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03-18-2008, 04:39 PM | #1 |
Donating Senior Yorkie Talker | I know I may be starting something I know I am probably opening a can of worms but I was just wondering. Do "breeders" never have puppies that have luxating patellas, liver shunts, or other health problems. I am totally against puppy mills, don't get me wrong. It seems everyone blames any dog with problems on the byb, and everyone here groups people who aren't official breeders as byb. Then everyone says they are as bad as puppy mills. I just don't get it. Can't you just love the breed and what to have puppies once in awhile as long as you have done your research? Sorry for running on like this, but this has really been bugging me for awhile now.
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03-18-2008, 04:48 PM | #2 |
Donating YT 11K Club Member | No they do but a reputable breeder is supposed to check their dogs, the parents and grandparents for all those things and then breed if they don't have any of those and are healthy so its less likely that their pups will get it. However it does happen even if the parents are healthy, they can get it from one of their great grandparents or something like that. Dogs from puppymills are more likely to be sick because usually the people that run them don't check their dogs for any diseases and just breed breed breed for the money. And they also don't check the pups or take them to the vet cause they don't want to use money out of their own pockets.
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03-18-2008, 04:58 PM | #3 |
Donating YT 30K Club Member | I have a very sickly dog from a BYB who I didn't do my research on, (prior to finding YT. I have a pet shop pom who has been healthy up until she got old, but had a bad temperment and went way oversize. I did get Roxie, Pixie and Dixie from a reputable well known breeder and Dixie ended up having to be PTS from congenital kidney failure. The breeder felt al bad as I did and I feel anyone who breeds for any length of time can run into a problem now and them but by stopping that breeding pair and handling the situation properly makes all the difference.JMO
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03-18-2008, 05:00 PM | #4 |
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| i dunno.. i dont think they are all bad, but thats just me. to me there are the puppymills (i think of poor malnourished caged animals that dont see a vet and have no human interaction), the back yard breeders (inexperienced breeders possibly making a living off breeding, may be breeding dogs with genetic problems unknowingly--dogs raised in home environment), the horrid GREEDERS (will stop at nothing to make money--breed sickly little "teacups" and charge insane prices), the hobby breeder (i think of these as a family that maybe has two healthy pets and they had a litter or two--taken to vet, cared for in home environment--not in it for money, but maybe to have granbabies, etc.), and the show breeder (breeding for perfect champions? lol) I think the puppymills and the greeders are the worst of them.. and I dont think hobby breeders are bad necessarily |
03-18-2008, 05:08 PM | #5 | |
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03-18-2008, 05:12 PM | #6 |
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| Just because the breeders have their dogs checked for LP, doesn't mean they're not going to get LP, a lot of times, they get it from jumping... |
03-18-2008, 05:30 PM | #7 |
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| breeding If ANY breeder, breeds long enough they will have some of these problems...maybe all of them, if you breed for 30 or 40 yrs...but how a breeder handles the problems is what makes them ethical and reputable to me. First, you buy the best stock possible, tested and proven..and you continue to test and prove the line. If problems crop up, you will most often know BEFORE placing the puppy...example...a recent poster found her new puppy had a serious heart murmur. A simple vet check before leaving would have taken care of that problem. If a breeders vet misses problems, it is time for a new vet...and selling at 8 weeks is too soon for me to know I am placign a sound puppy...just because the parents never produced a sick one in the past means little...many genes are recessive and defects can be congential. One yr health contract is a must to insure the buyer gets a sound puppy or they get their money back, new puppy or both...whatever it takes to make it right. |
03-18-2008, 06:13 PM | #8 |
DEBRA'S DORKY YORKIES4 Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Highland Scotland
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| I think HOBBY BREEDERS...ie. a family who love Yorkies will want the best for their dogs.... ..... and if they have puppies after looking into it, then fine....if any are born with problems......surely mostly these people will only keep the puppy...and will find it hard to even give up the good puppies....it's the people, whoever they are, who do it purely for financial gain, who don't care where their puppies go, who don't care for their or the parents' welfare, that sicken me.....those people will hopefully have to answer to a higher authority in their next life.....and maybe come back as a slug next time....which gets trod on ! Debra x x x |
03-18-2008, 06:33 PM | #9 |
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| Reputable breeders do all they can to breed healthy dogs, including health screening for everything possible and only breeding 100% healthy dogs. However, even the best breeders may get a puppy with a health problem. It's what the breeder does at that point that shows whether they are ethical or not. An ethical breeder will spay/neuter dogs in that line so that they don't produce another dog with that problem. You have a much better chance of getting a healthy dog from a reputable breeder that health screens than a backyard breeder that does not.
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03-19-2008, 05:03 AM | #10 |
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| I agree with YorkieRose and MyFairLacy. It really depends on what the breeder does to correct the situation and what testing was done before breeding. If a family wants to breed their healthy pets, I have no problem with that (I know some people do, but I don't...it's their right to breed if they want to). My problem is when they want their cute dogs to have puppies and then want to sell them. So the dogs are probably not standard and they haven't been health screened. If these people want to breed their family pet and it doesn't meet the standard or hasn't been health screened, then they should keep the puppies and then they can pay the vet bills later. It isn't fair to the dogs or to the new owners to not do everything in their power to make sure the dogs are healthy pre breeding. My opinion only...
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03-19-2008, 06:45 AM | #11 |
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| We bought Zoe and Zorak from what some would term a 'hobby breeder'... They were very hesitant to sell Zoe because she was so small and said she had to go with Zorak because they were so bonded. The breeder kept in close contact with us and even spoke to our vet. Now we send photos and she keeps in touch with us. I do not think she is a 'greeder' since she did not charge a greedy price for the 2 of them. If ever we decided to breed a pet, I would only do it to give the pups to great homes, not to make lots of money... I am nervous about breeding Zoe though because she is so small, and we had to neuter Zorak since his testicles never descended.
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03-19-2008, 07:05 AM | #12 |
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| As YorkieRose mention, I think anyone that has been breeding any number of years is going to have a problem pop up once in a while. BUT, i also think that it's the way the problem is handled, as she also said, that makes the difference. i was recently at a huge AKC show and watched groups for all the classes. i saw a large dog in one of the classes that actually limped around the ring. it was obvious it had some sort of leg or hip problem. I also found out that a liver shunt dog was being shown. So it isn't just the BYB or puppymills that are having this problem. |
03-19-2008, 07:29 AM | #13 |
BANNED! | Problems can and will arise with any breeder thru the years. Reputable breeders do proper testing to make sure that the dogs they breed aren't prone to passing on any health issues. IMO its how any health or genetic issue that may arise is dealt with that makes the biggest difference. I also find most reputable breeders are very hesitant to sell the really tiny ones and would rather keep them then worry about their health and well being, yet other ppl see $$$'s. Last edited by tiggerr36792; 03-19-2008 at 07:31 AM. |
03-19-2008, 12:02 PM | #14 |
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| what does byb stand for please?
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03-19-2008, 12:22 PM | #15 |
Donating YT 7000 Club Member | backyard breeder. I do think its possible for there to be BYBs and Hobby Breeders who are responsible, do it for the love of the breed, and have health screenings done prior to breeding.
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