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07-16-2005, 05:32 AM | #1 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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| puppy kindergarten and collars My baby has started puppy kindergarten! We are very excited and she seems to enjoy it. The only problem that we are having is that the trainer insists that all dogs are on a collar and leash. Well, on the first day of class I brought Nomi in a harness and was frowned upon. I explained to the trainer that I was told to never attach a leash to my puppy's collar because it could put to much pressure on the dog's trachea. She told me that she has had other yorkies in her class and they all wore their leashes on their collars and that they were fine. Needless to say we finished that session using the harness. I don't want to be the difficult "doggie parent" in the class. Is it ok to just use the collar and leash while in class? Am I being too concerned? |
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07-16-2005, 05:41 AM | #2 |
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| I was like that at first with Paprika, she only was connected to a leash by harness. But, for training now, she is on a collar and when we go outside to potty she's on the collar but for long walks and car rides, she's harnessed up. It's up to you and what you feel comfortable. I would NEVER put a choke chain on any small dog, but a buckle color is fine in my mind. I'd go with your gut. If you aren't comfortable using the collar, then don't and if the trainer tells you otherwise, go somewhere else. You should never be forced to do something you don't when it's your dog. Hope this helped.
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07-16-2005, 05:43 AM | #3 |
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| You just go ahead and be the difficult parent. If the trainer isn't familiar with small breed trachea issues she should at least take your word for it. It is not like your dog will not be under your control in a harness. What is her reason for insisting on the collar? If you would like to be compromising, you could ask her if a show lead would be a suitable alternative. |
07-16-2005, 06:00 AM | #4 |
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| My trainer said collar for everyone except the small dogs because of their trachea..I didn't even have to go into it, if he has a problem I would tell him that maybe he should speak to your vet then about collapsed trachea and as a trainer he should know this. Be difficukt for your babies sake@!!
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07-16-2005, 06:35 AM | #5 |
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| I can probably explain why the trainer said that, although the trainer should have explained it to you! Our trainer doesn't like typical harnesses because it encourages dogs to pull. (Think sled dogs) The whole point of learning leash walking is to have the dog NOT pull. She recommends something called an Easy Walk harness. You can get them at Petsmart. The leash attaches in the front so when the dog pulls he turns himself around and it's very successful. Loki does great with the harness and we always use it for walks. Also, we do use Loki's collar when he goes out to potty (always on a leash since we don't have a fenced yard) and it's fine. We do have a "sled" type harness and we use it in the car sometimes when he is in his booster seat. He's used to getting his harnesses on and off!! He is a bigger Yorkie though - almost 7 pounds. He're a link to that product: http://www.gentleleader.com/pages.cfm?id=74 |
07-16-2005, 09:06 AM | #6 |
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| When Mocha was in class my instructor said the same thing so the second class that i broguht Mocha to, I had a collar and her leash on and Mocha kept coughing so the instructor said next time, use a gentle leader.. i was using that with Mocha and she did AWESOME with it! I think when I get my new baby I will use the gentile leader
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07-16-2005, 09:15 AM | #7 |
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| Thank you for posting that info about the Gentle Leader. I am going to take Bunny to PK. Hopefully the instructor won't give me a hard time bc I AM the difficult parent!!!
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07-16-2005, 10:20 AM | #8 | |
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07-16-2005, 10:24 AM | #9 |
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| I dont want to sound like a bi*** or anything but I am a trainer also and your trainer seriously needs to do some more research about using collars. I was taught that small dogs are trained with harnesses. NOT COLLARS and we all know why. I am sorry but I would be the difficult parent and take some research in for her about the issues that these little dogs have with collars. I know that harnesses teach a dog to pull, BUT, the way that I was told and taught to train was to teach the little dogs not to pull while in a harness. That is the whole point in paying a trainer. |
07-16-2005, 10:44 AM | #10 |
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| I had the same problem in class. I think most trainers are used to the way things are done for big dogs and do not know enough about how the small pups need to be taught (especially terriers!). Look into the Gentle Leader Harnesses like others have said - they are great. Premier makes a really good one that we use. The leash attaches in the front so it is very hard for them to pull and keep moving straight ahead. |
07-16-2005, 10:51 AM | #11 |
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| When I went to my puppy classes the same thing they had to wear a collar no harness.
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07-16-2005, 10:52 AM | #12 |
Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Powder Springs, GA
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| Reconsmom, as a trainer, how do you teach a dog not to pull on a harness? Thus far, it hasn't been a problem for us. I just need more info. or techique to share with my trainer so we can continue using the harness. |
07-16-2005, 04:33 PM | #13 |
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| I tell every new parent (of my puppies or others) that they are never to use a collar but always use a harness. I feel VERY strongly about that. I have seen wonderfuly trained Yorkies who did NOT pull just because they were wearing a harness. If one of my buyers told me that, I would go to class with them. A trainer knows all dogs; you know YOUR dog and what is best for him/her based on the experience of more than just a few breeders..I do not understand the reasoning for saying that a harness encourages pulling. The sled dogs are bred for sledding-it is in their genes. That is like apples and oranges....JMHO Sorry about getting up on a soapbox but responsible breeders take so much time working with new owners of our puppies helping them to understand the reasons for their care..In the end, each owner must take care of their pet in the way that is best for their baby.. |
07-16-2005, 04:40 PM | #14 |
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| My vet even says that toy breeds should not wear collars!
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07-16-2005, 05:38 PM | #15 |
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| Do the collar and leash--your puppy will be fine. Oscar is almost done with a 10 week beginner obedience (we'll soon be going on to intermediate). He would not have learned the things he learned in a harness. I do still use a harness for walks. Animal Inn requires the chain collar, but they teach you the right way to use it and that it is ONLY for the times when you are training. These guys have a lot of experience at what they do. I was reluctant at first, but now I completely trust my instructors. And before anyone gets upset, the training school I go to has AKC judges and has produced several national champions. I'd just recommend trying it and then deciding. |
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