My female has killed anouther yorkie

[Magneticgal]

Originally Posted by yorkieK9trainer

It is possible and in capable hands, many dogs like this are just fine and very trustworthy. I am giving my input as a trainer that has "fixed" dogs like this many times. It can be done, it has been done. Every situation is different and it bothers me that you generalize this situation when you know nothing further as to the "why".
With that rationalization would you then say that just because my friend was raped and then robbed by a black male that every black male is to be chastized or feared? I think not. And while that example may not be the fairest, it's what comes to mind.
I simply think that you have not had the experience of both sides of the fence here to be making the statements that you are. You are entitled to your opinion, as am I, I would just like you to know that there is more out there that you clearly are not aware of when it comes to aggressive dogs and fixing their problems. Don't be afraid of a killer, there were signs in the past that were displayed and the owner simply didn't catch them, or ignored them like so many do and then it finally escalated to this. It's bad, but it isn't an end all.
If this were any other breed, I would approach the same situation with the same open mind that I always try to have. It's only fair to the situation to do so. Some dogs cannot be fixed, many can. It's all about the "why".

I respectfully agree to disagree.

THANK YOU!! I completely agree with you. I get so upset when people jump right away to "put the dog down". There are many reasons for this behavior. The vast majority of the time it isn't because the dog is a "killer" and horrible. It can because the owner doesn't handle them properly or maybe they had trauma in their lives, or perhaps they are just plain fearful, who knows? BUT, I will say, if you have noticed that a dog is aggressive (for any reason!) that you should consult a professional and BE VERY CAREFUL about what situations you allow your dog to be in. I just need to say that it isn't always the dogs fault, and they get blamed most of the time,unfortunately.

[YorkieRose]

If I was raped by a black man, I would not fear all black men..but I would fear the black man who raped me ...or the white man or polka dotted man..because the chances of them becoming "Mr. Perfect Citizen" are slim to nothing.

I admire you for working so hard to retrain problem dogs...what I am saying is this...many bad habits in dogs can be retrained, but if they relapse and that it is always possible, then the relapse of a chewer, jumper or barker is not serious...killing of another dog can not be undone. I have yet to find anything 100% in dogs..even reabilitated humans relapse from time to time...

My husband who was raised on a farm says you can never trust a dog who kills chickens or other animals...you can not risk the lifes of the other animals...

My Yorkies are my family and not easily replaced...I would never, ever trust a killer again...if I am wrong, no harm done, the dog can be rehomed and have a good life, BUT I am right, my pet loses its life...not an option for me...best wishes

[red98vett]

I wasn't going to post again - but personally - it didn't sound like the original poster of this thread cared enough at the BEGINNING of the problem to do something about it -

now she has 3 dead dogs and obviously still has the agressive female. If it had happened to most people ONCE - that would have been enough.

I'm so sad for the dogs killed. I think they're all in a dangerous situation with a very irresponsible owner.

There - I said it. IRRESPONSIBLE

I do think the female should be re-homed and an 'only' dog somewhere and watched very closly especially around other dogs and kids.

[ranedrops]

We know of someone who had 2 male labs (1 older, 1 younger) and an older 90% blind female lab. He then took in a female dobie pup. As the dobie matured she started to attack the older female lab. It was quite vicious at times. The dobie caused the female lab to get at least 60 stitches after one attack. Then the younger make lab started to join in on the attacks. The attacks would happen when they were let into the yard but not in the house. His vet said it could be in her genetics. Also that the dobie was taking advantage of a weaker dog and would eventually kill her if the fights were not broken up in time. The younger lab was just joining in as pack animals do.

He finally started to seperate the older female lab from the younger two but was having a hard time. The attacks happened no matter who walked the dogs. The owner also got bit several times by the dobie (drawing blood, enough for stitches) trying to break up the fights.

The sad ending is that the owner put the older female lab to sleep. He rationalized it as that she was older and 90% blind.

I would not have made the same decision. Re-homing the dobie would have been my first priority.

This is such a sad situation. I think alot of people are giving great advice here. Re-homing may be a good idea if she is a cadidate. I hope the best for you and the rest of your babies and that everything works out for you.

[chachi]

I would have rehomed the dog after it killed the 1st dog. That is not typical yorkie behavior. The dog needs to be in a home with no other pets or small children

[crystalsmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

If I was raped by a black man, I would not fear all black men..but I would fear the black man who raped me ...or the white man or polka dotted man..because the chances of them becoming "Mr. Perfect Citizen" are slim to nothing.

I admire you for working so hard to retrain problem dogs...what I am saying is this...many bad habits in dogs can be retrained, but if they relapse and that it is always possible, then the relapse of a chewer, jumper or barker is not serious...killing of another dog can not be undone. I have yet to find anything 100% in dogs..even reabilitated humans relapse from time to time...

My husband who was raised on a farm says you can never trust a dog who kills chickens or other animals...you can not risk the lifes of the other animals...

My Yorkies are my family and not easily replaced...I would never, ever trust a killer again...if I am wrong, no harm done, the dog can be rehomed and have a good life, BUT I am right, my pet loses its life...not an option for me...best wishes

Exactly!! When people say it's not the dog that is the problem, it's the owner I don't see that taking care of the problem. The dog bites and kills not the owner. Of course the owner should be fined and take responsibility for not caring and doing what they should but the dog kills so would any responsible person pass their problem on to another??

Training should have come long before all this happened.

Megan, you are certainly thinking along the same lines I have been since I have been reading through all this. Do we have two standards here? If a lg. dog bites and kills put the dog down. If a yorkie bites and kills do anything but put the dog down???? I don't get it. Do we need a 17 yr. old to straighten out our thinking.

