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sheilajom · 05-13-2008, 07:59 PM

OMG! Yall have me paranoid now. I wanted to get my baby a companion to play with, but now I'm afraid she'll wanna attack or kill him one day! I'm rethinking getting a second one now.

nikkinack · 05-13-2008, 08:02 PM

I just want to know if this is some what common or a rare thing.

MeganS · 05-13-2008, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nikkinack

I just want to know if this is some what common or a rare thing.

A yorkie killing (actually killing) is not very common. But its not especially uncommon for them to fight and attack.

Even Tucker, who is incredible laid back, etc., snapped at me one day. He's only done it that ONE time, but it taught me that even yorkies can't always be expected to be little angels.

nikkinack · 05-13-2008, 08:14 PM

I have heard they turn easily but I just cant ever picture lily being mean to anyone or anything. Do any of you have dogs whom you thought would never hurt a fly get snappy, I dont mean in a bad situation I mean get snappy with something the normally would be fine with? I dont mean to be confusing

Sawyers mommy · 05-13-2008, 08:35 PM

I wonder why the original poster hasn't responded to any of the questions. I hope they are just a little unsure of all the reactions, and that this is not just a horrible hoax. If it is real, answering some of the questions may help you find the best solution. It is very hard to help, if we don't have all the facts. Not bashing, just trying to encourage poster to give a little more details; such as age of dog, was she alone, has she been to the vet Etc. This is a great place to get help, so just post again. Sherry

YorkieRose · 05-13-2008, 08:36 PM

IMO this situation is mostly found in breeding situations or intact groups...I have never had a male and female fight, rarely had spayed bitches not get along...I have had them growl, snap or be short with each other, but never actually fighting. If you S/N your pets at 6 months or so, you should not have a problem. If you bring in a puppy when you have an adult, there is rarely any fighting...bringing in another adult can be dicy..but with all the dozens of Yorkies I have had of all agea, I have had few who fought.

It is common for bitches to fight when they are confused as to who is the alpha bitch...

The fighters I have had was due to a bitches "alpha confusion"...I learned to become the alpha bitch and that really brings fighting to a halt..but it did not stop a few bitches from deciding they did not like another for any number of silly reasons...I would tolerate a bitch singling out one she hated, (I had room to separate them, indoors and out )but never a bitch who was aggressive to all or even several...I have never had a Yorkie who showed any aggression towards humans..if they did, they would be S/N asap as I do not think they would be suitable for breeding...
If the owner asserts themself as the pack leader, the dogs rarely fight I have found.

jrsygal37 · 05-13-2008, 08:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Epsilon

I was one of the first ones to read this post, but didn't reply in fear of being insensitive and mean. But I can't help myself, I need to say it.

There have been many recent threads about other dogs killing yorkies and the general response was that these dogs needed to be pts. I have been in agreement with these opinions.

Now that it is a yorkie that is doing the killing, it seems as though no one (besides maybe 3) have mentioned having this yorkie pts. I believe that any dog that kills other dogs needs to be pts regardless of breed or size. An aggressive dog will always be aggressive. It is terribly sad and depressing, but I believe it is the right thing to do.

I can sometimes sympathize for the larger dogs because it doesn't take much to kill a smaller dog. Sometimes I wonder if the larger dog even intended to kill or if it was an accident. But a yorkie killing another yorkie?! ...and 3 TIMES!! It had to have been intentional, there is no way that would happen on accident. This yorkie was trying to kill, and succeeded.

I am very sad that this happened. I would've never imagined such a thing. It's horrible. I am also appalled at the fact that this yorkie was allowed to stay in the family after the first killing; I find this irresponsible.

I have to agree with most of this. If she's killed not one but two why would you put others in jepardy by allowing her to alone with them. I'm not sure about the putting to sleep part. Not because it's a Yorkie just because I really feel (And I know I'm going to take heat for saying this) but I really feel that the owner has played a part in this as well. There is an obvious known problem that was not addressed. You knew her to be aggressive for whatever reason yet you never took her out of the situation. In my oppinion before I put her to sleep I would rehome her with an older couple that do not have children or other pets. And,that is ONLY if she has not been aggressive with people. Most unaltered females and males will fight, especially if you have more then one alpha.

