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Old 02-03-2008, 08:38 PM   #1
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Default Isn't it unfortunate what many Yorkie owners have done to the breed?

Every time I've called the ads in the papers and online about buying a Yorkie, I usually ask the same questions other people do but with different beliefs about what I want to hear.

There are a lot of people out there, which I know from reading this forum a lot, who are disgusted at people who label dogs as "teacups" or who let puppies go at 6 weeks or so. The breeders are to blame greatly for this, for sure. Like anybody else though, they want to make money, and they know that the public is, in general, not so much concerned about the animal's health as much as what is aesthetically pleasing to them.

Do most people out there who want a Yorkie care that the tiniest dogs that people label as "teacups" are more likely to have health problems and are more likely to be seriously injured in an accident?? Do they care that these preferences to have tiny dogs that they can fit nicely in a purse or take to the mall to have everybody "oooo" and "ahhh" over it, has made breeders actually try to breed dogs to be as tiny as possible??

Of course they don't. It's really such a disservice to the animals that breeders do this, but how much of the blame really lies on them? In a world where many people would view an 8 pound Yorkie as undesireable simply because it's not a "teacup", I'm just not sure.

On another issue, does the general public care that puppies should not be going home with them until they're fully ready? (12 weeks or so by most standards). Do they care that taking puppies much earlier than that can cause problems and severe anxiety with the puppy?? Again, you'd have to assume the answer is no, because people seem to generally want a puppy as early as they can get it.

To me, it's sickening. Absolutely gross this culture that's been created.

For me, if I'm calling on a dog there are the usual questions I ask. I want to know how old he/she is...I want to know the approximate weight....and there are other questions of course. For me though, if the puppy is 7 weeks old and they want to sell him or her...the conversation is done. I'm not going to lecture, because they KNOW it isn't right to sell the puppy at that age...but I won't support it. On the weight issue, if I'm ever told the dog is a "teacup", that's the end of that conversation too. Again, breeders know better and they're just being deceitful and preying upon people's wishes to compete to have the tiniest little dog possible.

Do these things bother anybody else as much as they bother me? It's just so frustrating to see people looking for puppies for the wrong reasons and just ignoring the best interests of the dog.
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It seems like the uneducated public is so, well, "uneducated"!! They dont want to wait for quality, they just want a quick fix. But this quick fix must be: a T-cup, 6 weeks old, have health guarantees up the ying yang, has to look like Britney Spears's dog, has to be potty trained and they only want to pay 500 for it. Plus they want to breed it. Some even want you to deliver!!!
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It seems like the uneducated public is so, well, "uneducated"!! They dont want to wait for quality, they just want a quick fix. But this quick fix must be: a T-cup, 6 weeks old, have health guarantees up the ying yang, has to look like Britney Spears's dog, has to be potty trained and they only want to pay 500 for it. Plus they want to breed it. Some even want you to deliver!!!
Exactly. They see what celebrities have and that's what they want.

I've paid less for Yorkies and gotten great dogs. Sure, our "little" guy now is 8 pounds but who cares? He's gorgeous. To many people out there though, they may consider him a disappointment. It's just so sad.

I mean, some people want SIZE guarantees!! What the heck??
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Sorry, the phone rang again. Then the "breeders" out there dont even care about the dogs and only want to make a huge profit. They dont know anything about the breed nor do they have any type of health guarantee. They cant even estimate the weight of their own dogs. They tell people that the 8 lb mom is only 4 lbs, etc. Makes me so mad!!!! But as long as they have customers, they will keep breeding these horrible excuses for Yorkies.
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Oh yes..it discusts me I hate that so many yorkies have health problems, and so many yorkies don't even look like yorkies anymore. I think it is so sad that yorkies are 36 times more likely to have liver shunt than all other breeds combined..and I think it's sad that LP is so common.

I've seen it a lot on here recently...people want a puppy and they want it now! They don't seem to listen to advice about finding a reputable breeder...they just seem to want to go with the first puppy they find that is in their price range.

