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Yorkiesforever · 05-16-2008, 06:22 AM

Are the Alpha females aggresive to the males too or just to other females ?

KYBLUE · 05-16-2008, 06:36 AM

i would have done a necropsy to rule out all so i would have a direct answer as to the cause of death

myyorkies8 · 05-16-2008, 07:47 AM

this is to sheilajom~for your information 8 yrs old is the cut off for breeding and this was her last litter even if this didn't happen. yes your right your not a breeder....i have healthy beautiful babies and i don't get rid of my pets afer they have been spayed or retired....thats not me...i keep my babies till the end and love everyone of them...some people rehome them when they are done breeding...Not me!!!!!!! these are my fur children not money makes....i love placing puppies in excellent homes....and not make a dime!!!! i dont charge the exsessive amounts to people either. you know nothing...but i can guarentee i take better care of all of mine than you are thinking!!!!! yes 14....3 are babies. not a kennel!!!!!! i have never had a problem like this till now and i am taking care of it. i was an emotional wreck when i made my first post and sorry some of you feel that i'm at fault!!!!!!!

YORKIE_mom_2008 · 05-16-2008, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by pollinilove

mabe you need to wrie to the dog whisperer

Yes you should! it could be your last chance at keeping her around other dogs.

Txgurl06 · 05-16-2008, 07:59 AM

whoa lol im with crystalsmom and im through with this thread!!!

Wylie's Mom · 05-16-2008, 08:20 AM

I think this is a *very* sensitive situation - as well as sad, tragic, devastating. Can we all try to regroup? To the OP, I'm sorry for your loss - I really cannot imagine what you're going through. At this point, assuming calm can prevail - and that you do want some help/advice - where are you now at with all of this? Not knowing where you might need help, oustide a professional dog trainer (which would be great) - I'm not sure what to offer.

I hope this thread can stay open. If not, so be it.

cesar49 · 05-16-2008, 08:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Wylie's Mom

I think this is a *very* sensitive situation - as well as sad, tragic, devastating. Can we all try to regroup? To the OP, I'm sorry for your loss - I really cannot imagine what you're going through. At this point, assuming calm can prevail - and that you do want some help/advice - where are you now at with all of this? Not knowing where you might need help, oustide a professional dog trainer (which would be great) - I'm not sure what to offer.

I hope this thread can stay open. If not, so be it.

this could be a problem for any multiple dog owners.. the issues of aggression.. i think it is very important issue for all breeders..
14 dogs is a lot to handle.. i personally could not have that many unless i stayed home ALL the time.. and it is a big responsibility .. so sorry for
you and your pack.. it might be hard to let go of one dog for the protection of the rest.. i personally would be able to choose to put a dog down if i have one with this problem.. but other people cannot do this i guess...

Woogie Man · 05-16-2008, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by cesar49

this could be a problem for any multiple dog owners.. the issues of aggression.. i think it is very important issue for all breeders..
14 dogs is a lot to handle.. i personally could not have that many unless i stayed home ALL the time.. and it is a big responsibility .. so sorry for
you and your pack.. it might be hard to let go of one dog for the protection of the rest.. i personally would be able to choose to put a dog down if i have one with this problem.. but other people cannot do this i guess...

I'm sorry for the OP's loss but am glad to see the issue of aggression brought up. It's something many can't fathom with our little furbutts but it can and does happen. I can imagine the OP's situation as I have 12 Yorkies myself. Yes, I do breed some of them, not all, but I can't bring myself to re-home mine just because they're not part of my breeding program. I love them all and don't see them as commodities to be bought, sold and traded. Yes, when you have a pack you must be home with them unless you contain them. All ours live in our home. We have 4 bedrooms with only me and my wife here so we have room to segregate them when necessary but usually there is someone here 24/7 and they all have run of the house. If I were in the same situation as the OP, I would reluctantly try to re-home the aggressor for her own good. I couldn't stand to have to keep her separated from the others but that's just me. Maybe there's another solution but I don't see it. It doesn't take many dogs to have this problem; it can happen with only 2. Anyone with multiple dogs that hasn't had this problem should thank their lucky stars and know that 'but for the grace of God go I'. Best of luck to the OP as she goes through this most difficult time.

cesar49 · 05-16-2008, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Woogie Man

I'm sorry for the OP's loss but am glad to see the issue of aggression brought up. It's something many can't fathom with our little furbutts but it can and does happen. I can imagine the OP's situation as I have 12 Yorkies myself. Yes, I do breed some of them, not all, but I can't bring myself to re-home mine just because they're not part of my breeding program. I love them all and don't see them as commodities to be bought, sold and traded. Yes, when you have a pack you must be home with them unless you contain them. All ours live in our home. We have 4 bedrooms with only me and my wife here so we have room to segregate them when necessary but usually there is someone here 24/7 and they all have run of the house. If I were in the same situation as the OP, I would reluctantly try to re-home the aggressor for her own good. I couldn't stand to have to keep her separated from the others but that's just me. Maybe there's another solution but I don't see it. It doesn't take many dogs to have this problem; it can happen with only 2. Anyone with multiple dogs that hasn't had this problem should thank their lucky stars and know that 'but for the grace of God go I'. Best of luck to the OP as she goes through this most difficult time.

