My female has killed anouther yorkie

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by crystalsmom

Exactly!! When people say it's not the dog that is the problem, it's the owner I don't see that taking care of the problem. The dog bites and kills not the owner. Of course the owner should be fined and take responsibility for not caring and doing what they should but the dog kills so would any responsible person pass their problem on to another??

Training should have come long before all this happened.

Megan, you are certainly thinking along the same lines I have been since I have been reading through all this. Do we have two standards here? If a lg. dog bites and kills put the dog down. If a yorkie bites and kills do anything but put the dog down???? I don't get it. Do we need a 17 yr. old to straighten out our thinking.

We don't have the OP to answer questions here so it is very hard, we can only go on what was written and what other found in past threads.

no we dont need a 17 yr old to straighten this out because A lot of us dont agree with the PTS part. I think if a big dog bit a small dog or even killed he should be given the same chances as the small dog. I dont see how yall can sit here and take away from the owners responsibilities as an owner im sorry!!!!

Also i think yorkierose (sorry if i messed up the name) stated that if a dog relapses then it wont change but guess what this dog was never given that chance to not relapse!!! It was never helped or even tried to be helped, the owner kept putting this dog in the same situation over and over again without getting it help. do you see where im coming from with this???? This dog was never given the help or even the chance to change , the owner kept bringing one new dog in after another each time they were killed.


so how is this not the owners fault??? how??? are yall not seeing something??

the same actions should be taken for a big dog. I know how much i love my babies and if one of them killed another (out of my babies) then of course i would be furious and sad but i would see this dog needed help and seeing how much i love the dog and knowing that the first mistake was made and i couldnt bring the other baby back i would be sure to help the dog that did it.


im sorry maybe i should quit posting because this is becoming a heated subject for me!

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by MeganS

OK, In response to the question asked of me (and this will be harsh) - NO I do not - in ANY way - think the owner has done everything possible. I think the first time this happened something should have been done with this dog. Or the second time.

I'm not going to sugar coat anymore - this dog is aggressive - it is a killer. If this were a pit bull everyone on here knows that the VAST MAJORITY of YTers would be saying to put this dog to sleep. Why is it a different situation because its a yorkie?

This dog is NOT safe. There shouldn't be another chance for her to kill or seriously injure another dog or child.

I'm one of the last people in the world who gets on the "put the dog to sleep" train, but for me, this is a very different case. This isn't a once-in-a-lifetime thing. This dog has a serious problem.

Sorry if I'm offending anyone here or whatever. But I, as a dog lover, would rather see one dog pts peacefully than God knows how many others killed tragically by her.

It killed 3 times because it was never helped the first time!!! It was put in the same situation over and over!!! look at what your writing!!!!!!! omg! How can it be the dogs fault when it wasnt corrected??? Dogs do things they arent suppose to and its up to us as an owner to correct that right??? If we dont then they will keep doing it!! same as this situation! it has nothing to do with big or small it has to do with the owner not even helping this dog!!!! so megan do you think if the dog was corrected after the first kill that there was any possible chance he might not have done it again?

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by izzierj

I know people are telling you to re home her, but wouldn't it make more sense to keep her and rehome the others? Afterall, you know her temperment and personality and can probably control her if she's alone...Can the "new owners "guarantee that? I wouldn't want to take the chance of the 'new owners" putting up with a dog with issues and find out they put her to sleep...! I'm sure you still love her, it could be an imbalance of hormones or something...Hope you find your answer...

i think one or the other is fine! but apparently this owner insists on having multiple dogs no matter if this dog has these problems or not.

[sheilajom]

Originally Posted by Txgurl06

i think one or the other is fine! but apparently this owner insists on having multiple dogs no matter if this dog has these problems or not.

That would be because she breeds them, shows them and grooms them! YIKES!!!

[Key2Yorkies]

I think many of us are feeling that it was irresponsible of her. I wish she would offer some input here in her own defense. Maybe her silence is like I said B4 her admission of feeling responsible for what happened. I truly feel bad for her & her surviving dogs believe it or not especially Lolly. I tried to help with my little story about my 2 girls. I think we all just want to help, but it just gets frustrating when somebody posts something so horrible & then cop out on responding to all concerned.

[MeganS]

Originally Posted by Txgurl06

It killed 3 times because it was never helped the first time!!! It was put in the same situation over and over!!! look at what your writing!!!!!!! omg! How can it be the dogs fault when it wasnt corrected??? Dogs do things they arent suppose to and its up to us as an owner to correct that right??? If we dont then they will keep doing it!! same as this situation! it has nothing to do with big or small it has to do with the owner not even helping this dog!!!! so megan do you think if the dog was corrected after the first kill that there was any possible chance he might not have done it again?

