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Old 01-24-2008, 03:37 AM   #1
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I know I should put this in the Breeding section, but I got only one reply, which didn't really answer my question. I thought i'd try feedback from here.

Good morning. I have thought about breeding for awhile now. I have not bred yorkies yet, because I don't feel I am quite 100% educated yet. I have been doing lots of research, and glad I have, because I have realized it takes more than sticking two dogs together to be a responsible breeder. Thanks to all the posts on this site, as it has really gave me much more knowledge.

Once a yorkie becomes non-registered for what ever reason, should he or she never be bred.?? I understand from research, that even a registerd dog may not be purebred, and so forth
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Old 01-24-2008, 03:59 AM   #2
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Yorkies tend to be pretty pricey in the dog world. I don't think it's a wise idea to breed an unregistered dog.

If I saw that a dog was unregistered I wouldn't think that it was a very good breeder because there is always a reason why the dog wasn't registered. A lot of times a reputable breeder will sell pet quality with limited registration just so they can't be bred. To me it'd be a big warning flag if the puppies didn't have papers, it would mean(in my opinion) that the dog shouldn't have been bred and that the person was trying to make a quick buck.
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I am not one with a lot of knowledge on breeding, but I know a lot of people that get purebreds for pets, do not bother to register them. They are not for breeding, not for show- they are pets, and therefore have no use for the papers. If a purebred has puppies with another purebred- it is still a purebred, just not able to register it. Usually they are priced lower, than show dogs,ect. For alot of pet owners, I do not thin the papers are as important. That is what I have seen,or learned. I am sure someone will be able to tell you much more. They really don't get unregistered, if they are registd, they are registered, but some that could be registered are not for what ever reason- like for a pet. I hope this makes sense to you, because, it can confuse me!
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They really don't get unregistered, if they are registd, they are registered, but some that could be registered are not for what ever reason- like for a pet. I hope this makes sense to you, because, it can confuse me!
Actually, someone please correct me if I am wrong, but dogs can get unregistered with AKC if AKC finds out there was some hanky panky going on with the registration of the litter. Wrong stud, wrong bitch and DNA tests proves the dogs don't match. Someone on YT who purchased a dog from a breeder had that happen to them.
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Actually, someone please correct me if I am wrong, but dogs can get unregistered with AKC if AKC finds out there was some hanky panky going on with the registration of the litter. Wrong stud, wrong bitch and DNA tests proves the dogs don't match. Someone on YT who purchased a dog from a breeder had that happen to them.
You are absolutely right. The AKC can revoke a dog's registration later on if paperwork is inaccurate, DNA testing suspicious, etc.

Many people who purchase dogs as pets don't even bother to send the paperwork in.
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There can be a myriad of reasons why a registration would be revoked, or not even issued. In the end the decision is yours, but there are all ready alot of non-registered puppies out there so why add to it?
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There are so many unwanted dogs so why adding some more to the list .
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In answer to part of your question.. Just because a dog is not registered DOES NOT mean it is a NOT a purebreed. It just means it is not registered with the AKC. And just because a dog IS registered, doesn't always mean it is a purebreed. They have been some unscrupulous so-called breeders who have registered dogs that should never have been registered. Some get caught, some don't
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Actually, someone please correct me if I am wrong, but dogs can get unregistered with AKC if AKC finds out there was some hanky panky going on with the registration of the litter. Wrong stud, wrong bitch and DNA tests proves the dogs don't match. Someone on YT who purchased a dog from a breeder had that happen to them.

Absoultely correct. And I know of some that were kicked out the AKC, tho they still continued to breed.

Reasons that dogs get limited Reg papers or none at all it is because the dogs have problems, Tracea Collapse, patella, Hip Displasia, problem eyes, mouth, teeth at birth, open fontanelle etc and therefore, they are not breeding material as they do not improve the breed, but diminish it with runts.

Breeding programs are to improve and safeguard a breed of dog to its full attributes, not to diminish it. Sometimes people do say you have a good pedigree only to learn the bitch who was to be the mother dog was not even alive at the time LOL. Also breeders get closed down and kicked out AKC and other global clubs for that same reason.

Hope this makes some sense. be weary of buying a purebread from someone who is not registering them. there is a reason

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I was under the knowledge that a pruebreed dog could NOT be sold for
money if it's parents had no papers therefore not being registered.
The reason I say this is my daughter has a pruebreed MinPin.
It's mother's was AKC registered but the father was a rescue.
You can tell he is a pruebreed. It was not intentional, he was getting
neutered but the two got together. Puppies came and were given away,
my daughter getting one male. The owner stated that AKC would not
allow her to make money off the litter since the father was not registered
with them because he had no paper's and the litter could not be registered
because of it. It makes sence but I guess not all owners would be so honest.
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I was under the knowledge that a pruebreed dog could NOT be sold for
money if it's parents had no papers therefore not being registered.
The reason I say this is my daughter has a pruebreed MinPin.
It's mother's was AKC registered but the father was a rescue.
You can tell he is a pruebreed. It was not intentional, he was getting
neutered but the two got together. Puppies came and were given away,
my daughter getting one male. The owner stated that AKC would not
allow her to make money off the litter since the father was not registered
with them because he had no paper's and the litter could not be registered
because of it. It makes sence but I guess not all owners would be so honest.
You're right. Not everyone would be that honest. The puppies would not be eligible to be registered with the AKC, but there a lot of "alternative" registries that would have been happy to give you "papers" for the puppies as long as you pay a fee, send a picture of the parents and have someone/anyone (could be a friend or relative) "swear" that the dog is purebred.

Those registries are used all the time by puppy mills, backyard breeders and the other less than honest breeders so they can say they have "papers".
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I looked at bunches of litters in my area before I found little Ranger. His parents were both on site, and of course both registered. I have yet to send in his papers but it was very important for me that I got a purebred dog- I know it's silly b/c I haven't gotten him registered, but he's neutered so it doesn't matter. I didn't look at several litters due to the fact they were not registered- even when they stated both parents were on site. Just my two cents......
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I'm so glad this topic came up! I never filled out my section of Baileys application for registration. I kept putting it off and now it's 3 years later. I know her parents are AKC, and she'll never have puppies, so does it matter.
Am I a bad yorkie mOm?
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I think you can technically sell any dog for money... But you wouldn't be able to be classified as an AKC breeder. Is that right?
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Yorkies tend to be pretty pricey in the dog world. I don't think it's a wise idea to breed an unregistered dog.

If I saw that a dog was unregistered I wouldn't think that it was a very good breeder because there is always a reason why the dog wasn't registered. A lot of times a reputable breeder will sell pet quality with limited registration just so they can't be bred. To me it'd be a big warning flag if the puppies didn't have papers, it would mean(in my opinion) that the dog shouldn't have been bred and that the person was trying to make a quick buck.
I just have to say something here.. I bought a yorkie with breeding rights.. it is on my paperwork and paypal.. then the breeder being a bi otch decides she wants more money if I want my papers..this is after I get the dog. I did get my papers.. but I had to go a different and harder way to do this.. took me months So there actually can be circumstances that do not always mean a breeder is a bad person and got a bad dog, that was sold with unregistered papers.

Due to what happened to me personally.. these kinds of thread throw me into a spin.. I am not a bad person, nor bad breeder, but gee when this kinda stuff takes place.. it is hard on the darn pocket book.

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