Elaine

Woogie Man · 05-13-2008, 09:15 PM

Yorkie Rose....that seems be the case with my 2 girls.....alpha confusion. They're both sweethearts and get along great except once in a while their excitement gets out of control. I have no trouble shutting it down but it still happens from time to time. None of mine show any aggression towards humans and are generally very good to each other. With mine, it seems to happen when their hormones are raging so I keep a closer eye on them at those times. I think some bouts of aggression are to be expected when you have several dogs together, even our little furbutts.

Key2Yorkies · 05-13-2008, 09:32 PM

How do you become the Alpha pack leader, may I ask? I have 2 girls Roxy & Jazzi that started out best friends. They even would take care of each others babies. It just warmed my Heart when they were so Sweet & Loving. Then one day Roxy the older of the two, (also the one I had the longest) started trying to egg Jazzi on with a little growl here & there. Jazzi who was very timid just tried to ignore her for quite sometime, maybe a few months. Roxy just wouldn't leave her alone then one day Jazzi said " I've had enough of this Bitches SH_T !!!" & all H_LL Broke loose. My Husband tried to break it up but they went in a corner that had a big chair in it & by the time he could move it Jazzi had ripped Roxy's eye lid so bad that the eye was filling up with blood. We had to rush her to the Vet. They had determined it was from a toe nail & not teeth (So muzzles don't work for that). It was so bad that they said they may have to remove the eye lid. Thank God they found enough skin to reattach it & it is fine now. After that Jazzi who is about 1 1/2 lbs. heavier than Roxy & solid muscle figured out she could take this Witch & we have had problems ever since. Roxy still thinks she is the Alpha Bitch because she was there first & had more Babies & Auggie was her Man 1st. I'm sure the wants to let this Mistress Bitch know who she is. But the fact of the matter is Jazzi is Younger & stonger. So to make a long story short or not longer & longer atleast.
We have Roxy at my Father inlaws now while Jazzi had puppies & they grew up & moved away at 3 months. Now we are doing a switcharoo & taking Jazzi over there so Roxy can come home & I can have her groomed & spend time with her for awhile. If the girls are ever together now they are gated off or in crates. I am thinking about having Roxy spayed since she is going to be 5 in July. Then maybe I'll try bringing them together again under a very watchful eye. Or would they both have to be spayed???
Anyway that was my solution to a similar problem. Granted nobody was killed but if I didn't make the changes I did it might have happened. Sorry for rambling on so much.
I feel for this Lady but I do believe there is a solution to every problem. I just wish it was sooner than later. So now that all that is said How do I become the Alpha Bitch????

YorkieRose · 05-14-2008, 06:28 AM

I come by it naturally!!! LOL
I call it "alpha confusion" when they forget I am the pack leader... A momentary lapse of memory! LOL

Remember, I had a breeding group, but the trainer said it works with one or more...
I was told, you as the human must be thought of a Pack Leader..one hard rule was, no sleeping with them. I noticed mine would sleep on my pillow, over my head...trainer said the alpha dog sleeps in the highest most position...Okay, I stopped sleeping with my pet Yorkies.. never allow them to enter or leave the house first..okay..no problem.

You have to have an assertive posture, firm voice, feed them the same time each day and no free feeding, they must depend on you for food and look to you for it.

Now, I have 3 or 4 pets at any given time and none fight, but I still try to enforce the rules to prevent problems. I admit to spoiling my pets and they are such sweethearts..but having a few who did not get along was very difficult in the past...and do not want it now.

If you can invision this scene...I used to walk around the kennel and give a lecture about once a week, then say..."you want a piece of me" and look them in the face...all those sweet little angels would sit wide eyed and try to give me kisses....but a few cocky ones took note I am sure. LOL

bjh · 05-14-2008, 07:54 AM

Pat.....great posts from you on here....thanks for sharing your wisdom. I have learned one thing....the male that sleeps with us and uses my head as his pillow is the pack leader. I will have to have a serious talk with him but I know he will not listen.lol

YorkieRose · 05-14-2008, 09:05 AM

I should take my own advise..believe me, I try, but Yorkies are so good at telling us to talk to the hand LOL...I have spoiled my girls rotten..!!!

Misti1 · 05-14-2008, 09:10 AM

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Originally Posted by jrsygal37

I have to agree with most of this. If she's killed not one but two why would you put others in jepardy by allowing her to alone with them. I'm not sure about the putting to sleep part. Not because it's a Yorkie just because I really feel (And I know I'm going to take heat for saying this) but I really feel that the owner has played a part in this as well. There is an obvious known problem that was not addressed. You knew her to be aggressive for whatever reason yet you never took her out of the situation. In my oppinion before I put her to sleep I would rehome her with an older couple that do not have children or other pets. And,that is ONLY if she has not been aggressive with people. Most unaltered females and males will fight, especially if you have more then one alpha.

