Didn't Realize Puppymills Advertise... take a look

[jesscruz]

Originally Posted by txshopper73

Unfortunately, there are many wounds here on this site that will never heal.

i know and it's really sad i understand everyones frustration mills are horrible and it breaks my heart too and i think to here someone defending it per say is really bothersom. i just don't want anyone to say something they might regret. I LOVE EVERYONE HERE, i just don't want feelings to get hurt that's all...stepping out now.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by typerk

These dogs are treated better than some of our dogs to be honest. Did your breeder give you a 5 year guarantee? I know mine didn't. All I'm saying is that none of us seen this operation up close and just because we say it's one thing doesn't make it so. People are up in arms about something they haven't seen. Do you really know the operation your breeder runs or do you go by what they tell you? I'm not defending this place I'm just saying to me it doesn't appear to be a puppymill in the sense of what I think a puppymill to be. Just because they sell a lot of dogs doesn't make it so, in my most humblest of opinion of course.

Thank you for that.

Sometimes I feel like when the "mob mentality" takes over on here, all logic goes out the window and everyone just want a "piece" of the victim of the night.

I hate puppymills as much as the next person. From what I saw and read on that website those dogs were treated better than probably 90% of the dogs in this country, not as well as ours, but how many are? A very small minority. If it is all a lie then I am wrong. That does not give you, Tara, the right to accuse me of not loving my dogs or of not being worthy of your respect of your wishing my next puppy would die. That is the height of cruelty in my book.

I implore all of you to exercise your best judgment and read what I said before you crucify me further. I like to give people the benefit of the doubt and sometimes that is to my detriment but I do think people are inherently good rather than evil. You all know this about me.

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

None of the dogs live there for their whole lives. The puppies get sold within a few months of birth and go live with owners just like our dogs all did and the breeders breed for a few years and then are adopted out to loving homes to live the pampered lives of pets just as the breeding dogs of most other breeders. He states this on his site.

Sure puppies get sold - but let's remember WHERE they come from - it's the BREEDING FEMALES that are bred over and over...the puppies are pulled from their mothers to make way for the NEXT SET !!! HOW CAN you defend this ? ...We put criminals in Jails that are WAY better then most puppy mills. Man...I give up.

Edited...Oh please with the MOB Mentality - This isn't any mob thing - why you insist on trying to stir people up is what you need to look at.

it's just not fair to take a subject like this - then YOU jump in and defend Mills and expect people to sit back and say nothing - Personally it makes me upset - but that may be the point.

[StewiesMom]

Well, maybe I can get the last word since I started the thread Geez, I leave for 3 hours and I come home to this?

1. Re: crating: Yes, my dog is home alone while I am at work. He is not necessarily in a crate, but people who do crate do it for their dogs safety, not so while in the crate the Chihuahua can get with the Bichons to make Chi Chi Shons like it states on the site.

2. This idiot does not care about his dogs. He sells them to Petland for christ's sake. Some dog fighter can go pick up one of his Chi Chi Shons to use it in a dog fighting ring and he would have no idea. He doesn't care either. He sold it to Petland and got his $300 for it. HE BREEDS A BUNCH OF DOGS FOR PROFIT

3. His 5 year guarantee means NOTHING since he sold it to Petland. Contracts are worthless.

4. He's making mutts FOR PROFIT. Here's 259 homeless Yorkshire Terriers:
http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?act...Dog&pet.Size=S
. Adopt one of them instead. Or adopt this I'd bet 50% of them are from mills like him anyway. Here's a cute Chihuahua mix: http://www.petfinder.com/pet.cgi?act...50&tmpl=&stat= He needs a home, too. Or maybe they should just keep purposely mixing breeds and then disposing of them at the pound when they're done so all of these poor babies can be euthanized?

5. It took this miller all of 25 minutes to clean up his place and take a couple "good" photos that will last him a LIFETIME on his site. It never has to be clean again.

Anyway, carry on.

[txshopper73]

EVERYONE TAKE A BREATHER! STEP AWAY FROM THE COMPUTER!!!! You do realize that this thread will be closed once admin gets on!

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Just what is a puppymill? The term means different things to different people. This kennel owner has a 5 year warranty against death from disease and congenital defects. His facilities look immaculate and he "talks a good line" about socialization and temperament as well as his background in breeding. I don't see how every dog would get the attention it deserves but maybe he has a karge staff who interacts with the dogs. I found this link interesting reading~ It has another link to "What you can do if you think you have discovered a puppymill". Check it out if you are interested.
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http://www.canismajor.com/dog/puppymil.html

Natalie~

My first post on this thread simply asked the question, what is a puppymill? I think of something much worse than the conditions these dogs live in, that's all. Is it the best? NO. Is it what we would want for our furbabies? NO. But is it a puppymill that we need to report and try to get shut down....???? I just was trying to make the point that we have bigger fish to fry thst worth our time before this guy who feeds quality food, has clean kennels (the dirt is outside), has constant fresh water circulating in all kennels, who has vets on the premises, etc., etc., etc.

