Potty Training with praise vs rolled newspaper - YorkieTalk.com Forums

gk0820 · 04-06-2007, 07:32 PM

Will someone please explain the concept of not using roll up newpaper to gently spank your pup when he pottys in the wrong place. I have been using the praise method to train my pup for about two months. My pup will go potty with the praise method outside when I take him. However, he still will potty in the house in between the time I take him out. I usually takes him about every 45 minutes. While in the crate he holds himself about 4 hours while I am at work, so I know he can hold it between the times I take him out. In frustration I popped him with newspaper and now he goes to the door when he needs to potty.

Itspuppyluv · 04-06-2007, 09:51 PM

I'll have a go at it.
It has to do with the bond between you and the dog. A gentle spank doesn't seem like much but there is either pain or fear involved or it would not work. You are teaching your dog to fear you. I'm sure there are a lot of people that think that is fine as long as he doesn't pee inside my house but do you really want your dog to be afraid of you? When it is completely unnecessary?
You might not see it and your dog cannot tell you but put yourself in his place for a moment. What if someone took a newspaper and smacked you on the nose when they wanted to get you to do something?

It took me longer to train my dog but he worships me and I am being completely honest when I tell you I could probably teach him to do anything I wanted at this point. He will do anything to please me.

Housebreaking takes patience, consistency and vigilance. ESPECIALLY with yorkies. Your dog is not failing you, you are failing him.

Hitting him you are getting the fast fix but it comes with a price.

Itspuppyluv · 04-07-2007, 12:45 AM

The reason he holds it while in the crate is because dogs don't like to soil where they sleep but once free it is just as natural to him to pee in the house as it is outside. He doesn't understand the difference and what you want from him yet.
The more times you successfully get him to go outside and let him know he is doing the right thing and the less he goes in the house the quicker he will catch on. When you can't keep on eye on him, confine him.
It is a lot of work sometimes but I'm sure he makes up for it in many other ways.

Siara28 · 04-09-2007, 07:27 AM

Could it be he just actually GOT IT?? It took my lil guy about 2 months to train him, and MAGICALLY ONE day he just STOPPED going in the house, and started going outside all the time. Coincidently it happened to be a day we had burgers and that was his treat for the evening (leftover from my daughters burger) and he knew by going to the door he would get this wonderful treat. Maybe your dog finally GOT it and too bad it happened to be around the time you popped him with the newspaper??!?!? Try doing the positive once again and see if he doesn't just try pleasing you by continuing to go to the door??

Good luck, I DO get your frustration!!!!

Heidi

biewerlover · 04-09-2007, 08:20 AM

spanking a dog with a newspaper (or anything) is very outdated practice along with rubbing their nose in it etc. I personally would never hit (tap) a Yorkie as they are so sensitive. Generally I find when the potty training isn't working either the dog is not understanding something, too young to expect him/her to be trained, or the owner is not getting the dog on a feeding schedule and getting him/her out enough OR the owner is giving dog run of the house too early and not watching the dog. It can feel like a long road to housetrain a Yorkie but the patience, consistency and positive praise will certainly pay off in the long run with a life time of joy. Hang in there and put that newspaper away or save it for reading only

Kathy

simplyyorkies · 04-09-2007, 08:23 AM

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Originally Posted by gk0820

Will someone please explain the concept of not using roll up newpaper to gently spank your pup when he pottys in the wrong place. I have been using the praise method to train my pup for about two months. My pup will go potty with the praise method outside when I take him. However, he still will potty in the house in between the time I take him out. I usually takes him about every 45 minutes. While in the crate he holds himself about 4 hours while I am at work, so I know he can hold it between the times I take him out. In frustration I popped him with newspaper and now he goes to the door when he needs to potty.

Newspapers are to be read not used to punish. Spanking a dog doesnt help the dog to understand where it should potty. You stated that praise works outside but when inside you find urine/feces and become frustrated so he only knows that energy inside. Try using a calm attitude inside and out and realize that potty training takes time.

Siara28 · 04-09-2007, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by gk0820

However, he still will potty in the house in between the time I take him out. I usually takes him about every 45 minutes. .

How old is your pup??