i would agree with the OP as she stated. she will continue to separate the aggressive one from the pack. rehoming her is the best option for all of them. rehome to a single dog home. your pet will be happier to get more attention.. it would be better than keeping her. you would be giving her a better life.. better to cry for missing her than losing any more pets to her frustration and agression..keeping her separated always..

would be too hard

jen0225 · 05-16-2008, 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by MeganS

OK, In response to the question asked of me (and this will be harsh) - NO I do not - in ANY way - think the owner has done everything possible. I think the first time this happened something should have been done with this dog. Or the second time.

I'm not going to sugar coat anymore - this dog is aggressive - it is a killer. If this were a pit bull everyone on here knows that the VAST MAJORITY of YTers would be saying to put this dog to sleep. Why is it a different situation because its a yorkie?

This dog is NOT safe. There shouldn't be another chance for her to kill or seriously injure another dog or child.

I'm one of the last people in the world who gets on the "put the dog to sleep" train, but for me, this is a very different case. This isn't a once-in-a-lifetime thing. This dog has a serious problem.

Sorry if I'm offending anyone here or whatever. But I, as a dog lover, would rather see one dog pts peacefully than God knows how many others killed tragically by her.

I agree with several of your statements - 1) something should have been done before now because 2) this dog has a serious problem & 3) I have read so many posts concerning big dogs killing a yorkie or another small breed dog & the majority response is "put the dog down" - noone likes to be on the receiving end of a double standard so why is it ok to have double standard for dogs...off the big dogs, retrain the small ones?????

morningsting · 05-16-2008, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by nydia

I don't agree with this post, I'm a big fan of the Dog Whisperer and I'm not sure how many of you watch that show but there have been some extremely aggressive dogs on that show big and small that he has completely rehabilitated. I don't agree with putting an animal to sleep if you haven't tried everything else first, rule out a health issue by taking her to the vet, try a behavior specialist, try and rehome her, if none of those things work then put her to sleep, but putting a dog to sleep should always be the last option. Some dogs can be rehabilitated even if they killed three other dogs.

I agree. That man on that show is AMAZING. It makes me believe that there IS hope for any dogs to get along together. Putting a dog to sleep should always be a last restort thing. I totally agree with you - some dogs can be rehabilitated&I have full faith that her dog can be too. It's going to take a lot of time&patience, but I believe it CAN be done. Contacting The Dog Whisperer might be a good idea ... I'm sure he's hella busy, but hey, you don't know unless you try, right?

jrsygal37 · 05-16-2008, 02:03 PM

I agree with txgurl. Where some dogs can be just aggressive, I truly believe that their is an obvious problem in this home that is causing this dog to act this way. I have five and once in a while two of my girls will argue. Just these two, but I watch them like hawks, I know the sign and I will immediately intervene and stop it before it starts. And, because I've intervened as I have it for the most part has stopped.
Elaine

jrsygal37 · 05-16-2008, 02:10 PM

Maybe, you should think about having them all fixed and stop breeding. It's not uncommon for unaltered dogs to fight. If you're intentions as you say are to keep her because you love her and all your fur babies and not because you breed, then please consider having them fixed. If not to try and stop the fighting but also why breed a female that has this type of temperment problem?

bjh · 05-16-2008, 02:14 PM

Misinformation keeps getting passed down. The OP stated there were only two dogs possibly killed....no evidence......no marks on them. One of the dogs she lost was due to cancer. I feel that this breeder was just reaching out for emotional support and many of you keep trying to tear her apart. She has already stated that she has the problem female separated. Lets all just pray that she has no more problems.

alaskayorkie · 05-16-2008, 02:21 PM

I'm just stumbling on this and honestly haven't had time to read all the posts. I hope you got some good advice. My :02.

First of all, thank you for having the courage to bring this topic up. It's something any one of us could be faced with. My Eddie, in fact, has attacked other dogs viciously before, and I've addressed it, but it could have been me making the same post your are.

My advice would be to consult a licensed behaviorist as soon as possible. They are terribly expensive, because they are doctors, but your case is definitely about abnormal behavior. Even if you separate the dog, it is likely to happen again. If money's an issue, I'll donate and help take up a collection to help you out. But I see that as your best option.

I suppose an excellent private trainer might help if the cost is prohibitive, and you might want to start there. But I think a good behaviorist is your best bet.

Good luck, and please keep in touch. If there have been hurtful responses here keeping you from posting again, PM me. I'm very interested.