[StewiesMom]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Sometimes I feel like when the "mob mentality" takes over on here, all logic goes out the window and everyone just want a "piece" of the victim of the night.

Mob mentality and a group of people disagreeing with you and fighting for what they believe in are two very different things. Victim? Victims don't love this.

vic·tim P Pronunciation Key (vktm)
n.
One who is harmed or killed by another: a victim of a mugging.
One who is harmed by or made to suffer from an act, circumstance, agency, or condition: victims of war.
A person who suffers injury, loss, or death as a result of a voluntary undertaking: You are a victim of your own scheming.
A person who is tricked, swindled, or taken advantage of: the victim of a cruel hoax.

[natalie]

I can make a website and tell everyone that I run a multi-million dollar company. I could explain to them how my business runs and how they will make money if they invest in the stocks of my business. I could give them my PayPal account e-mail and I am sure someone will donate money to nothing just because they believed what they read. But some people will think it's completely fake and will analyze, than reanalyze. They will evaluate, and then revaluate.

The same goes to their "puppymill". They can say they give you a 5-year health guarantee. They can say they they have the cleanest kennels in all the world. They can say that their puppies are 100 times healthier than that of a breeder. Some people will actually believe them, but I am one of the people that just do not believe it.

But just think about it. There are websites that sell puppies. Beyond all their contracts and trivial guarantees, their only responsibility is sending a puppy to you after you paid them and some of them cannot even do that. So, what makes what this puppymiller say so legitimate? Nothing.

When they take pictures, who is to say that they did not "clean it up a little"? I understand that this is strictly my assumption but I am going through the "what if"s.

A kennel outside, in any way, cannot be healthy for a puppy. And that is my opinion.

[typerk]

This thread has gotten out of hand.

Anyway SoCal you are a horrible person for giving this place which may or may not be a puppy mill the benefit of the doubt. If you see anyone in possesion of over 10 dogs, even if it's on a bunch of acres and in what seems to be humane conditions you better automatically assume it's a puppy mill. Even if you don't believe it say it or people here will actually wish your dog dead, (can you believe that?) And I am a even worse person for agreeing with you. Who are we to have an opinion.

[StewiesMom]

What got me is the part where crating is the same as breeding females over and over in outdoor pens with dirt floors. That's where it got out of hand.

[Itspuppyluv]

[QUOTE=SoCalyorkiLvr]Thank you for that.

Sometimes I feel like when the "mob mentality" takes over on here, all logic goes out the window and everyone just want a "piece" of the victim of the night. [QUOTE]

No mob here. What I wrote is my opinion and I couldn't care less who disagrees with me. I am not attacking you or anyone else so please do not take it that way.

[natalie]

Originally Posted by typerk

This thread has gotten out of hand.

Anyway SoCal you are a horrible person for giving this place which may or may not be a puppy mill the benefit of the doubt. If you see anyone in possesion of over 10 dogs, even if it's on a bunch of acres and in what seems to be humane conditions you better automatically assume it's a puppy mill. Even if you don't believe it say it or people here will actually wish your dog dead, (can you believe that?) And I am a even worse person for agreeing with you. Who are we to have an opinion.

I find your sarcasm the least bit amusing. And, rather offensive.

Just because we disagree does not mean that we do not respect and value your opinion.

Kim (SoCal) is a great person and I have learned a lot from her. I value all of her opinions on this board and I have even asked her to mentor me on things beyond that of Yorkies. She is a very knowledgable person. The last thing I am going to do is disrespect her opinion.

[admin]

This is getting tired and old. YorkieTalk does not support puppymills, nor do we support leaving any dog in cages for extended periods of time (unless it's a boarding kennel or at a shelter). You may believe what you want to, but we're sick of reading about it and the arguments over it. We will just delete argumentative posts regarding puppymills.

It is not a good thing to leave a Yorkie (or any dog) in cages and outside for a long period of time. We have seen it personally and it is absolutely sickening to see. If you believe that cages outside for long periods of time are suitable for any dog, then you perhaps may not belong here as we do not agree with that and we never will. If you can put YOUR YORKIE in that situation for weeks and months, we could not understand that at all and thus we wouldn't want any Yorkie to be living in that cage for weeks or months. There are "better" puppymills and "worse" puppymills, but a puppymill is still a puppymill. If you want to buy from a puppymill, that's your prerogative and you can choose to do as you want to, but we won't support it.

ReconsMomma can post a new thread on this place if she gets a chance to go out and visit the place.