love each of them regardless of what size they are now!
Most Breeder's sell their Puppies too young so they are much smaller and lie about their age. It's sad that every one always wants a tiny one.
I worry much more with the smaller one......her head gets stuck in the Shopping cart, if you're not watching her she is more accident prone and not as sturdy as her Parents. She is very Healthy due to her Breeding, but her size makes her a higher risk for falling, jumping, big Dog Attacks!
Most Breeder's know you will fall in Love with the puppy once you get it and the size won't be an issue, not enough to pursue "Legally" any way.
You have to ask yourself is it really worth your time & energy?
I'm Sorry this Breeder took advantage of you. When I was selling my puppies, I got alot of calls wanting a "Teacup" that's all they wanted they did'nt care about the 14 Champions in their Pedigree! Love your Yorkie and be "Thankful"
that you have one to Love. Good Luck in your pursuit but it sounds like the Breeder is still not cooperating and I doubt if they compensate you.

ckuz13 · 06-15-2008, 10:04 AM

This is so ironic because I almost went to see a breeders pup yesterday that she predicts will be 3lbs..she is 11 weeks and is only1lb and 6.0z..I figure she may end up only a little over 2lbs..I don't want to buy her because she may be too small. This scares me..Although I am tempted to go see her I think I might be asking for a world of heartache..She also may be healthy as a horse..but without enough research on the breeders history I am taking a huge risk...

TLC · 06-15-2008, 10:16 AM

I have a feeling I have read about this very breeder here on YT. I think their are other YTers that purchased from her and others that were warned to stay away. I can't remember the name, but she was in Canada and she was really, reaaly young and she also shipped Yorkies in from Brazil hmmm.....

Here, I did a search: Was it Deana Junk at LITTLE YORKIE KISS | WHERE YORKIES MEAN LOVE

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...er-broker.html

ckuz13 · 06-15-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by TLC

I have a feeling I have read about this very breeder here on YT. I think their are other YTers that purchased from her and others that were warned to stay away. I can't remember the name, but she was in Canada and she was really, reaaly young and she also shipped Yorkies in from Brazil hmmm.....

Here, I did a search: Was it Deana Junk at LITTLE YORKIE KISS | WHERE YORKIES MEAN LOVE

http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...er-broker.html

wow. that was a scary thread..I have done a lot of research and I swear if I lived in Canada and stumbled on her website I would have been easily influenced..it's the old bait and switch routine.

mscat · 06-15-2008, 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by britt

If a pup is guaranteed to be "small" or under 5lbs and the puppy grows to 7lbs at 10 months, does anyone know if the breeder can be made to resolve the matter by a refund of some kind or another puppy, please? I am a pensioner and always craved a tiny 3-4 ib yorkie but couldn't afford one until now. I saw an ad guaranteeing "tiny" and "small" pups and phoned. I was shown a puppy that I had seen a photo on their site and he was 12 weeks and weighed 2 1/2 lbs. He was so adorable, i trusted the breeder when she estimated the pup would grow no more than 5 lbs. and I paid a high price as he was "an exclusive teddy yorkie from Brazil". There were no papers but I insisted that a pedigree should be available for a purebred puppy and she finally agreed if I had a chip implanted and get the vet to confirm that the chip was planted. I have done this, sent the vet's letter and am waiting for the next step from her. I have paid an exorbitant price for puppy that at 7lbs is standard size so I did not get what I paid for. Is thee any advice as to how I cen get compensation in some form? Thanks for listening

britt

I am sorry this happened to you... However, I think the most important thing here is the health of your pup. I am uncertain as to why you wanted such a tiny puppy? If they are under the 2lb mark they can get very, ill, and have many health issues.
No onecan predicit how much a dog will weigh full grown. You were told what you wanted to hear. 7lbs is still a very small dog. Love the dog, please, and be grateful it is healthy.

I seriously doubt your going to recieve a refund.

