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myyorkies8 · 05-15-2008, 05:08 PM

not a mark on either of them. what could she have done without putting a mark on him? the vet said she could of broke his neck by grabbing him...but like i said i did not see it happen. my yard is fenced and i have decks and pool and i let them out to go potty and went to let them back in and thats what i found....it has to be her....none of the others are as protective as her...her babies are in the house while they are outside. i'm not taking any chances if it is her. i thought there might have been poisen some where or spider bite...i thought of everything...not know is the hardest....and thinking its her is too.

bjh · 05-15-2008, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by myyorkies8

not a mark on either of them. what could she have done without putting a mark on him? the vet said she could of broke his neck by grabbing him...but like i said i did not see it happen. my yard is fenced and i have decks and pool and i let them out to go potty and went to let them back in and thats what i found....it has to be her....none of the others are as protective as her...her babies are in the house while they are outside. i'm not taking any chances if it is her. i thought there might have been poisen some where or spider bite...i thought of everything...not know is the hardest....and thinking its her is too.

I am so confused....you found your dog dead, without a mark but you think your female killed him? It does not sound like she killed him. Maybe he got excited and had a heart attack or maybe he choked on something. I know last year a certain heart worm preventative was causing dogs to drop dead. I know you are devastated by all this. I am sorry for your loss.

Txgurl06 · 05-15-2008, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by crystalsmom

I did not want to post again but you are reading my post all wrong and even though I post again to explain it, it probably won't change your mind so I really don't know why I am about to waste my time. But....

I never said the owner was not at fault, in fact I think there should be no less than a $5000 fine on the record so we know how many times these people have allowed this to happen and get away with it. In some cases the owner should go to jail. What I did say was that only blaming the owner is not fixing the problem. The dog is a killer. I also said the owner was irresponsible and I think it best you read all posts.

sorry for misreading!

Txgurl06 · 05-15-2008, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by myyorkies8

okay i have now read all the post and let me tell you my side...for 1 i just lost a fur child and have not been on here to repond because i have been busy!!!!!!! she didn't kill 3 it was 2...not that thats any better..but i am not sure she killed boo boo i just asumed it because she is the agressive one out of the bunch and they were outside going potty when it happend!!!! rambo had cancer and had to be put down. did i witness the killing NO!!!!!!!!!! i am asumming it was her because i know how she is. i'm not keeping her because i breed her it is because i love her and all my fur kidz!!!!!!! my dogs went outside to go potty and it happend!!!!!why do some of you feel beeing rude and bit**ing is what this thread needed? and i have no reason to have to defend myself to any of yall complaining that i was in the wrong!!!!!! yes i am a groomer...an excellent groomer and i don't have her around any of them or when i dog sit. i won't be getting rid of any of my dogs they are my fur kids and i realy don't care what some of you think...you have not been in that situaion and it could happen to anyone and i did not think she would go to that extreme...but no i did not see it....there was not a mark on either of them.nowhere!!!! and none were sick or had any health problems. so it has to be her. she will not be around them again! i take care of my dogs and don't like people saying i don't! i had people here buying a puppy when it happend. i let them out and answered the door and went to let them back in and about 15 minutes later to show the people the parents of the baby they wanted and saw him laying on the deck...i was heart broken. they were barking when the people were here and didn't here and dogs fighting so i think it was her because she is the leader here and i am keeping her seperated so it don't happen again. i don't need to defend myself and was not avoiding answering anything...this is the first i have been on here in a few days. i have a vet tech that works for me and all my dogs are taken care of 100% and i'm sorry some of you feel that i did something wrong...i would of never thought that would happen. but i know it won't again i promise you that.

you asked for advice and so we gave it going off your original post. Maybe you should go back and reread your first post to see how all this could have been mistaken by us. From what i read you said she killed 2 dogs and were asking for advice and so people gave it going on your details. Now you are saying more and explaining better i think a lot of people might change their opinions. not saying i would but maybe some.

so reread and see how this could have gotten all mixed up.

sammiz · 05-15-2008, 07:23 PM

I am so sorry that any of this happened to your babies and to you. I would also like to say that I don't think I would have made a post like that and stayed away from the forum for a few days. That was a pretty provocative post that would make many want to respond.

