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Old 11-17-2007, 02:44 AM   #1
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I dont know how many times I have read that big dogs or animals including hawks taking off with our toy breeds. I am overly protective of my dogs when out. I do not trust nor will I trust big dogs who are stranger's dogs near my dogs, I dont care how much they claim their dogs are friends, I will not. I have heard too many horrible stories of toy breeds being snatched and killed or eaten, this is just heartbreaking.

PLEASE PROTECT YOUR BABIES, remember they think they are big but they are not.
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Aww So sad your dogs will never get to socialize with other dogs.
I let Bella go up and sniff other dogs because it is normal. You can tell by the way other dogs act if they are going to be passive or aggressive. I actually had a GREAT DANE lay down so Bella could play.
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I am protective too! If a stranger has a huge dog and they're like ohh dont worry theyre friendly, i still hold mine back or pick them up. I let them say hi to small dogs though.
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I am protective too! If a stranger has a huge dog and they're like ohh dont worry theyre friendly, i still hold mine back or pick them up. I let them say hi to small dogs though.
Sure, I agree, I have had a lab in the neighborhood who said oh he is friendly bolt out the owners hand and runs to the yorkie and it WAS not friendly, poor scooby was terrified and the owner was angry I didnt allow his dog to growl at scooby.Is he NUTS? I have had another Pom who was attacked two times while walking calmly minding our business by dogs who WERE supposed to be friendly, and by attack I mean they went straight to the throat. Iam no fool. Some dogs may not do this is they are raised together, but hell if I trust strangers dogs on the street. Some can sniff with leash on. If I see a big dog without a leash hell, i am taking up my babies. It is my DUTY to protect them.

They see and play with numerous dogs at the dog school all sizes and breeds. I dont have to allow this with large breeds. I dont want this, trainer also said it is my right. I allow them to meet many other dogs who are small and medium but I w ill not allow them t be sniffed by a large dog that I do not know off leash. Hell NO

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Well, we have our own 2 big outside dogs(a shepherd and a golden retriever), they can smell my little dogs through the dog run..I don't think either of the big dogs would hurt them, BUT then again, they could hurt them without meaning too, as the big dogs are still young(2 and 1) and one step on these little dogs could be deadly!
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I really don't believe that either about aggressive/passive beahvior..Our neighbor has a pit bull(it's 1 1/2 years old), it will come to you with its tail going..would you trust it? The guy has already told us hes mean, and this dog has been lose a few times
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I agree that you have to be very careful with unknown dogs, make sure you know they are safe. Its a good idea to let them socialize with big dogs that belong to friends or family that you know are friendly. When they are little they need to spend time with big dogs, little dogs, fat dogs, thin dogs, long haired dogs, short haired dogs etc etc so that they are friendly towards them all as adults
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Oh, I agree with being careful around big dogs. Even though my two are teapots, I'm very wary of larger animals. You just never know, and why risk something that could be potentially deadly?

We go to the dog park (on the small dog side). Back in August we heard a ruckus on the big dog side and two dogs had gotten into a brawl. It was really hard for the humans to get the fight broken up, water was flying, others were grabbing their dogs...it was really scary. But...both dogs walked away with minor injuries. If one of the two had been a little one, they would've been done. No doubt in my mind.

Also, when I was a little girl I saw a friendly husky pick up a dalmation (not a small dog by any stretch, but small for a dalmation) and shake it like a rag doll. That husky had always seemed friendly too.

Finally, Ginger has been going to "dog club" since she was a pup. But there was one dog there that she had issues with (a female shihtzu) Of course, no one realized how serious this was on until one day the shih was on my dh's lap. Ginger saw this from across the yard and took off, flew through the air and lit into her . A nasty "fight" ensued. All this was happening on dh's lap and he was able to seperate them by himself, neithier dog befell any harm. (and we've since worked with the other owner and the "girls", if not firm friends, tolerate each other)

I would not have thought she'd do that. But she did. I'm sure the big dog owners believe their dogs wont either. Many won't. But it only takes one mistake.