Elaine

Go back and read the original post...there were 3 killed altogether

MindieRose · 05-14-2008, 09:29 AM

"I'm the alpha bitch!"

LOL!! I want a shirt that says that!

bjh · 05-14-2008, 09:53 AM

If found where the OP posted this a couple of months ago:

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I have 6 girls and they all get along great. but I know if there is a male in the mix and females in heat it can get bad....I lost my poor Boo boo last year from the females ganging up on her while she was in heat. none of them have ever in all my years done that...but believe me none are left unattended while thats going on...or they are separeted till i get back. girls will be girls....lol. just be safe and watch the heat cycles.

I really think she has a pack problem. I have heard of this happening before. I re-read her original post and it does sound like she has lost 3 due to fighting, Boo Boo, Rambo and Kermie. She seriously need to break up this pack or remove the one that is causing the trouble. I wound not put up with it. She says they are never left unattended so is this happening in her presence? There are a few pieces missing to this puzzle.

05-13-2008, 08:02 PM	#77
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05-13-2008, 08:14 PM	#79
nikkinack YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Mid Michigan Posts: 1,453	I have heard they turn easily but I just cant ever picture lily being mean to anyone or anything. Do any of you have dogs whom you thought would never hurt a fly get snappy, I dont mean in a bad situation I mean get snappy with something the normally would be fine with? I dont mean to be confusing __________________ Member of Petite Pups United and Spoiled Rotten Club Proud member of the CrAzYcLuB

05-13-2008, 08:35 PM	#80
Sawyers mommy Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: fla Posts: 624	I wonder why the original poster hasn't responded to any of the questions. I hope they are just a little unsure of all the reactions, and that this is not just a horrible hoax. If it is real, answering some of the questions may help you find the best solution. It is very hard to help, if we don't have all the facts. Not bashing, just trying to encourage poster to give a little more details; such as age of dog, was she alone, has she been to the vet Etc. This is a great place to get help, so just post again. Sherry __________________ Sawyers Mommy: Proud member of the Spoiled rotten Club

05-13-2008, 08:36 PM	#81
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	IMO this situation is mostly found in breeding situations or intact groups...I have never had a male and female fight, rarely had spayed bitches not get along...I have had them growl, snap or be short with each other, but never actually fighting. If you S/N your pets at 6 months or so, you should not have a problem. If you bring in a puppy when you have an adult, there is rarely any fighting...bringing in another adult can be dicy..but with all the dozens of Yorkies I have had of all agea, I have had few who fought. It is common for bitches to fight when they are confused as to who is the alpha bitch... The fighters I have had was due to a bitches "alpha confusion"...I learned to become the alpha bitch and that really brings fighting to a halt..but it did not stop a few bitches from deciding they did not like another for any number of silly reasons...I would tolerate a bitch singling out one she hated, (I had room to separate them, indoors and out )but never a bitch who was aggressive to all or even several...I have never had a Yorkie who showed any aggression towards humans..if they did, they would be S/N asap as I do not think they would be suitable for breeding... If the owner asserts themself as the pack leader, the dogs rarely fight I have found. __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