05-16-2008, 06:22 AM	#181
Yorkiesforever YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 1,246	Are the Alpha females aggresive to the males too or just to other females ? __________________ GabbyChelsea Paris Diva: London& Scooby Last edited by Yorkiesforever; 05-16-2008 at 06:24 AM. Reason: Forgot to put in the Alpha

05-16-2008, 07:47 AM	#183
myyorkies8 Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: illinois Posts: 283	this is to sheilajom~for your information 8 yrs old is the cut off for breeding and this was her last litter even if this didn't happen. yes your right your not a breeder....i have healthy beautiful babies and i don't get rid of my pets afer they have been spayed or retired....thats not me...i keep my babies till the end and love everyone of them...some people rehome them when they are done breeding...Not me!!!!!!! these are my fur children not money makes....i love placing puppies in excellent homes....and not make a dime!!!! i dont charge the exsessive amounts to people either. you know nothing...but i can guarentee i take better care of all of mine than you are thinking!!!!! yes 14....3 are babies. not a kennel!!!!!! i have never had a problem like this till now and i am taking care of it. i was an emotional wreck when i made my first post and sorry some of you feel that i'm at fault!!!!!!! __________________ ~Just 4 Pooches Grooming~LOLLIE,BITTY,MEME, Chippy,ZIGGY,ZOEY,TINKERBELL Daizey,Emma,Carmella http://yorkiesandshihtzus.homestead.com/ Last edited by Wylie's Mom; 05-16-2008 at 08:09 AM. Reason: forgot to state something

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Txgurl06 RIP Skoshi! Love You Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Wichita falls,tx Posts: 3,146	whoa lol im with crystalsmom and im through with this thread!!! __________________ To The"Coolest" Friend A Girl Could Have

05-16-2008, 08:20 AM	#186
Wylie's Mom Marcel + Wylie = LOVE Donating Member Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Phoenix, AZ Posts: 5,857 Blog Entries: 2	I think this is a very sensitive situation - as well as sad, tragic, devastating. Can we all try to regroup? To the OP, I'm sorry for your loss - I really cannot imagine what you're going through. At this point, assuming calm can prevail - and that you do want some help/advice - where are you now at with all of this? Not knowing where you might need help, oustide a professional dog trainer (which would be great) - I'm not sure what to offer. I hope this thread can stay open. If not, so be it. __________________ ~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~My Food Blog: Velvet Lava~o~o~o~o~o~o~o~ Ann ~Mom to Marcel Verdel Purcell & Wylie "Floop" Fitzsmudge We can judge the heart of a man by his treatment of animals. ~ Immanuel Kant

05-16-2008, 02:03 PM	#192
jrsygal37 No Longer a Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,478	I agree with txgurl. Where some dogs can be just aggressive, I truly believe that their is an obvious problem in this home that is causing this dog to act this way. I have five and once in a while two of my girls will argue. Just these two, but I watch them like hawks, I know the sign and I will immediately intervene and stop it before it starts. And, because I've intervened as I have it for the most part has stopped. Elaine Last edited by Wylie's Mom; 05-16-2008 at 03:51 PM.

05-16-2008, 06:36 AM	#182
KYBLUE YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: ky Posts: 410	i would have done a necropsy to rule out all so i would have a direct answer as to the cause of death

05-16-2008, 02:10 PM	#193
jrsygal37 No Longer a Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,478	Maybe, you should think about having them all fixed and stop breeding. It's not uncommon for unaltered dogs to fight. If you're intentions as you say are to keep her because you love her and all your fur babies and not because you breed, then please consider having them fixed. If not to try and stop the fighting but also why breed a female that has this type of temperment problem? Last edited by Wylie's Mom; 05-16-2008 at 03:53 PM.

05-16-2008, 02:14 PM	#194
bjh Donating YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Warren, Texas Posts: 2,600	Misinformation keeps getting passed down. The OP stated there were only two dogs possibly killed....no evidence......no marks on them. One of the dogs she lost was due to cancer. I feel that this breeder was just reaching out for emotional support and many of you keep trying to tear her apart. She has already stated that she has the problem female separated. Lets all just pray that she has no more problems. Last edited by bjh; 05-16-2008 at 02:15 PM.

05-16-2008, 02:21 PM	#195
alaskayorkie Race to 7,000 champ Donating Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anchorage Posts: 10,473 Blog Entries: 25	I'm just stumbling on this and honestly haven't had time to read all the posts. I hope you got some good advice. My :02. First of all, thank you for having the courage to bring this topic up. It's something any one of us could be faced with. My Eddie, in fact, has attacked other dogs viciously before, and I've addressed it, but it could have been me making the same post your are. My advice would be to consult a licensed behaviorist as soon as possible. They are terribly expensive, because they are doctors, but your case is definitely about abnormal behavior. Even if you separate the dog, it is likely to happen again. If money's an issue, I'll donate and help take up a collection to help you out. But I see that as your best option. I suppose an excellent private trainer might help if the cost is prohibitive, and you might want to start there. But I think a good behaviorist is your best bet. Good luck, and please keep in touch. If there have been hurtful responses here keeping you from posting again, PM me. I'm very interested. __________________ Meet Eddie and Jack: www.dogster.com/?159686 YouTube vids: http://www.youtube.com/alaskayorkie Picture site: http://web.mac.com/mlewishome Last edited by alaskayorkie; 05-16-2008 at 02:22 PM.