Also, I think 45 min. of bringing them out is also too long. I found that I consistently brought Scruffy out every 1/2 hour whenever he was awake and had free roam (of our KITCHEN.......blocked him off from our living room until he was down to 1-2 accidents/wk)and 1/2 hour really worked for us!!! If for some reason we were eating or something at the 1/2 hour mark, I brought him out at the 20-25 min. mark.......rarely going over 1/2 hour. I always told myself that I may be obsessive with bringing him outside.........but it will pay me back once I get him trained...........and believe me, it did!!!!! Scruffy was potty trained right before 4 months, and I KNOW it was because of my consistency!!! YES, I got frustrated and irritated when he pottied inside, but never ONCE did I blame him..........those few accidents he had was usually AFTER the 30 minute mark........and that was MY FAULT. If you can catch them in the act of peeing or pooing, that will make an impact rather than after the fact!
GOOD LUCK!!!

Sweetums · 04-11-2007, 04:06 PM

Any kind of punishment for going potty is only going to make a dog, especially Yorkies who we know are smart and sensative little dogs, want to hide his potty going from you that much more. Their little brains don't connect going in a certain spot with punishment, especially if it is timed after the fact. The only thing they connect the punishment with is that you are mad because of their potty (regardless of where it happened). So they are naturally going to try to hide from you to do it. That only makes training all the more difficult since you will have a tough time getting your dog to signal to you that it's time to go potty.

This is why it is imperative that you only reward and time the reward to happen at the moment they are going on the right place while they are going. If the potty happens in the wrong place, ignoring is the best way to handle it. Just clean it up and don't say or do anything beyond that. Yorkies are very reward oriented, so you can trust that your puppy will work harder to try to get that reward by going in the right place very quickly.

my2boyz · 04-11-2007, 04:14 PM

to what everyone said! I potty trained 2 males at the same time and I never had to use any form of punishment...especially not hitting.

melmel84 · 04-11-2007, 04:20 PM

You know what is really odd? Mine has always had been blocked off from 3 differnt rooms , only ones open to him were the kitchen, living room, and my bedroom. Well he always peepee and poopoo'ed in my room, so I finally baby gated it off and magically after a year and a half he holds it until he is taken out. Very interesting. I dont think hitting is the way to go, but my parents would disagree. I believe it is up to the discretion of the owner.

JeanieK · 04-11-2007, 04:28 PM

Using the rolled newspaper to smack a table, or your hand, will probably have the same effect. It's the sound that gets their attention and startles them.

The big thing is, to actually catch thm in the act, and correct it immediatedly. They might go outside and know it is a good thing because it makes you jump up and down and get all excited, but until they have been caught going inside and scolded, they do not know that it is wrong.

my sitation. Mine are kept in the laundry room with a doggie door to the patio, and that works just fine. They do not potty in the laundry room. In the evening I let them in the living room with us while we watch TV. I keep a close eye on them and have caught them in the act and startled them with a loud NO, and hustled them outside. So now they are good in the living room.

However, the kitchen is in between the laundry room and the kitchen and they will potty in the kitchen

. The past few days, our weather has been so cold and wet and dreadful, that I've felt sorry for them and have allowed them in the kitchen to play and every time they potty. Go figure.

04-06-2007, 07:32 PM	#1
gk0820 Yorkie Talker Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 23	Potty Training with praise vs rolled newspaper Will someone please explain the concept of not using roll up newpaper to gently spank your pup when he pottys in the wrong place. I have been using the praise method to train my pup for about two months. My pup will go potty with the praise method outside when I take him. However, he still will potty in the house in between the time I take him out. I usually takes him about every 45 minutes. While in the crate he holds himself about 4 hours while I am at work, so I know he can hold it between the times I take him out. In frustration I popped him with newspaper and now he goes to the door when he needs to potty. Last edited by gk0820; 04-06-2007 at 07:35 PM.

04-06-2007, 09:51 PM	#2
Itspuppyluv Gus Is The Fuss Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,277	I'll have a go at it. It has to do with the bond between you and the dog. A gentle spank doesn't seem like much but there is either pain or fear involved or it would not work. You are teaching your dog to fear you. I'm sure there are a lot of people that think that is fine as long as he doesn't pee inside my house but do you really want your dog to be afraid of you? When it is completely unnecessary? You might not see it and your dog cannot tell you but put yourself in his place for a moment. What if someone took a newspaper and smacked you on the nose when they wanted to get you to do something? It took me longer to train my dog but he worships me and I am being completely honest when I tell you I could probably teach him to do anything I wanted at this point. He will do anything to please me. Housebreaking takes patience, consistency and vigilance. ESPECIALLY with yorkies. Your dog is not failing you, you are failing him. Hitting him you are getting the fast fix but it comes with a price. __________________ Erin & Gus Gus You lost me at stay! "He is a good heart and a kind soul, and an angel on four feet." MW Last edited by Itspuppyluv; 04-06-2007 at 09:52 PM.