05-13-2008, 09:32 PM	#84
Key2Yorkies Donating Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: ILLINOIS Posts: 310	How do you become the Alpha pack leader, may I ask? I have 2 girls Roxy & Jazzi that started out best friends. They even would take care of each others babies. It just warmed my Heart when they were so Sweet & Loving. Then one day Roxy the older of the two, (also the one I had the longest) started trying to egg Jazzi on with a little growl here & there. Jazzi who was very timid just tried to ignore her for quite sometime, maybe a few months. Roxy just wouldn't leave her alone then one day Jazzi said " I've had enough of this Bitches SH_T !!!" & all H_LL Broke loose. My Husband tried to break it up but they went in a corner that had a big chair in it & by the time he could move it Jazzi had ripped Roxy's eye lid so bad that the eye was filling up with blood. We had to rush her to the Vet. They had determined it was from a toe nail & not teeth (So muzzles don't work for that). It was so bad that they said they may have to remove the eye lid. Thank God they found enough skin to reattach it & it is fine now. After that Jazzi who is about 1 1/2 lbs. heavier than Roxy & solid muscle figured out she could take this Witch & we have had problems ever since. Roxy still thinks she is the Alpha Bitch because she was there first & had more Babies & Auggie was her Man 1st. I'm sure the wants to let this Mistress Bitch know who she is. But the fact of the matter is Jazzi is Younger & stonger. So to make a long story short or not longer & longer atleast. We have Roxy at my Father inlaws now while Jazzi had puppies & they grew up & moved away at 3 months. Now we are doing a switcharoo & taking Jazzi over there so Roxy can come home & I can have her groomed & spend time with her for awhile. If the girls are ever together now they are gated off or in crates. I am thinking about having Roxy spayed since she is going to be 5 in July. Then maybe I'll try bringing them together again under a very watchful eye. Or would they both have to be spayed??? Anyway that was my solution to a similar problem. Granted nobody was killed but if I didn't make the changes I did it might have happened. Sorry for rambling on so much. I feel for this Lady but I do believe there is a solution to every problem. I just wish it was sooner than later. So now that all that is said How do I become the Alpha Bitch???? __________________ *Key2Yorkies~Jan Auggie Doggie Daddy RoxAnna & JazzaBella Last but not Least ... My BEAUTIFUL Angel the Afghan...*

05-13-2008, 07:59 PM	#76
sheilajom YT Addict Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Alabama Posts: 461 Blog Entries: 1	OMG! Yall have me paranoid now. I wanted to get my baby a companion to play with, but now I'm afraid she'll wanna attack or kill him one day! I'm rethinking getting a second one now.

05-13-2008, 09:15 PM	#83
Woogie Man YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Mississippi Posts: 679	Yorkie Rose....that seems be the case with my 2 girls.....alpha confusion. They're both sweethearts and get along great except once in a while their excitement gets out of control. I have no trouble shutting it down but it still happens from time to time. None of mine show any aggression towards humans and are generally very good to each other. With mine, it seems to happen when their hormones are raging so I keep a closer eye on them at those times. I think some bouts of aggression are to be expected when you have several dogs together, even our little furbutts.

05-14-2008, 06:28 AM	#85
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	alpha I come by it naturally!!! LOL I call it "alpha confusion" when they forget I am the pack leader... A momentary lapse of memory! LOL Remember, I had a breeding group, but the trainer said it works with one or more... I was told, you as the human must be thought of a Pack Leader..one hard rule was, no sleeping with them. I noticed mine would sleep on my pillow, over my head...trainer said the alpha dog sleeps in the highest most position...Okay, I stopped sleeping with my pet Yorkies.. never allow them to enter or leave the house first..okay..no problem. You have to have an assertive posture, firm voice, feed them the same time each day and no free feeding, they must depend on you for food and look to you for it. Now, I have 3 or 4 pets at any given time and none fight, but I still try to enforce the rules to prevent problems. I admit to spoiling my pets and they are such sweethearts..but having a few who did not get along was very difficult in the past...and do not want it now. If you can invision this scene...I used to walk around the kennel and give a lecture about once a week, then say..."you want a piece of me" and look them in the face...all those sweet little angels would sit wide eyed and try to give me kisses....but a few cocky ones took note I am sure. LOL __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

05-14-2008, 07:54 AM	#86
bjh Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Texas Posts: 2,709	Pat.....great posts from you on here....thanks for sharing your wisdom. I have learned one thing....the male that sleeps with us and uses my head as his pillow is the pack leader. I will have to have a serious talk with him but I know he will not listen.lol

05-14-2008, 09:05 AM	#87
YorkieRose YT 4000 Club Member Donating Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: South Florida Posts: 7,207	Lol I should take my own advise..believe me, I try, but Yorkies are so good at telling us to talk to the hand LOL...I have spoiled my girls rotten..!!! __________________ Pat, Kate, Becca and Pinkkee Prim

05-14-2008, 09:29 AM	#89
MindieRose YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Michigan Posts: 648	"I'm the alpha bitch!" LOL!! I want a shirt that says that! __________________ Proud Mommy of Gavin, Ethan, Morgan, Nia, Olivia, and Kiana. Also Mommy to Cleo(Maltipoo), Joe and Lola(Shih-Tzus), Lilly Appletini and Diesel(Yorkies).