I just think it is so important to go into buying a puppy with a cautious attitude...finding a reputable breeder can be difficult, but people shouldn't settle for less than that.
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Yah, that size guarantee always cracks me up!!!!!!!!!! Like we have a T-cup mold.
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Sorry, the phone rang again. Then the "breeders" out there dont even care about the dogs and only want to make a huge profit. They dont know anything about the breed nor do they have any type of health guarantee. They cant even estimate the weight of their own dogs. They tell people that the 8 lb mom is only 4 lbs, etc. Makes me so mad!!!! But as long as they have customers, they will keep breeding these horrible excuses for Yorkies.
It makes me mad when I'm reading an ad in the paper and they put in there, "Going to be small!". As if that's what defines the quality of the puppy, its size.

The reason I want to know the size is so that I know he/she isn't going to be too tiny, but not so large as to overbear the little guy we already have. I have a pretty wide range I'm OK with, but I think having a really tiny one would make me more nervous than anything.

There's nothing wrong with getting a puppy and having him or her end up small, but calling around to ensure you get a 3 pounder?? Sigh...
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Yah, that size guarantee always cracks me up!!!!!!!!!! Like we have a T-cup mold.
Exactly. My parents are both short, and I ended up tall. They have dark hair, I have lighter hair. They have gray and hazel eyes, and I have blue eyes. No I wasn't adopted.

Just like us, genetics in dogs is no sure thing, but many people when buying puppies would sure love it to be.
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I agree with you 100%. I fell in love with Yorkies many years ago and always planned on getting one as my "empty nest" dog until my Maltese Lady came into my life as a rescue eight years ago.

I joined YT to learn more about Yorkies as I plan to get one next time around (along with another Maltese ) and was shocked to see all the health problems in this once hearty little dog. It seemed like just about everyone here had Yorkies with either liver disease or luxating patellas ..... or both. I was also amazed at how many Yorkie puppies are being sold at only eight, even six weeks old.

Then I did some research and found out that according to a study done at the University of Tennessee by Dr. Tobias, Yorkies are thirty-six times more likely to have a liver shunt than all other breeds combined.

And the Orthopedic Foundation of America ranks Yorkies #4 in number of cases of luxating patellas.

I think both those numbers have everything to do with this number, the fact that Yorkies are now the #1 most popular dog breed.

Too many would be Yorkie owners seem to shop for a puppy as casually as they would a pair of shoes. They don't take the time to go to the YTCA website to learn about the breed and how to find a responsible breeder or join here and ask questions before buying a puppy.
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Well any breeder in my opinion who lets a puppy go at 6 weeks has no clue and has got to be in this for the money, at that age they are even too young to have shots for heavens sake..
As far as teacups, I do not breed for tinies. Health is a bigger issue.. I look at people who want a teacup ( not a word in yorkie talk) they want a trophy ..

I have two tinies.. both pets only, one had 9 pound parents and I took the runt hoping to get a 5-6 pound yorkie, he is 3.5 at 5 years old.. tiny and fragile, I will not let just anyone pick him up. My other tiny is 4 pounds, yes tiny.. to me that is tiny.. I can not ever imagine looking to buy a yorkie that is ready to leave the mother or the breeder that weighs like a pound. Just cannot imagine. And I do not use the word teacup and when some one uses that word. I have no problem telling them.
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I agree with you 100%. I fell in love with Yorkies many years ago and always planned on getting one as my "empty nest" dog until my Maltese Lady came into my life as a rescue eight years ago.

I joined YT to learn more about Yorkies as I plan to get one next time around (along with another Maltese ) and was shocked to see all the health problems in this once hearty little dog. It seemed like just about everyone here had Yorkies with either liver disease or luxating patellas ..... or both. I was also amazed at how many Yorkie puppies are being sold at only eight, even six weeks old.

Then I did some research and found out that according to a study done at the University of Tennessee by Dr. Tobias, Yorkies are thirty-six times more likely to have a liver shunt than all other breeds combined.

And the Orthopedic Foundation of America ranks Yorkies #4 in number of cases of luxating patellas.

I think both those numbers have everything to do with this number, the fact that Yorkies are now the #1 most popular dog breed.