SET Yorkies · 06-15-2008, 04:12 PM

I am going to start off saying that I am not fussing at you personally and I really really understand the frustrating nature of your situation...... There is a certain palatable disappointment that comes with realizing what you were promised isn't what you received. Although, there were some red flags I'm sure you see in retrospect and do not need me or anyone else to point out....If I were you, I would really evaluate this on a personal level as matters of Dog Law are well, probably not in your favor.... I want you to bear in mind, some of my favorite dogs have been my "ugliest" biggest rowdiest.... Some of my most beautiful perfectly proportioned dogs are real A**es and would make poor family pets. You may wish to stop reading here as I am only taking this opportunity to remind potential buyers how important reputable breeders are...... How do you find one of those....LOTS and LOTS of VISITS WITH LOTS OF BREEDERS FROM LOTS OF PLACES ASKING LOTS OF QUESTIONS...... If you don't have a list of questions a quick post on this board asking for lists of questions will provide you with more than you needed, I Promise......

However, for those thinking about purchasing a puppy and unafraid to read on... here goes the rant....
Use the following formula to approximate size at maturity: 3 x the weight at 8 weeks or 2 x the weight at 12 weeks in conjunction with a growth chart on which you track weight from birth to 12 wks and 2 generations of genetics. A consiencious breeder will have that info readily available for you the first time you ask. That breeder will also have a comprehensive log of Veterinarian records for you to peruse as well as permission granted to contact the veterinarian of record. (FYI: don't ask till you get there, don't even mention it on the phone)
Even with all the data in the world, most can't do any better than an educated guess on a 15 week old but the data will show you that you have found a true breeder consumed by the quality of what he or she produces and the happiness of his or her buyers. That breeder has put in countless hours of real nose to the grindstone record keeping and hours of observation. It is always good to bear in mind that a 2 lb sire and 4 lb dam can easily produce a 10lb puppy at maturity. Dog genetics are no different than two right handed parents producing a lefty. As goes the world of dog genetics. I think what frustrates me the most are the two sides of that coin.... uneducated breeders who have never opened a book on genetics and don't intend to as well as buyers who pursue the concept of the ideal pet, but take no time to search out a top notch breeder. In fact size should never be the sole selling point.Descriptive words are never a guarantee.... You may end up with a 6 lb "tea cup" if you aren't careful. Also, breeder records are invaluable as to what size dogs any Dam / Sire combination may produce. Occasionally puppies will weigh less than 3 lbs at maturity. Our breeding program has produced several under 2's who have never had one health problem, others that die prior to 15 wks or just after. Be aware, you are just getting a description and nothing more, nothing special. All breeders are pulled into that fad description game at one time or another... I know i've been there.... Competing in the dog market is only getting harder. It is really difficult to swallow losing a sale to a "back yard breeder" who lists the word teacup in the ad and hasn't the first inkling of knowledge about the breed while you bust your rear everyday... I know, I sound a bit agitated, yes.... If buyers continue to reward poor breeders with poor practices, it simply won't matter anymore anyway.... Nothing that resembles a healthy Yorkie will be left. Reputable breeders do not gear breeding programs around producing puppies that are less than 3 lbs, but selling a puppy that will make a quality pets is acceptable no mater the size. In fact, a 2lb puppy produced out of a kennel routinely producing 5 lb or larger dogs is coming out of a healthy breeding program, IMO... Buyers must ask questions.... I'm going to stop here because I think I'm just making myself mad rather than making a point....

Nancy1999 · 06-15-2008, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SET Yorkies

I am going to start off saying that I am not fussing at you personally and I really really understand the frustrating nature of your situation...... There is a certain palatable disappointment that comes with realizing what you were promised isn't what you received. Although, there were some red flags I'm sure you see in retrospect and do not need me or anyone else to point out....If I were you, I would really evaluate this on a personal level as matters of Dog Law are well, probably not in your favor.... I want you to bear in mind, some of my favorite dogs have been my "ugliest" biggest rowdiest.... Some of my most beautiful perfectly proportioned dogs are real A**es and would make poor family pets. You may wish to stop reading here as I am only taking this opportunity to remind potential buyers how important reputable breeders are...... How do you find one of those....LOTS and LOTS of VISITS WITH LOTS OF BREEDERS FROM LOTS OF PLACES ASKING LOTS OF QUESTIONS...... If you don't have a list of questions a quick post on this board asking for lists of questions will provide you with more than you needed, I Promise......