04-07-2007, 12:45 AM	#3
Itspuppyluv Gus Is The Fuss Donating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 2,277	The reason he holds it while in the crate is because dogs don't like to soil where they sleep but once free it is just as natural to him to pee in the house as it is outside. He doesn't understand the difference and what you want from him yet. The more times you successfully get him to go outside and let him know he is doing the right thing and the less he goes in the house the quicker he will catch on. When you can't keep on eye on him, confine him. It is a lot of work sometimes but I'm sure he makes up for it in many other ways. __________________ Erin & Gus Gus You lost me at stay! "He is a good heart and a kind soul, and an angel on four feet." MW Last edited by Itspuppyluv; 04-07-2007 at 12:46 AM.

04-11-2007, 04:20 PM	#10
melmel84 YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Syracuse Posts: 425	You know what is really odd? Mine has always had been blocked off from 3 differnt rooms , only ones open to him were the kitchen, living room, and my bedroom. Well he always peepee and poopoo'ed in my room, so I finally baby gated it off and magically after a year and a half he holds it until he is taken out. Very interesting. I dont think hitting is the way to go, but my parents would disagree. I believe it is up to the discretion of the owner. __________________ Melissa, Tino & Remy

04-09-2007, 07:27 AM	#4
Siara28 Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Minnesota Posts: 151	Could it be he just actually GOT IT?? It took my lil guy about 2 months to train him, and MAGICALLY ONE day he just STOPPED going in the house, and started going outside all the time. Coincidently it happened to be a day we had burgers and that was his treat for the evening (leftover from my daughters burger) and he knew by going to the door he would get this wonderful treat. Maybe your dog finally GOT it and too bad it happened to be around the time you popped him with the newspaper??!?!? Try doing the positive once again and see if he doesn't just try pleasing you by continuing to go to the door?? Good luck, I DO get your frustration!!!! Heidi

04-09-2007, 08:20 AM	#5
biewerlover YT Addict Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: wisconsin Posts: 272	spanking a dog with a newspaper (or anything) is very outdated practice along with rubbing their nose in it etc. I personally would never hit (tap) a Yorkie as they are so sensitive. Generally I find when the potty training isn't working either the dog is not understanding something, too young to expect him/her to be trained, or the owner is not getting the dog on a feeding schedule and getting him/her out enough OR the owner is giving dog run of the house too early and not watching the dog. It can feel like a long road to housetrain a Yorkie but the patience, consistency and positive praise will certainly pay off in the long run with a life time of joy. Hang in there and put that newspaper away or save it for reading only Kathy

04-11-2007, 04:06 PM	#8
Sweetums Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Kirkland WA Posts: 431	Any kind of punishment for going potty is only going to make a dog, especially Yorkies who we know are smart and sensative little dogs, want to hide his potty going from you that much more. Their little brains don't connect going in a certain spot with punishment, especially if it is timed after the fact. The only thing they connect the punishment with is that you are mad because of their potty (regardless of where it happened). So they are naturally going to try to hide from you to do it. That only makes training all the more difficult since you will have a tough time getting your dog to signal to you that it's time to go potty. This is why it is imperative that you only reward and time the reward to happen at the moment they are going on the right place while they are going. If the potty happens in the wrong place, ignoring is the best way to handle it. Just clean it up and don't say or do anything beyond that. Yorkies are very reward oriented, so you can trust that your puppy will work harder to try to get that reward by going in the right place very quickly.

04-11-2007, 04:14 PM	#9
my2boyz Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: In my house :) Posts: 5,219	to what everyone said! I potty trained 2 males at the same time and I never had to use any form of punishment...especially not hitting.

04-11-2007, 04:28 PM	#11
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	Using the rolled newspaper to smack a table, or your hand, will probably have the same effect. It's the sound that gets their attention and startles them. The big thing is, to actually catch thm in the act, and correct it immediatedly. They might go outside and know it is a good thing because it makes you jump up and down and get all excited, but until they have been caught going inside and scolded, they do not know that it is wrong. my sitation. Mine are kept in the laundry room with a doggie door to the patio, and that works just fine. They do not potty in the laundry room. In the evening I let them in the living room with us while we watch TV. I keep a close eye on them and have caught them in the act and startled them with a loud NO, and hustled them outside. So now they are good in the living room. However, the kitchen is in between the laundry room and the kitchen and they will potty in the kitchen . The past few days, our weather has been so cold and wet and dreadful, that I've felt sorry for them and have allowed them in the kitchen to play and every time they potty. Go figure.