I'm wondering if you've read any of my other posts on dog fights? I KNOW that it wasn't the dog's fault. I KNOW that the dog has been put in the situation so many times so it had the chance. MAYBE if it was corrected then it wouldn't happen again. My point is, I don't think its worth the risk. I don't think its worth risking the welfare of any small child or dog that may wander into this dog's path. There is something MENTALLY wrong with a dog that will fight to the death 3 times. Whether its from not being trained properly or some other reason, there is something wrong with this dog and no one knows if it will attack again.

here's my question for you. If you were out walking your dog, and this dog happened to walk past you (on a leash) and attacked your dog and killed it, would you still think it deserved another chance? Or would you think its not worth the risk for anyone else to lose their dog?

[mayers]

PM and tell me exactly what is happening. I am new to this forum but I have devoted 20 years of my life to animal behavior and I have had a lot of pets. My boys are dealing with aggression issues right now, but we have it 'under control'. My boys are 100 and 120 lbs and they have not killed anyone yet. If there is killing involved you need to deal with it ASAP! mayers@wfubmc.edu

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by MeganS

I'm wondering if you've read any of my other posts on dog fights? I KNOW that it wasn't the dog's fault. I KNOW that the dog has been put in the situation so many times so it had the chance. MAYBE if it was corrected then it wouldn't happen again. My point is, I don't think its worth the risk. I don't think its worth risking the welfare of any small child or dog that may wander into this dog's path. There is something MENTALLY wrong with a dog that will fight to the death 3 times. Whether its from not being trained properly or some other reason, there is something wrong with this dog and no one knows if it will attack again.

here's my question for you. If you were out walking your dog, and this dog happened to walk past you (on a leash) and attacked your dog and killed it, would you still think it deserved another chance? Or would you think its not worth the risk for anyone else to lose their dog?

i would not want it put to sleep but it would be my choice and i would ask the judge for this dog to get help(court ordered). Sorry i just still dont agree with you and i dont think i will lol! so lets just agree to disagree. I dont feel the same way as you on the whole PTS situation. No matter what you say you wont convince me unless i know this dog has at least tried to be helped. if not then i still feel the same way! You and me can argue to the deaths on this but I see we have our own views on this and that neither of us are budging.


oh and like i said before apparently you havent read any of my posts about big or small dogs killing other dogs.

[MeganS]

I agree that we should agree to disagree.

But first I have to say one thing: I'm with you that its the owner's fault. I think what we're not exactly seeing eye-to-eye on is when to help and when to say that its not worth the risk.

But I'll stop now. Cause it seems that neither of us is budging. I hope you don't think I've been ridiculous or immature about this, because I've been thinking very hard about my responses. As I'm sure you have.

No hard feelings.

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by MeganS

I agree that we should agree to disagree.

But first I have to say one thing: I'm with you that its the owner's fault. I think what we're not exactly seeing eye-to-eye on is when to help and when to say that its not worth the risk.

But I'll stop now. Cause it seems that neither of us is budging. I hope you don't think I've been ridiculous or immature about this, because I've been thinking very hard about my responses. As I'm sure you have.

No hard feelings.

lol no its all good!!! i know you and I are both long time members on here and that we cant agree on everything!! I know how much we both love animals!

I honestly just hope the OP has learned from this.

[Sawyers mommy]

I said last night that I suspected this thread was started just to cause controversy. The poster has not answered one question, or responded to any of the advice given. I didn't realize that their were so many yorkies with aggression problems; but, I must say , there are many good responses to the problem. we have a lot of caring responsible owners here. Even if we differ on our approach, we all agree that sticking our head in the sand is surely the way to more dead dogs. I personaly would be afraid that the dog would certainly attack again, and would have it humanely put to sleep; However, if I was brave enough to try to get help for the dog, or put it somewhere else with people that know the problem, and have no children or other dogs, and were reliable enough to handle the situation, I might have concidered that option. I am not going to say I am so sure my way is best for everyone, But it is best for me. The idea of a dog, killing not one but three other dogs, being left to possibly kill again, or God forbid, attack a child, is something I couldn't live with. If this is real, this owner is totally incompetent to raise even one dog let alone 6. Many people prove they are not fit to raise kids, or furkids. Sherry

[mayers]

Originally Posted by Onni

My heart goes out to you. Losing a family pet is always heartbreaking. {{{{Hugs}}}}

I can tell you from experience that terriers in general have the ability to be very agressive. We had a female Jack Russell and a female Mini Snauzer; both terriers and they got along great until one day for no apparent reason they changed and began to fight terribly, we knew it was only a matter of time before one of them died, so we re-homed our Mini Snauzer. Our female JRT was fine after that.