I think it started going a bit south because there was no input from you. It would have helped, I think.

It is a fearsome thing to have an animal that kills your other animals. It provokes deep feelings in folks. I am not making excuses for anyone. I just think it was an emotional post and drew out emotional responses.

All the best to you and your babies. I do hope that you are successful in keeping her separate from the others and are able to avert further tragedy, for them and for yourself. What a nightmarish experience!

LuvmyYorkies2 · 05-15-2008, 07:43 PM

I know this is a difficult situation for you. Maybe you should still reach out to YorkieK9trainer to maybe evaluate her...it's awfully nice to offer free services...wouldn't hurt. Maybe she didn't do it but if you're saying you know she the aggressor of the bunch, it wouldn't hurt to see what her probabilities are or may be in the future. You've had her for so long and I would hate to think she has to be locked away from everyone after being used to being with everyone, including sleeping in the bed with you like everyone else, especially if her problem can be evaluated and fixed. Just a thought! I wish you the best of luck!

Sawyers mommy · 05-15-2008, 07:47 PM

I apologize for thinking it might have been a hoax. I was negligent in checking to see if you were a regular poster. I trulley am sorry. As for your girl; you know her best, and if you think she caused this, she probably did. After reading your response though, it seems there may have been reasons for the attacks. I had visions of little dogs being ripped up badly by a vicious female, that was not the case. The first time the whole pack was overly excited by someone at the door, and it could have been an accident. The second time she was probably defending her puppies. I still think she is overly aggressive; but working with a trainer might be the ticket to save her, and neutering her will definetly take her out of her position as head of the pack. Good luck, and please accept my apology. Sherry

Key2Yorkies · 05-15-2008, 07:48 PM

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Originally Posted by myyorkies8

not a mark on either of them. what could she have done without putting a mark on him? the vet said she could of broke his neck by grabbing him...but like i said i did not see it happen. my yard is fenced and i have decks and pool and i let them out to go potty and went to let them back in and thats what i found....it has to be her....none of the others are as protective as her...her babies are in the house while they are outside. i'm not taking any chances if it is her. i thought there might have been poisen some where or spider bite...i thought of everything...not know is the hardest....and thinking its her is too.

Wow that is so strange, I can kind of see how you gave her the benefit of the doubt & didn't want to believe it was her. I'm starting to feel the same way. But definitely think the worst unless you find something that may determine her innocence. I was thinking maybe Cocoa Bean Mulch which is deadly to dogs. Have you laid any of that lately?

mayers · 05-15-2008, 07:50 PM

OK everybody calmmm downnn. Myyorkies is back in the loop, I think that may have been causing a lot of the angst in this thread. Don't throw a whopper then bail out, the questions keep building until people are throwing stones. I know you were upset and needed consoling and answers. However this really upsets anyone who loves animals.

1st she's not too old but she is getting there so it would be good to retire her. Obviously Lolley is a very devoted mom. I work with wild animals (primates) and I know that a female, especially a dominant female, will not hesitate to defend her babies to the death. Can't say that about Lolley because there is no direct evidence that she did it.

2nd, keep new moms, especially dominant moms, segregated with their pups until they are at least two weeks old. Why ask for trouble? It's good for mom and baby bonding. Even then only allow trusted females with them. Lolley will probably (hopefully) be a very good aunt to the other pups. I do not think it is a good idea to let the males with the pups. They don't offer anything useful, they get annoyed with the pups which pisses mom and aunts off. No offense but the guys are only good for making babies they do nothing when it comes to raising babies. I am totally serious about this but I am trying to make light. There is no big happy family when it comes to animals. Keep the males around to show perspective buyers but keep them away from mom until the kids are weaned.