However, for those thinking about purchasing a puppy and unafraid to read on... here goes the rant....
Use the following formula to approximate size at maturity: 3 x the weight at 8 weeks or 2 x the weight at 12 weeks in conjunction with a growth chart on which you track weight from birth to 12 wks and 2 generations of genetics. A consiencious breeder will have that info readily available for you the first time you ask. That breeder will also have a comprehensive log of Veterinarian records for you to peruse as well as permission granted to contact the veterinarian of record. (FYI: don't ask till you get there, don't even mention it on the phone)
Even with all the data in the world, most can't do any better than an educated guess on a 15 week old but the data will show you that you have found a true breeder consumed by the quality of what he or she produces and the happiness of his or her buyers. That breeder has put in countless hours of real nose to the grindstone record keeping and hours of observation. It is always good to bear in mind that a 2 lb sire and 4 lb dam can easily produce a 10lb puppy at maturity. Dog genetics are no different than two right handed parents producing a lefty. As goes the world of dog genetics. I think what frustrates me the most are the two sides of that coin.... uneducated breeders who have never opened a book on genetics and don't intend to as well as buyers who pursue the concept of the ideal pet, but take no time to search out a top notch breeder. In fact size should never be the sole selling point.Descriptive words are never a guarantee.... You may end up with a 6 lb "tea cup" if you aren't careful. Also, breeder records are invaluable as to what size dogs any Dam / Sire combination may produce. Occasionally puppies will weigh less than 3 lbs at maturity. Our breeding program has produced several under 2's who have never had one health problem, others that die prior to 15 wks or just after. Be aware, you are just getting a description and nothing more, nothing special. All breeders are pulled into that fad description game at one time or another... I know i've been there.... Competing in the dog market is only getting harder. It is really difficult to swallow losing a sale to a "back yard breeder" who lists the word teacup in the ad and hasn't the first inkling of knowledge about the breed while you bust your rear everyday... I know, I sound a bit agitated, yes.... If buyers continue to reward poor breeders with poor practices, it simply won't matter anymore anyway.... Nothing that resembles a healthy Yorkie will be left. Reputable breeders do not gear breeding programs around producing puppies that are less than 3 lbs, but selling a puppy that will make a quality pets is acceptable no mater the size. In fact, a 2lb puppy produced out of a kennel routinely producing 5 lb or larger dogs is coming out of a healthy breeding program, IMO... Buyers must ask questions.... I'm going to stop here because I think I'm just making myself mad rather than making a point....

Thank you for that wonderful post, it just kills me that so many people look for one trait and one trait only, and that’s size. There are so many other things to consider. I hate the way we continue rewarding backyard breeders and puppy millers, but until people start looking at other attributes that's the way it will be. It's impossible to find the absolute perfect specimen, and if it exists, it probably should be bred instead of just being placed in a pet home. Educate yourselves on the qualities a good breeder should have, and only support those breeders who have a great breeding program. Any of their pups should be "perfect" pets.

SET Yorkies, I just want you to know that there are many people out there that are so thankful for breeders like you.

yorkiekist · 06-15-2008, 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SET Yorkies

I am going to start off saying that I am not fussing at you personally and I really really understand the frustrating nature of your situation...... There is a certain palatable disappointment that comes with realizing what you were promised isn't what you received. Although, there were some red flags I'm sure you see in retrospect and do not need me or anyone else to point out....If I were you, I would really evaluate this on a personal level as matters of Dog Law are well, probably not in your favor.... I want you to bear in mind, some of my favorite dogs have been my "ugliest" biggest rowdiest.... Some of my most beautiful perfectly proportioned dogs are real A**es and would make poor family pets. You may wish to stop reading here as I am only taking this opportunity to remind potential buyers how important reputable breeders are...... How do you find one of those....LOTS and LOTS of VISITS WITH LOTS OF BREEDERS FROM LOTS OF PLACES ASKING LOTS OF QUESTIONS...... If you don't have a list of questions a quick post on this board asking for lists of questions will provide you with more than you needed, I Promise......

