Didn't Realize Puppymills Advertise... take a look

[red98vett]

I got the info Here - http://www.doggiesparadise.com/puppymills.shtml

The puppies from these puppy mills are called "purebreds" but often assume little similarity to their breed standard. Decisions about which male to use with which female are based on profitability, leaving genetic issues for the unsuspecting puppy buyers to worry about later.

Unsafe breeding practices incline puppy mill dogs to inherited disorders like immune system deficiency, hip dysplasia, demodectic mange, seizures, yeast infections, or aggressive dog behavior.

Puppy mills over breed indiscriminately, as often as they can with as little cash output as possible. Puppy mills owners do not care about the future health of the puppies or the ruin they will cause in the lives of the people who buy them.

Furthermore, registration papers do not guarantee proper breeding conditions, health, quality, or claims to lineage of the puppy.

Lovely business isn't it.

[Breeze]

I disagreed and did not believe many things on his FAQ page.
To me this is a mill.

[red98vett]

And to really get us going ...This is famous now - it's a poem called 'Before I Die '- the life of a Puppy Mill dog...the last line sends Chills thru me.

'Tis lonely here in prison,
I dream of sun, of fields,
I saw them from a window once,
but I don't know how they feel.

I've never known a caress,
a friend, a bone, a toy,
I'd happily companion,
a human girl or boy.

But some men have decided,
with selfishness and greed,
that my fate shall be a cage,
and for my keep, I'll breed.

What should fuel this folly?
My kind may bark in vain.
We care not for your commerce,
and few know of our pain.

We're hidden well from justice,
for our freedom some may cry.
God grant me, please, just one request -
Let me play once before I die.

[whispersmom2]

V, thanx for your info. Did you do a cut and paste or write it in your own words? No matter, it was good girl..unfortunately, no matter who writes what (not on this forum but in general) there will be millers and unsuspecting buyers. Although the both of them could learn better..

[sylvan]

You were right Rini here's their 'warranty'. I'm going to try to bold the real interesting Parts. It may be good for TP.
WARRANTY



THESE PUPPIES ARE NOT GUARANTEED TO BE PERFECT, IN PERFECT HEALTH, OR

OTHERWISE ANY OTHER WORD DESCRIBING PERFECTION. THEY ARE LIVING CREATURE AND BECAUSE OF THAT HAVE ALL THE QUALITIES AND SHORTCOMINGS OF OTHER LIVING CREATURES. THESE PUPPIES ARE COVERED BY A CONDITIONAL AND LIMITED "STRAIGHT TALK" WARRANTY ONLY AND ANYTHING THAT IS NOT LISTED HEREIN WILL BE EXCLUDED AND NOT COVERED AND WILL BE THE RESPONSIBILITY OF THE PURCHASER.

1. INITIAL REPLACEMENT POLICY:

The person within 5 days after purchase has the puppies examined by a licensed veterinarian to validate this warranty. If the veterinary certifies in writing in letterform that a puppy has any life-threatening medical problems, the puppy may be returned and replaced with one of equal value and price. There are no cash refunds. PUPPY HAVEN reserves the right to withhold replacement if a veterinarian of its selection does not confirm diagnosis. Medical speculation will NOT be considered. Absolutely no "returned puppies" will enter the kennel.

EXCLUSION TO THE REPLACEMENT POLICY ARE AS FOLLOWS: kennel cough, bronchitis, respiratory infection, ear mites, monarchic, cryptorchid, undershot, overshot, show-breed-field qualities (or lack of), parasites (interior or exterior), hernias (known or unknown). A $25.00 reduction will be given when a puppy is purchased if it has a hernia.
2. FATAL DISEASE POLICY:

If a puppy dies as a result of distemper, hepatitis, corona, parvo or leptospirosis during the first 5 years from the date of purchase, PUPPY HAVEN will replace puppy with one of equal dollar value, provided: An autopsy is completed at the expense of the purchaser and the findings of the autopsy are documented in letter form and a copy given to PUPPY HAVEN

3. CONGENITAL DEFECT POLICY:

If the puppy is diagnosed as having a congenital heart murmur or hip displacia during the first 5 years from the date of purchase, the puppy must be returned and PUPPY HAVEN will replace the puppy with one of equal value and price, provided: x-rays (for dysplasia) are taken (at the expense of the purchaser) and a letter provided and both submitted to PUPPY HAVEN and/or a veterinarian of its selection and that the diagnosis is confirmed by a veterinarian of PUPPY HAVEN selection. Heart murmur will require a diagnostic letter and confirmation.

4. SUPPLEMENTARY TERMS:

1. PUPPY HAVEN is under no circumstances whatsoever obligated for any veterinarian expenses or medical procedures including, but not limited to, the following: physical exams, vaccinations, special diets, surgery, all medications, x-rays, emergency calls, or treatments of medical baths.

2. This puppy is sold and represented as a pet and companion animal only. PUPPY HAVEN is not responsible for it's show, breed or field qualities or lack of them.