Your original post was quite atrocious and it wasn't until you came back and explained that it was your assumption that Lolley killed them. Not many people follow my advice because I work with monkeys but they could cure most of the worlds ills if people would only listened.

Good luck, I hope Lolley makes a fine aunt.

Melissa and Rambeau (I never met a monkey didn't like, then again, I never met a monkey

)

Belamia · 05-15-2008, 09:02 PM

I never knew a yorkie could kill another dog , I am still in doubt myself.... I can not understand why the person that started did thinks her lollie killed the other 2 that died suddenlly... wouldn't she hear them fighting at least? To kill a dog is not easy, would it be a battle????? i think she is looking at the wrong "killer" poison would be my first guess, but anyways: DID YOU GET A OUTOPSY done??????? it could tell you something.... i hear about a dog that died suddenlly of some intestinal complication i can not spell but something like this"intussusception" or closed to that, suden and silent... i do not know the person who lost the dog, but from who i heard i can assure it happened and it was a young yorkie healthy apparently.... I think more investigating could have being done.... anyways i really want to find out: Anyone else ever saw or know of a "killer yorkie" I want to know.

crystalsmom · 05-16-2008, 02:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Txgurl06

sorry for misreading!

That's ok sweetie, this thread has been so confusing

nydia · 05-16-2008, 05:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Epsilon

I was one of the first ones to read this post, but didn't reply in fear of being insensitive and mean. But I can't help myself, I need to say it.

Now that it is a yorkie that is doing the killing, it seems as though no one (besides maybe 3) have mentioned having this yorkie pts. I believe that any dog that kills other dogs needs to be pts regardless of breed or size. An aggressive dog will always be aggressive. It is terribly sad and depressing, but I believe it is the right thing to do.

I don't agree with this post, I'm a big fan of the Dog Whisperer and I'm not sure how many of you watch that show but there have been some extremely aggressive dogs on that show big and small that he has completely rehabilitated. I don't agree with putting an animal to sleep if you haven't tried everything else first, rule out a health issue by taking her to the vet, try a behavior specialist, try and rehome her, if none of those things work then put her to sleep, but putting a dog to sleep should always be the last option. Some dogs can be rehabilitated even if they killed three other dogs.

bonmur · 05-16-2008, 06:07 AM

I have a female that is a little bigger and older than Ritz and Shellie. She has become a big bully and I absolutely have to keep her seperated at all times from my small dogs. I am almost positive she picked and killed my tiny shih tzu female when I was away having my baby. She attacked and would have killed my ritzy had I not caught her and she would kill every chicken I owned if I let her run with them.
I have noticed that the majority of her attacks come when she was in heat in her younger years. I have since gotten her spayed but, it hasnt helped. I jsut cannot trust her . I would hate to re-home her not because I am selfish but I dont want her to hurt anyone or anything in her new home. We have learned how to deal with her and although it is not hte perfect situation I think it is the best solution we can come up with. SHe loves to be with my daughters Older male Shih Tzu so that is who she is with when the other dogs ar getting their attention

crystalsmom · 05-16-2008, 06:11 AM

I think the problem here is we were told one thing and now that there is negative response we are told another. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all could call in a dog trainer and do you think it will happen here?

In lots of cases like this (not saying this person would or would not) but since being honest can't get them a re-home, they sell the dog and never tell the new owner what has happened to the dogs in their home. I sure hope that doesn't happen here. I think she said she is keeping the female

I'm out of here and going on a 12 step program to keep me out of this thread

sheilajom · 05-16-2008, 06:22 AM

It seems to me after having read all the posts by her that she has a lot of dogs 14 I think she said, and was keeping this one to breed with. She is having pups at 8 yo! I'm no breeder, but that seems too old to me. I bet after she gets the dog spayed after this last litter she will rehome her, because it seems to me she only kept her for breeding in the first place, otherwise why would she put her health above the health of the other dogs? I hope no one buys those pups from her. She doesn't need to stay in business. If she is not more responsible than this with the adults, I don't trust her with the pups!