However, for those thinking about purchasing a puppy and unafraid to read on... here goes the rant....
Use the following formula to approximate size at maturity: 3 x the weight at 8 weeks or 2 x the weight at 12 weeks in conjunction with a growth chart on which you track weight from birth to 12 wks and 2 generations of genetics. A consiencious breeder will have that info readily available for you the first time you ask. That breeder will also have a comprehensive log of Veterinarian records for you to peruse as well as permission granted to contact the veterinarian of record. (FYI: don't ask till you get there, don't even mention it on the phone)
Even with all the data in the world, most can't do any better than an educated guess on a 15 week old but the data will show you that you have found a true breeder consumed by the quality of what he or she produces and the happiness of his or her buyers. That breeder has put in countless hours of real nose to the grindstone record keeping and hours of observation. It is always good to bear in mind that a 2 lb sire and 4 lb dam can easily produce a 10lb puppy at maturity. Dog genetics are no different than two right handed parents producing a lefty. As goes the world of dog genetics. I think what frustrates me the most are the two sides of that coin.... uneducated breeders who have never opened a book on genetics and don't intend to as well as buyers who pursue the concept of the ideal pet, but take no time to search out a top notch breeder. In fact size should never be the sole selling point.Descriptive words are never a guarantee.... You may end up with a 6 lb "tea cup" if you aren't careful. Also, breeder records are invaluable as to what size dogs any Dam / Sire combination may produce. Occasionally puppies will weigh less than 3 lbs at maturity. Our breeding program has produced several under 2's who have never had one health problem, others that die prior to 15 wks or just after. Be aware, you are just getting a description and nothing more, nothing special. All breeders are pulled into that fad description game at one time or another... I know i've been there.... Competing in the dog market is only getting harder. It is really difficult to swallow losing a sale to a "back yard breeder" who lists the word teacup in the ad and hasn't the first inkling of knowledge about the breed while you bust your rear everyday... I know, I sound a bit agitated, yes.... If buyers continue to reward poor breeders with poor practices, it simply won't matter anymore anyway.... Nothing that resembles a healthy Yorkie will be left. Reputable breeders do not gear breeding programs around producing puppies that are less than 3 lbs, but selling a puppy that will make a quality pets is acceptable no mater the size. In fact, a 2lb puppy produced out of a kennel routinely producing 5 lb or larger dogs is coming out of a healthy breeding program, IMO... Buyers must ask questions.... I'm going to stop here because I think I'm just making myself mad rather than making a point....

WELL SAID!!!!!!!!!!!

06-14-2008, 11:08 PM	#1
britt YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Abotsford BC Canada Posts: 5	buying from a reputable breeder If a pup is guaranteed to be "small" or under 5lbs and the puppy grows to 7lbs at 10 months, does anyone know if the breeder can be made to resolve the matter by a refund of some kind or another puppy, please? I am a pensioner and always craved a tiny 3-4 ib yorkie but couldn't afford one until now. I saw an ad guaranteeing "tiny" and "small" pups and phoned. I was shown a puppy that I had seen a photo on their site and he was 12 weeks and weighed 2 1/2 lbs. He was so adorable, i trusted the breeder when she estimated the pup would grow no more than 5 lbs. and I paid a high price as he was "an exclusive teddy yorkie from Brazil". There were no papers but I insisted that a pedigree should be available for a purebred puppy and she finally agreed if I had a chip implanted and get the vet to confirm that the chip was planted. I have done this, sent the vet's letter and am waiting for the next step from her. I have paid an exorbitant price for puppy that at 7lbs is standard size so I did not get what I paid for. Is thee any advice as to how I cen get compensation in some form? Thanks for listening britt

06-15-2008, 03:49 AM	#2
belindaY Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: redmond Posts: 132	This sounds bad--- I'm so sorry that you appear to have been somewhat scammed. I doubt you have any legal recourse and the costs of pursuing any would probably be prohibitive. Your puppy is fully grown now, so please just love him as a wonderful companion. A reputable breeder wouldn't make promises regarding size unless they were willing to back them up. I don't understand what the microchip has to do with releasing pedigree information either. Also, remember that although the tiny ones are very cute, the bigger ones are generally nicer pets. Last edited by belindaY; 06-15-2008 at 03:52 AM.

06-15-2008, 04:06 AM	#3
yoyo27 Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,741	Well its very hard to even think you would get your money back. Have you called this breeder or person again? What did they tell you? Most breeders never guarantee the sizes. You can even see the parents and that doesn't really mean a whole lot when your puppy could grow bigger. Did you know this person you got your puppy from and had you researched them and talked to others that had gotten dogs from them? We all learn the hard way sometimes and this sounds like you might have been taken. There are more and more of these people out there and it takes a long time to to collect information before purchasing. Its a hard rule to have to learn. But here at YT its easier to check around and find out about different people/breeders in an area before purchasing and see if anyone knows about them. Sorry you are unhappy. But I hope you can love this dog, its not his fault. __________________ " Santa's on his Way! From: Cali, Cinnamon, and Zoie.