I would recomend either making Lolly the only dog or consider re-homing her. I would not have her put down, she is a terrier and doing what terriers do naturaly, being territorial. I would not however give her another opportunity to be territorial with another dog or child.

My prayers are with you and I hope that you are able to find a solution that
is good for your family and Lolly.

No offense but terriers get here name from Terra or going to ground (finding vermin). All dogs are territorial, they get that from their ancestors (wolves) they live in family packs with a dominant male and female. Killing is uncommon except when unfamiliar animals try to join the pack and/or mate with the dominants. There is a lot of injury and quarrels but death is a rare event amongst family members. We force these strange animals into a pack situation and it is up to us to take on the dominant role and teach the rest
how to behave. If the dominant does not have the time or the want to do this then a pack should not be undertaken.

Melissa (Rambeau, Bull and Bugzy - we know who the boss is)

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by mayers

No offense but terriers get here name from Terra or going to ground (finding vermin). All dogs are territorial, they get that from their ancestors (wolves) they live in family packs with a dominant male and female. Killing is uncommon except when unfamiliar animals try to join the pack and/or mate with the dominants. There is a lot of injury and quarrels but death is a rare event amongst family members. We force these strange animals into a pack situation and it is up to us to take on the dominant role and teach the rest
how to behave. If the dominant does not have the time or the want to do this then a pack should not be undertaken.

Melissa (Rambeau, Bull and Bugzy - we know who the boss is)

agreed thanks for posting!!

[mayers]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

It is possible and in capable hands, many dogs like this are just fine and very trustworthy. I am giving my input as a trainer that has "fixed" dogs like this many times. It can be done, it has been done. Every situation is different and it bothers me that you generalize this situation when you know nothing further as to the "why".
With that rationalization would you then say that just because my friend was raped and then robbed by a black male that every black male is to be chastized or feared? I think not. And while that example may not be the fairest, it's what comes to mind.
I simply think that you have not had the experience of both sides of the fence here to be making the statements that you are. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I, I would just like you to know that there is more out there that you clearly are not aware of when it comes to aggressive dogs and fixing their problems. Don't be afraid of a killer, there were signs in the past that were displayed and the owner simply didn't catch them, or ignored them like so many do and then it finally escalated to this. It's bad, but it isn't an end all.
If this were any other breed, I would approach the same situation with the same open mind that I always try to have. It's only fair to the situation to do so. Some dogs cannot be fixed, many can. It's all about the "why".

I respectfully agree to disagree.

I respectfully agree to agree?? I totally agree with you and what we are trying to say can't be said in a note. You can't just blame the dog, or the owner or the breeder. There is so much that goes on in the environment - other dogs, the surroundings, cats, people, squirrels, slugs, gnats . . . There is no rule as to what sets an animal off. But there is something and there is no reason not to figure it out. Perhaps this person should give the dog to an animal behavior expert to work with. He could become the worlds best therapy dog - he could have a future if we gave it to him. Don't just cut him off - euthanize him- there are already so many that plod that path.

Melissa (Rambeau - I'll be his friend )

[mayers]

Originally Posted by ranedrops

We know of someone who had 2 male labs (1 older, 1 younger) and an older 90% blind female lab. He then took in a female dobie pup. As the dobie matured she started to attack the older female lab. It was quite vicious at times. The dobie caused the female lab to get at least 60 stitches after one attack. Then the younger make lab started to join in on the attacks. The attacks would happen when they were let into the yard but not in the house. His vet said it could be in her genetics. Also that the dobie was taking advantage of a weaker dog and would eventually kill her if the fights were not broken up in time. The younger lab was just joining in as pack animals do.

He finally started to seperate the older female lab from the younger two but was having a hard time. The attacks happened no matter who walked the dogs. The owner also got bit several times by the dobie (drawing blood, enough for stitches) trying to break up the fights.

The sad ending is that the owner put the older female lab to sleep. He rationalized it as that she was older and 90% blind.

I would not have made the same decision. Re-homing the dobie would have been my first priority.

This is such a sad situation. I think alot of people are giving great advice here. Re-homing may be a good idea if she is a cadidate. I hope the best for you and the rest of your babies and that everything works out for you.

OK, this makes me want to throw up. They euthanized the old beautiful dedicated dog??? I think all pet owners should have to go through animal behavior classes. Which I have - the owners you speak of needed to cement their dominance without that, you have a wild animal party - unacceptable.