05-15-2008, 05:08 PM	#166
myyorkies8 Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: illinois Posts: 262	answer not a mark on either of them. what could she have done without putting a mark on him? the vet said she could of broke his neck by grabbing him...but like i said i did not see it happen. my yard is fenced and i have decks and pool and i let them out to go potty and went to let them back in and thats what i found....it has to be her....none of the others are as protective as her...her babies are in the house while they are outside. i'm not taking any chances if it is her. i thought there might have been poisen some where or spider bite...i thought of everything...not know is the hardest....and thinking its her is too. __________________ ~Just 4 Pooches Grooming~LOLLIE,BITTY,MEME, KERMIE,GIZMO,ROMEO,ARMONI,CHLOE,TINKERBELL Daizey,Emma,Jack,Jilly,Bella

05-15-2008, 07:23 PM	#170
sammiz Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: PORTERVILLE, CA Posts: 1,093 Blog Entries: 2	I am so sorry that any of this happened to your babies and to you. I would also like to say that I don't think I would have made a post like that and stayed away from the forum for a few days. That was a pretty provocative post that would make many want to respond. I think it started going a bit south because there was no input from you. It would have helped, I think. It is a fearsome thing to have an animal that kills your other animals. It provokes deep feelings in folks. I am not making excuses for anyone. I just think it was an emotional post and drew out emotional responses. All the best to you and your babies. I do hope that you are successful in keeping her separate from the others and are able to avert further tragedy, for them and for yourself. What a nightmarish experience! __________________ Man is the Only Animal that Blushes. Or needs to. ~Mark Twain

05-15-2008, 07:43 PM	#171
LuvmyYorkies2 Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Maryland Posts: 854	I know this is a difficult situation for you. Maybe you should still reach out to YorkieK9trainer to maybe evaluate her...it's awfully nice to offer free services...wouldn't hurt. Maybe she didn't do it but if you're saying you know she the aggressor of the bunch, it wouldn't hurt to see what her probabilities are or may be in the future. You've had her for so long and I would hate to think she has to be locked away from everyone after being used to being with everyone, including sleeping in the bed with you like everyone else, especially if her problem can be evaluated and fixed. Just a thought! I wish you the best of luck! __________________ Yolanda Diva, Foxxy & Duchess Members of the PINK & CrAzY CLuBs

05-15-2008, 07:47 PM	#172
Sawyers mommy Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: fla Posts: 619	I apologize for thinking it might have been a hoax. I was negligent in checking to see if you were a regular poster. I trulley am sorry. As for your girl; you know her best, and if you think she caused this, she probably did. After reading your response though, it seems there may have been reasons for the attacks. I had visions of little dogs being ripped up badly by a vicious female, that was not the case. The first time the whole pack was overly excited by someone at the door, and it could have been an accident. The second time she was probably defending her puppies. I still think she is overly aggressive; but working with a trainer might be the ticket to save her, and neutering her will definetly take her out of her position as head of the pack. Good luck, and please accept my apology. Sherry __________________ Sawyers Mommy: Proud member of the Spoiled rotten Club

05-15-2008, 09:02 PM	#175
Belamia Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Salem Posts: 94	Wow>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I never knew a yorkie could kill another dog , I am still in doubt myself.... I can not understand why the person that started did thinks her lollie killed the other 2 that died suddenlly... wouldn't she hear them fighting at least? To kill a dog is not easy, would it be a battle????? i think she is looking at the wrong "killer" poison would be my first guess, but anyways: DID YOU GET A OUTOPSY done??????? it could tell you something.... i hear about a dog that died suddenlly of some intestinal complication i can not spell but something like this"intussusception" or closed to that, suden and silent... i do not know the person who lost the dog, but from who i heard i can assure it happened and it was a young yorkie healthy apparently.... I think more investigating could have being done.... anyways i really want to find out: Anyone else ever saw or know of a "killer yorkie" I want to know. __________________ "You can say any fool thing to a dog, and the dog will give you this look that says, `My God, you're RIGHT! I NEVER would've thought of that!'" - Dave Barry