We don't have the OP to answer questions here so it is very hard, we can only go on what was written and what other found in past threads.

[Magneticgal]

I do not feel the way I do simply because this happens to be a Yorkie. If you read my comments on the pit bull attack, I said very similar things.
I feel like there are many,many instances where the dog is actually the victim of irresponsible owners that do not train them properly. (but not always) With that being said, there are some dogs (yorkies, german shephards, pitbulls, jack russells,(insert any breed here) that do have a propensity toward aggression. Like I said in my earlier post, there can be numerous causes for this. I am sorry but I am a HUGE dog lover and I hate to see animals put down when it is possible to rehome or retrain them. Yes, I will conceed that there MAY be occassional cases where you have no other options. But how about trying other measures first? If you KNOW your dog is that way, for crying out loud, keep the dog out of situations that can potentially have a bad outcome. Sorry- I will get off of my soapbox now

[crystalsmom]

Believe me I understand you are a dog lover but I am too and just do not want to see any more dogs killed. So lets say this rehomed dog goes to another irresponsible owner....

[Magneticgal]

I know- its an AWFUL situation!! And things should have been handled LONG before it got to this point. I was thinking rehoming as an ONLY dog. Of course I would NEVER put my baby at risk for 1 second, nor would I expect anyone else to. I have just seen way too many dogs that are not properly trained and bad behavior that is "let go". Its not always the dogs fault and that is what makes me so sad. Its just not fair.

[greyacresmom]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

My husband who was raised on a farm says you can never trust a dog who kills chickens or other animals...you can not risk the lifes of the other animals...

That is a awfully broad statement and I have a little problem getting "it". Not only do I not understand that theory I don't understand the concept.

The problem here is that I have the greyhounds. They have caught their share of lizards, rabbits, field mice. Even snached a bird out of the air. Do I trust them in the house with the three littles? (the three littles range from a 3# Yorkie to a 11# chihuahua). Why yes, yes I do. They play in the house fine...(pretty big house open floor plan) Would I let them run on the rest of the property (they have a separate acre to really run)..Ahh no...I just don't think that would be wise. A greyhound will "see" something and run and try to catch it. I MUST always keep a GH on a leash to keep her/him safe. Most will not react to recall....when they are in the zone.....

So sometime it is not a matter of training, but adjusting your lifestyle. I also know that I can never have a high prey GH (one that will get a "fluffy" no matter what) because I still like to have the little lap dogs.

I am not saying that you need to PTS the dog...nor am I saying that the dog is untrainable....It is a matter of how much time and effort YOU as a dog owner are ready to commit to. It will be a lot of work at this stage....

Good luck and know that our hearts are with you over the loss of the pups, be please do something now....before more lives are lost!

[tr_farmer]

I agree with some of the other posters. She or your other dogs need to be rehomed and until that can happen she needs to be supervised or crated at all times. I am so sorry for your losses.

[MeganS]

OK, In response to the question asked of me (and this will be harsh) - NO I do not - in ANY way - think the owner has done everything possible. I think the first time this happened something should have been done with this dog. Or the second time.

I'm not going to sugar coat anymore - this dog is aggressive - it is a killer. If this were a pit bull everyone on here knows that the VAST MAJORITY of YTers would be saying to put this dog to sleep. Why is it a different situation because its a yorkie?

This dog is NOT safe. There shouldn't be another chance for her to kill or seriously injure another dog or child.

I'm one of the last people in the world who gets on the "put the dog to sleep" train, but for me, this is a very different case. This isn't a once-in-a-lifetime thing. This dog has a serious problem.

Sorry if I'm offending anyone here or whatever. But I, as a dog lover, would rather see one dog pts peacefully than God knows how many others killed tragically by her.

[izzierj]

I know people are telling you to re home her, but wouldn't it make more sense to keep her and rehome the others? Afterall, you know her temperment and personality and can probably control her if she's alone...Can the "new owners "guarantee that? I wouldn't want to take the chance of the 'new owners" putting up with a dog with issues and find out they put her to sleep...! I'm sure you still love her, it could be an imbalance of hormones or something...Hope you find your answer...

[MeganS]

Originally Posted by izzierj

I know people are telling you to re home her, but wouldn't it make more sense to keep her and rehome the others? Afterall, you know her temperment and personality and can probably control her if she's alone...Can the "new owners "guarantee that? I wouldn't want to take the chance of the 'new owners" putting up with a dog with issues and find out they put her to sleep...! I'm sure you still love her, it could be an imbalance of hormones or something...Hope you find your answer...

I think that's a really good idea in theory, but she has 5 or 6 other dogs. To me, and maybe others will disagree, but I don't think it makes any sense to rehome 5 or 6 dogs that have done nothing wrong.

I must seem like the biggest jerk in the world on this thread. But this is just not a situation I can take lightly. Even IF she does end up rehoming her, what if that family rehomes her, then that family rehomes her, and eventually she winds up at the pound and as SOON as they find out what her problem is, she'll be pts by people who don't know her or love her. Its a very real possibility that that will happen - at least I think it is - and I think that's really sad.

[Txgurl06]

Originally Posted by red98vett

I wasn't going to post again - but personally - it didn't sound like the original poster of this thread cared enough at the BEGINNING of the problem to do something about it -

now she has 3 dead dogs and obviously still has the agressive female. If it had happened to most people ONCE - that would have been enough.

I'm so sad for the dogs killed. I think they're all in a dangerous situation with a very irresponsible owner.

There - I said it. IRRESPONSIBLE

I do think the female should be re-homed and an 'only' dog somewhere and watched very closly especially around other dogs and kids.

thank you so much!! glad im not the only one to say it!!