If two little dogs get into a fight, they both stand a chance. But if there's a problem between a little dog and a big dog, we all know who loses.
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I know my 2 big dogs, I know they are super friendly, even with strangers, but, I do know not meaning too, they could hurt these little ones..I know Fritz has gotten out of the back door before when it's been opened, and the 2 big ones have been running, and the shepherd has chased him, thinking he's wanting to play, and has put her paw on him and flipped him over, so know, what could happen, and with Ginger, she is very tiny, and these 2 big dogs are used to chasing squirrels, rabbits, cats, anything they see in our back yard...so, wouldn't want them to hurt her..but, like I said, she does go up to the dog run and sniff at them, I want them to know she belongs here..I just know what one big paw on these little ones can do, and I'm not taking the chance!
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My neighbors lab killed her Yorkie puppy. He was not being mean or agressive but just playing ball. They both went after the ball at the same time and when the lab bit into the ball he bit the puppy's neck and severed her jugular. She bled to death in minutes. It's good to be overprotective in my opinion.
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My neighbors lab killed her Yorkie puppy. He was not being mean or agressive but just playing ball. They both went after the ball at the same time and when the lab bit into the ball he bit the puppy's neck and severed her jugular. She bled to death in minutes. It's good to be overprotective in my opinion.
That's why I am very cautious...I know a black lab is a sweet dog, as is a golden retriever, and sheperds too, if they're brought up right, but, things can happen, and there is such a big size difference...neither of my big dogs would ever hurt my little ones on purpose, but yet, it could happen..this is why the big dogs get their free run first, and after they're put up in the dog run, then the little ones get their turn..
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I'm careful with mine too. They've been raised around all sized dogs in our home, but I wouldn't trust a stranger.
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We have a golden retriever who lives next door. She is 8 months just like my Ollie. Ollie use to get under the fence with the help of the golden digging -- very friendly dog BUT i was so fearful she would accidently hurt Ollie. We have chicken wired and layed bricks along that side of the fence and now they play through the fence!!
About 6 years ago my chihuahua was attacked by a "friendly" dog who was "just playing" and the friendly dog took him in his mouth and shook him a few times--- punctured his spleen and collasped his lung!!!!!! He survived after 9 very expensive days at the vet.
Honestly you can NOT be too careful!!
I get very nervous whenever Ollie or Reese are near other dogs. But Ollie does get solcialized-- we have 2 great friends in our neighborhood with 8 month old yorkie brothers.
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Oh Wow!
This one really hits home for me. Over the past ten years, I've had TWO small dogs attacked by other dogs. One (a Sheltie) was on her leash at the time, I was exercising the other (an Italian Greyhound) in a huge park.
A German Shepherd spotted her from a l-o-o-ong ways away and came running. I couldn't get to Java (the I.G.) before she saw him coming at her and she took off in a desperate attempt to outrun him Being an Italian Greyhound she could go like the wind. She was outrunning him and looping in a big circle back to me, but looked over her shoulder and slipped in the wet grass (it had been raining earlier).
The Shepherd was all over her in seconds! It took me longer than that to get to them,screaming and crying, but I swear, I would have done whatever I needed to do to get him away from her. He must have understood that, and took off just as I got to them. Java lay still, outstretched,eyes closed, covered in fecal material, and a front leg bent backwards at an impossible angle.
End result, vet bills in excess of $900.00 and a dog that was NEVER the same.
The attack in which the dog was on her leash ended a little better, I hoisted the dog up into my arms and hit the attacking dog (a pitbll) in the lips as hard as I could with the metal end of the leash. He hesitated a moment and I thought *I* was in trouble, but he decided against it and ambled away.
As a groomer, I've heard SO many stories of attacks on little dogs by larger ones and two of my clients have had their dogs killed by other dogs.(Several others have been able to interfere, but it's always HUGE vet bills and the attacked dogs almost always is left with ongoing emotional AND physical problems.)
This is a FAR greater problem than most people are aware of.... talk to some people who work in vet clinics.
With Tyke being so tiny, I am absolutely paranoid. I never allow him offleash except on my own property or on my parent's farm. When I walk him I'm always aware of what other dogs are around and how interested they are in him and I walk with a walking stick or something that will double as protection if we're attacked. (I'm actually looking into getting some mace)
At night, when it's time for final bathroom duties, I always go outside with Sparkle and Tyke.
I've SEEN owls take rabbits ..they hit them so hard and so fast that even if you were 10 feet away, you'd be helpless to prevent it. At less than 3 lbs. even IF I was able to prevent the owl from taking Tyke away, the force of the strike would almost certainly kill him. If nothing else, it would break or sever his spine, and the talons would PROBABLY peirce his heart.
Think of it for a moment, large raptors (hawks etc.) are MADE to kill small prey quickly and efficiently, they don't have much ability to subdue prey once they're on the ground, and their talons "lock" into place for a few seconds after the strike. They don't want to put themselves at risk by taking something that would fight back.
When I was growing up, owls and hawks would quite routinely took cats/kittens on our farm. You hear stories of the animal wailing etc. as it's carried away.. believe me, it doesn't happen that way. Depending on the size of the bird, their prey is dead or debilitated as soon as it's hit.
Sparkle doesn't cause me QUITE as much angst as she's 9 lbs., but I'm still ultra careful.
I've lived with, owned, competed, and worked with dogs my entire life. In my opinion, owners of small dogs need to be EXTREMELY careful, Far too many put their dogs at risk without havine ANY idea how quickly and how badly things can go wrong.
And now I'll quietly get off my soap box and go away.
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I feel for you...Like I've stated, even though my shepherd is friendly, just her playing alone could hurt these little ones, better safe than sorry...Mine are socialized,with eachother..I feel having 4 of them, they don't need much more socialization than that..
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