06-15-2008, 04:55 AM	#5
janedks3406 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: canada Posts: 627	If you don't mind me asking, who was the breeder? Was she right from BC or from Alberta? __________________ Peeka~Emerald~Heale

06-15-2008, 08:28 AM	#7
JaLaYorkieGirl YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,079	All you can do is go by what the written guarantee promised. Unless you have something in writing saying that the breeder guaranteed size and would do" such and such" if it exceeded the guaranteed weight then I do not think you have any recourse. I personally will never guarantee a puppy's weight, genetics have all the control and I just am not able to see into the future. All I can do is know my lines and make the best possible estimation. If the puppy was brokered then I doubt the breeder would be able to estimate adult size not knowing and working with the lines firsthand. I always recommend to people wanting to buy a smaller yorkie to buy one that is 6-12 months old. Still not a guarantee but your chances of knowing adult weight is so much better. __________________ Jackie JaLa Yorkshire Terriers

06-15-2008, 04:46 AM	#4
isaruss52 Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: VB, MO Posts: 52	Hello, my family are owners of 2 "normal" sized Yorkies and they are absolutely wonderful, they can sit on your lap as well as any 3 to 4 pounder there is. They are very protective and friendlly. My nephew has a little one and has had to take it to the vet with problems from the start. I personally love the sizes of my babies. I wouldn't worry to much about even trying to get my money back, they are well worth it at any price. My advice to you is to just love it no matter what size. Good luck to you.

06-15-2008, 07:29 AM	#6
ckuz13 YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sunny Arizona Posts: 351	I am sorry you are upset that your yorkie is bigger then expected..quite honestly I think you made out pretty good. You have a standard size yorkie, healthy, I assume. Now, imagine if your yorkie was 3lbs and suffered from liver shunt or hypoglycemia. Or your pup grew to be 12lbs..I think you have the perfect size. Read all the threads on liver shunt and hypoglycemia and you might feel a lot better about your yorkie..plus 7lbs is still a very small dog.

06-15-2008, 09:32 AM	#8
artie merlino YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Myrtle Beach,SC Posts: 697	No Gaurantees A Breeder can't "Gaurantee" size, they cannot predict it! At the time I bred Artie he was 7 lbs. and now @ 4 1/2 yrs. old he is 10 lbs. At the time I bred Abigail with Artie she was 8 lbs. and now @ 3 yrs. she's 9 lbs. But Tiffany their puppy is 1 yr. and 9 months old, she is only 4 1/2 lbs. I recently saw a male puppy from the same Litter and he was only 5 lbs. I was expecting them to be bigger, so when they ended up smaller it was a Bonus. I Love each of them regardless of what size they are now! Most Breeder's sell their Puppies too young so they are much smaller and lie about their age. It's sad that every one always wants a tiny one. I worry much more with the smaller one......her head gets stuck in the Shopping cart, if you're not watching her she is more accident prone and not as sturdy as her Parents. She is very Healthy due to her Breeding, but her size makes her a higher risk for falling, jumping, big Dog Attacks! Most Breeder's know you will fall in Love with the puppy once you get it and the size won't be an issue, not enough to pursue "Legally" any way. You have to ask yourself is it really worth your time & energy? I'm Sorry this Breeder took advantage of you. When I was selling my puppies, I got alot of calls wanting a "Teacup" that's all they wanted they did'nt care about the 14 Champions in their Pedigree! Love your Yorkie and be "Thankful" that you have one to Love. Good Luck in your pursuit but it sounds like the Breeder is still not cooperating and I doubt if they compensate you.

06-15-2008, 10:04 AM	#9
ckuz13 YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Sunny Arizona Posts: 351	This is so ironic because I almost went to see a breeders pup yesterday that she predicts will be 3lbs..she is 11 weeks and is only1lb and 6.0z..I figure she may end up only a little over 2lbs..I don't want to buy her because she may be too small. This scares me..Although I am tempted to go see her I think I might be asking for a world of heartache..She also may be healthy as a horse..but without enough research on the breeders history I am taking a huge risk...