Too many would be Yorkie owners seem to shop for a puppy as casually as they would a pair of shoes. They don't take the time to go to the YTCA website to learn about the breed and how to find a responsible breeder or join here and ask questions before buying a puppy.
I do think it's possible to get healthy yorkie puppies though...it's just going to take time searching for the right breeders to buy from. I just wish more people would take the time to search for a puppy. I'm not planning on getting another puppy for at least 3 years, but I'm already keeping my eyes and ears open for possible breeders to contact in the future and experiences others have had with them. I'm also trying to learn more about health screening and how to make sure I get a healthy puppy. I'll probably start contacting breeders a year before I'm ready to buy a puppy to start questioning them, getting to know them, and letting them get to know me. It may take me a year to fully trust a breeder And that way I can get put on a waiting list if there is one. I don't expect everyone to take a year to find their puppy, but if it takes that long, they should be willing to wait. It is just so important to buy from a reputable breeder and make sure you are confident buying from them
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Well any breeder in my opinion who lets a puppy go at 6 weeks has no clue and has got to be in this for the money, at that age they are even too young to have shots for heavens sake..
As far as teacups, I do not breed for tinies. Health is a bigger issue.. I look at people who want a teacup ( not a word in yorkie talk) they want a trophy ..

I have two tinies.. both pets only, one had 9 pound parents and I took the runt hoping to get a 5-6 pound yorkie, he is 3.5 at 5 years old.. tiny and fragile, I will not let just anyone pick him up. My other tiny is 4 pounds, yes tiny.. to me that is tiny.. I can not ever imagine looking to buy a yorkie that is ready to leave the mother or the breeder that weighs like a pound. Just cannot imagine. And I do not use the word teacup and when some one uses that word. I have no problem telling them.
I've heard some breeders say they won't sell to anyone asking for a "teacup". When someone says they want a "teacup" it shows they don't know much about the breed and they need to research and learn more before they even consider buying a puppy.

That's another thing that bugs me...so many people buy a breed of dog and have no clue about it! Isn't it important to know about the dog you own? I'll admit that I didn't know even 1/4 of what I probably do now when I got Lacy..but I at least knew the standard of the breed, the size they were supposed to be, common health problems (although I didn't have a clue they were as common as they are), and that there are no "teacup".

I used to work at a dog boutique/grooming place. This one girl brought her yorkie puppy in and said she wanted his hair really short..really short. So the groomer pretty much shaved him. Under his black puppy air was all silver hair...so the dog changed colors. When the girl picked her dog up, she couldn't believe he was all silver. She wanted to know if it would change back to black? I told her that no, yorkies' hair color changed as they aged, and he was going to have very light hair. She said, "but I don't like it this color"...OMG..you didn't think to see what yorkies looked like when they grew up?? She had absolutely no clue about the yorkie breed when I was talking to her
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I used to work at a dog boutique/grooming place. This one girl brought her yorkie puppy in and said she wanted his hair really short..really short. So the groomer pretty much shaved him. Under his black puppy air was all silver hair...so the dog changed colors. When the girl picked her dog up, she couldn't believe he was all silver. She wanted to know if it would change back to black? I told her that no, yorkies' hair color changed as they aged, and he was going to have very light hair. She said, "but I don't like it this color"...OMG..you didn't think to see what yorkies looked like when they grew up?? She had absolutely no clue about the yorkie breed when I was talking to her
That is ridiculus! Makes me want to take the puppy away from her and give it the loving it deserves...100% Love no matter what its color is!!!!
People really need to be more in tune with pets...their breed, info about them, everything about them, that it doesnt matter what they grow up to be...love them unconditionally no matter what! and know what it takes to give them a very loving home! If everyone would do that...there would be no reason for dog shelters!

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I knew one lady that had 3 Yorkies. She actually went to the vet office and weighed them EVERY week. The one that got the biggest, she traded for one that was smaller. And the lady she traded with was a big time byb'r. So you now what happened to that puppy: litter after litter after litter.
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I knew one lady that had 3 Yorkies. She actually went to the vet office and weighed them EVERY week. The one that got the biggest, she traded for one that was smaller. And the lady she traded with was a big time byb'r. So you now what happened to that puppy: litter after litter after litter.
were these just her pets? With my next puppy, I would like her to be between 4 and 6lbs as an adult, but if she ends up being smaller or bigger it wouldn't be that big of a deal...
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