3. Under no circumstances will there be any cash refunds.

4. Although inevitable in pet ownership, emotional attachment by the purchaser cannot be considered in policy decisions.

5. The warranty is not valid to anyone but the purchaser listed on it and is not transferable to anyone but the purchaser. Also, it is not extended to any other animal/pet with which the puppy may come into contact and PUPPY HAVEN is not responsible in any way for these animals/pets.

6. X-rays, autopsy reports and diagnostic letters are required for the above policies (at purchasers expense, if applicable) and must be submitted to PUPPY HAVEN when required or this warranty becomes invalid.

7. In the event of a medical problem with the puppy, the puppy must be returned to PUPPY HAVEN when requested.

8. This warranty will become invalid if the puppy does not receive an annual checkup (after puppy is at least 1 year old) by a licensed veterinarian.

9. PUPPY HAVEN is not responsible in any way for problems related to behavior, environment or training or lack of.

10. PUPPY HAVEN will not accept for return or exchange any puppy for allergy (known or unknown), marital or landlord-tenant problems or any problem not related to the life or health of the puppy.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by YorkieRose

Breeder states hybrids rarely have health problems, in what world do they live..not this one?

Pat~

I have read everything on the site and cannot find where he said this. I saw where he said "genetic defects are rarely seen in the hybrids". Is that the quote you meant?

[red98vett]

OMG THAT CONTRACT IS SICK ! Wow - Now I've heard it all - lol...yup talk about covering EVERY inch of their own butt - they mst have BIG butts cause that was alot of CYA'ing

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by SoCalyorkiLvr

Pat~

I have read everything on the site and cannot find where he said this. I saw where he said "hybrids rarely have genetic defects". Is that the quote you meant?

Are we going to PICK this apart ? Why keep going over irrevelant things - it's redundant to keep harping on small details - the overall picture here is pretty clear to most of us.

[CC's]

Any product to sell that is done in a "factory" type set up is a mill. If you commercially breed dogs strictly to sell for profit, raise them all in an assembly line type set up, your a mill.

Here is the definition that applies.


Mill........
"A process, agency, or institution that operates in a routine way or turns out products in the manner of a factory: The college was nothing more than a diploma mill. "

[whispersmom2]

Generous, huh? You can return the puppy and then IF they so desire after their vet diagnoses the pup/dog as he sees fit.This is the usual agreement..who is gonna send a puppy BACK to them and get another one with the same probability of problems..

[red98vett]

Originally Posted by CC's

Any product to sell that is done in a "factory" type set up is a mill. If you commercially breed dogs strictly to sell for profit, raise them all in an assembly line type set up, your a mill.

Here is the definition that applies.


Mill........
"A process, agency, or institution that operates in a routine way or turns out products in the manner of a factory: The college was nothing more than a diploma mill. "

Thank you !! Clean or dirty - a mill is a mill - same breeding reasons - same end result - There is no care or love for these animals - just profit for the Mill.

[sylvan]

It's hard to believe that anyone who likes dogs at all would think this is okay and defend it in anyway at all.

[SoCalyorkiLvr]

Originally Posted by whispersmom2

Generous, huh? You can return the puppy and then IF they so desire after their vet diagnoses the pup/dog as he sees fit.This is the usual agreement..who is gonna send a puppy BACK to them and get another one with the same probability of problems..

Would you be willing to share your contract with us for comparision purposes? Is yours the same as Pat's? As an attorney I am always interested in reading contracts. I actually thought his spelled out the expectations of both parties well and he informed the buyers up front of his policies none of which seemed inherently unusual or one sided to me. They are free to walk after reading the contract. It was not long, in small print or full of legalese. I found it straight forward and forthright.

I think breeders get blamed for way too much when a puppy gets sick so I liked the part about the puppies not being "perfect". No one is perfect...we are all flawed in some way.

Wow, did I just set myself up with that last line???????

[iheartyorkies]

Kim, I respect your opinion as well and have always enjoyed your friendship on this forum. But on this issue we may have to agree to disagree. I will always be strongly opposed to mass production of puppies no matter what the environment. I stand by my belief that it is not humanly possible to give that many dogs the love and affection they crave. Yorkies are cute and perky, definately, but what steals our heart is the unconditional love and affection they give us. To me, that's a special gift. It shouldn't be trodden on. This post is in no way meant to disparage you. I continue to respect your opinion. I just happen to disagree this time. Wow, I think that's a first! All relationships are made stronger by an honest exchange of ideas.

[yorkiegal719]

Ok, here's my 2 cents. That is a puppymill, no matter how clean, how "good" the contract sounds. He sells only hybrids, but doesn't keep them for breeding. What are these people doing with these hybirds? Probably going to breed them, here they go again No spay/neuter contract, especailly on these hybrids. Anyone who raises more puppies than they could handle by themselves to me is a puppymill. If they all need your attention at the same time how in the world are you going to give them the care that they need? Would you want to see your precious pet in these surroundings? I don't think so. Think about it, anyone, would you yourself want to be caged all day and never be able to be part of life, I don't think so. So I wish that our wonderful Dept. of Agri. would start to buckel down on some of these crazy guide lines that they have instituted that they think is ok, wire floors, I think it's inhuman even for chickens, but that's another story...