06-15-2008, 10:16 AM	#10
TLC Slave to My Rug-Rats Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Long Island Posts: 7,247	I have a feeling I have read about this very breeder here on YT. I think their are other YTers that purchased from her and others that were warned to stay away. I can't remember the name, but she was in Canada and she was really, reaaly young and she also shipped Yorkies in from Brazil hmmm..... Here, I did a search: Was it Deana Junk at LITTLE YORKIE KISS \| WHERE YORKIES MEAN LOVE http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/bre...er-broker.html __________________ Adopt Donate Foster www.yorkie911rescue.com

06-15-2008, 04:12 PM	#13
SET Yorkies Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2007 Location: Beaumont Texas Posts: 285	Does size really matter.... the age old question I am going to start off saying that I am not fussing at you personally and I really really understand the frustrating nature of your situation...... There is a certain palatable disappointment that comes with realizing what you were promised isn't what you received. Although, there were some red flags I'm sure you see in retrospect and do not need me or anyone else to point out....If I were you, I would really evaluate this on a personal level as matters of Dog Law are well, probably not in your favor.... I want you to bear in mind, some of my favorite dogs have been my "ugliest" biggest rowdiest.... Some of my most beautiful perfectly proportioned dogs are real A**es and would make poor family pets. You may wish to stop reading here as I am only taking this opportunity to remind potential buyers how important reputable breeders are...... How do you find one of those....LOTS and LOTS of VISITS WITH LOTS OF BREEDERS FROM LOTS OF PLACES ASKING LOTS OF QUESTIONS...... If you don't have a list of questions a quick post on this board asking for lists of questions will provide you with more than you needed, I Promise...... However, for those thinking about purchasing a puppy and unafraid to read on... here goes the rant.... Use the following formula to approximate size at maturity: 3 x the weight at 8 weeks or 2 x the weight at 12 weeks in conjunction with a growth chart on which you track weight from birth to 12 wks and 2 generations of genetics. A consiencious breeder will have that info readily available for you the first time you ask. That breeder will also have a comprehensive log of Veterinarian records for you to peruse as well as permission granted to contact the veterinarian of record. (FYI: don't ask till you get there, don't even mention it on the phone) Even with all the data in the world, most can't do any better than an educated guess on a 15 week old but the data will show you that you have found a true breeder consumed by the quality of what he or she produces and the happiness of his or her buyers. That breeder has put in countless hours of real nose to the grindstone record keeping and hours of observation. It is always good to bear in mind that a 2 lb sire and 4 lb dam can easily produce a 10lb puppy at maturity. Dog genetics are no different than two right handed parents producing a lefty. As goes the world of dog genetics. I think what frustrates me the most are the two sides of that coin.... uneducated breeders who have never opened a book on genetics and don't intend to as well as buyers who pursue the concept of the ideal pet, but take no time to search out a top notch breeder. In fact size should never be the sole selling point.Descriptive words are never a guarantee.... You may end up with a 6 lb "tea cup" if you aren't careful. Also, breeder records are invaluable as to what size dogs any Dam / Sire combination may produce. Occasionally puppies will weigh less than 3 lbs at maturity. Our breeding program has produced several under 2's who have never had one health problem, others that die prior to 15 wks or just after. Be aware, you are just getting a description and nothing more, nothing special. All breeders are pulled into that fad description game at one time or another... I know i've been there.... Competing in the dog market is only getting harder. It is really difficult to swallow losing a sale to a "back yard breeder" who lists the word teacup in the ad and hasn't the first inkling of knowledge about the breed while you bust your rear everyday... I know, I sound a bit agitated, yes.... If buyers continue to reward poor breeders with poor practices, it simply won't matter anymore anyway.... Nothing that resembles a healthy Yorkie will be left. Reputable breeders do not gear breeding programs around producing puppies that are less than 3 lbs, but selling a puppy that will make a quality pets is acceptable no mater the size. In fact, a 2lb puppy produced out of a kennel routinely producing 5 lb or larger dogs is coming out of a healthy breeding program, IMO... Buyers must ask questions.... I'm going to stop here because I think I'm just making myself mad rather than making a point....