05-15-2008, 07:50 PM	#174
mayers Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: May 2008 Location: North Carolina Posts: 90	OK everybody calmmm downnn. Myyorkies is back in the loop, I think that may have been causing a lot of the angst in this thread. Don't throw a whopper then bail out, the questions keep building until people are throwing stones. I know you were upset and needed consoling and answers. However this really upsets anyone who loves animals. 1st she's not too old but she is getting there so it would be good to retire her. Obviously Lolley is a very devoted mom. I work with wild animals (primates) and I know that a female, especially a dominant female, will not hesitate to defend her babies to the death. Can't say that about Lolley because there is no direct evidence that she did it. 2nd, keep new moms, especially dominant moms, segregated with their pups until they are at least two weeks old. Why ask for trouble? It's good for mom and baby bonding. Even then only allow trusted females with them. Lolley will probably (hopefully) be a very good aunt to the other pups. I do not think it is a good idea to let the males with the pups. They don't offer anything useful, they get annoyed with the pups which pisses mom and aunts off. No offense but the guys are only good for making babies they do nothing when it comes to raising babies. I am totally serious about this but I am trying to make light. There is no big happy family when it comes to animals. Keep the males around to show perspective buyers but keep them away from mom until the kids are weaned. Your original post was quite atrocious and it wasn't until you came back and explained that it was your assumption that Lolley killed them. Not many people follow my advice because I work with monkeys but they could cure most of the worlds ills if people would only listened. Good luck, I hope Lolley makes a fine aunt. Melissa and Rambeau (I never met a monkey didn't like, then again, I never met a monkey )

05-16-2008, 06:07 AM	#178
bonmur YT Addict Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: UT Posts: 303	I have a female that is a little bigger and older than Ritz and Shellie. She has become a big bully and I absolutely have to keep her seperated at all times from my small dogs. I am almost positive she picked and killed my tiny shih tzu female when I was away having my baby. She attacked and would have killed my ritzy had I not caught her and she would kill every chicken I owned if I let her run with them. I have noticed that the majority of her attacks come when she was in heat in her younger years. I have since gotten her spayed but, it hasnt helped. I jsut cannot trust her . I would hate to re-home her not because I am selfish but I dont want her to hurt anyone or anything in her new home. We have learned how to deal with her and although it is not hte perfect situation I think it is the best solution we can come up with. SHe loves to be with my daughters Older male Shih Tzu so that is who she is with when the other dogs ar getting their attention

05-16-2008, 06:11 AM	#179
crystalsmom Donating YT 4000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Stow, Oh Posts: 4,618	I think the problem here is we were told one thing and now that there is negative response we are told another. Wouldn't it be wonderful if we all could call in a dog trainer and do you think it will happen here? In lots of cases like this (not saying this person would or would not) but since being honest can't get them a re-home, they sell the dog and never tell the new owner what has happened to the dogs in their home. I sure hope that doesn't happen here. I think she said she is keeping the female I'm out of here and going on a 12 step program to keep me out of this thread __________________ Joan Crystal, your adorable face will always be a picture in my heart

05-16-2008, 06:22 AM	#180
sheilajom YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 462 Blog Entries: 1	It seems to me after having read all the posts by her that she has a lot of dogs 14 I think she said, and was keeping this one to breed with. She is having pups at 8 yo! I'm no breeder, but that seems too old to me. I bet after she gets the dog spayed after this last litter she will rehome her, because it seems to me she only kept her for breeding in the first place, otherwise why would she put her health above the health of the other dogs? I hope no one buys those pups from her. She doesn't need to stay in business. If she is not more responsible than this with the adults, I don't trust her with the pups!