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Old 04-04-2007, 10:12 AM   #1
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Our little yorkie, Emma, is 10 months old. We are having a few big training issues and I don't know what to do?!?

1) She uses a potty pad and "was" completely trained. Now, for the past two months or so she refused to poop on the pad even though she knows she is supposed to. She pees on it just fine though. Then, when we even call her name after she is done it in the wrong spot, her ears go back and she immediately knows what she did wrong. Not sure how to get her completely on the pad again ... nothing is working.

2) We are still having serious issues with bed time. If we put her in the crate she cries and cries and cries and cries. This has never changed since day 1 ... it is horrible. She can go on all night long. So, we started to put her in bed with us. We have to take her to the potty pad 4+ times in the middle of the night and sometimes she has accidents in our bed. We just got brand new bedding so this is not an option any more. We just have no idea how to stop her from crying all night long in her crate...

SO ... how do I get her to go #2 on the potty pad and how do I get her to sleep through the night in her crate without waking up our entire condo building?? We are out of ideas ....

Thanks for listening ... any help is greatly appreciated!!

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Our little yorkie, Emma, is 10 months old. We are having a few big training issues and I don't know what to do?!?

1) She uses a potty pad and "was" completely trained. Now, for the past two months or so she refused to poop on the pad even though she knows she is supposed to. She pees on it just fine though. Then, when we even call her name after she is done it in the wrong spot, her ears go back and she immediately knows what she did wrong. Not sure how to get her completely on the pad again ... nothing is working.

2) We are still having serious issues with bed time. If we put her in the crate she cries and cries and cries and cries. This has never changed since day 1 ... it is horrible. She can go on all night long. So, we started to put her in bed with us. We have to take her to the potty pad 4+ times in the middle of the night and sometimes she has accidents in our bed. We just got brand new bedding so this is not an option any more. We just have no idea how to stop her from crying all night long in her crate...

SO ... how do I get her to go #2 on the potty pad and how do I get her to sleep through the night in her crate without waking up our entire condo building?? We are out of ideas ....

Thanks for listening ... any help is greatly appreciated!!

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I completely understand what you're going through...in fact, some of the similarities are STRANGE...I too have an "Emma" who is now a year, and we got her when we lived in a condo. I think that once you put them in your bed to sleep at night, you can't go back. Once they sleep with the "pack" it's hard to retrain them NOT to sleep with you. We have Emma in our bed every night since we had problems with her crying at night in her crate or pen in the condo. Now she sleeps with us every night and has no problems making noise, unless she hears something outside. Emma will get down and go potty at night by herself if she needs to-but we have a lower style platform bed.

You might try crating her with her favorite blanket and non-squeaky toy, and putting the crate next to your bed. If she cries, tell her "NO" firmly. Don't talk to her or use a "baby" voice to soothe her-it will only make it worse because she'll like the attention.

The first thing I would advise you to do is to take her to the vet and make sure she doesn't have a bladder infection...4 times to potty in one night is too many. Next, I would advise you to keep her on a food/water schedule. Offer food at the same times (2 or 3) every day, leave it down for 10 minutes, and then pick it up. If she doesn't eat, pick it up anyway. She'll soon learn to eat when there is food down. Feed her no later than 6:30 at night, and she won't need to poop after you go to bed. Also, take her water away at 8 pm. That way, her potty trip before bed should be her last until morning.

Finally, I would recommend that you not let her nap before bedtime. Make sure she's active especially in the 2-3 hours between dinner and bedtime, quieting down but NOT sleeping for the hour just before bed. That way, you can be sure she's not getting TOO MUCH sleep, and she'll be nice and worn out and sleepy when you're ready to go to bed too.

Good luck, and let us know how you're doing!
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Suzy, great advice... I agree with seeing the vet for a UTI or bladder infection... that's way too much peeing....

When we first brought our little girl home, she cried in her crate... but we ignored her and it stopped after 10 minutes... the next night, she cried again but we continued to ignore her and she stopped at 5 minutes.. yup, we were timing it!! LOL she now never cries in her crate...

regarding the poop... does she have a scent of her poop on the pad?? when she has an accident, try just rubbing a little of it on the pad (ya, i know it sounds nasty!! LOL) so that she knows that's where she needs to go.. i had to do that the first few time, and when she does do it, give her a treat and lots of praise... my girl does it on the pad ALL the time now... our new mission is to get her doing it outside!!

Good luck, and keep us posted!!
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Thank you both so much!! These tips are very helpful. We have been so stressed about things lately because it feels like she is moving backwards. Tonight will are going to try her in the crate all night long. I'm a bit nervous because she can cry for hours. Literally hours.

Keep your fingers crossed and wish me luck

Suzy, too funny that we both have little Emma's! Thanks for the great tips!
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My name is Betty and my little baby is Teddy Bear. I have not been successful at the whole potty training thing since I got him. He has wee wee pads but won't use them. He is 2 years old now, what do I do. One thing I know is part of the problem is he's home alone all day long. Everyone is at work and school.
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Hi Becca,

My Snickers was trained on the potty pads too until he got his tempert shot and then he just ran with them in his mouth and scratched them to pieces. As for the crate training. Snicks would cry all night too until one night I put a towel over the crate and he couldnt see me, so he would fall fast asleep. I know it sounds crazy, but I think as long as your little one sees you she is going to cry because she wants to be near you. I say you try it and see what happens. I am still trying to potty train Snicks, so I have no help on that. When I figure it out. I will let you know. Ha....Good Luck and be patient

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We had our baby girl in bed with us the first couple of months but then she got heavy and wanted to sleep on our feet. Then she would whine when we moved, so we had to put her back in her crate. It actually worked better than we thought. We put her in her crate next to our bed. The first two nights, we gave her some drops of rescue remedy on her tongue before bed. This kept her calm and aside from a couple of barks and whines of protest which we shushed her for, she went to sleep and slept all night. I've noticed that she doesn't wake up during the night if she is nice and warm, so I've put a feather pillow in her crate to sleep on which keeps her a lot warmer and cover her crate with a blanket to insulate it from the cold, since we have our bedroom window open at night.

We trained her to go on the pad since we didn't want to spend every half hour outside for 15 minutes. So we watched her, waited for her to start to squat and rushed her to the pad. Then we threw a party for her complete with treats, and kept that up until she got the idea that going potty on the pad = treats.

We are now training her to use the pad outside on our deck and are about 50% successful so far. She still goes poo on the carpet where her pad was about half the time, but if we watch for the signs (circling and sniffing) then we can get her out fast enough to her pad.

The next step, once she doesn't have to go as often is to get her to go in the yard. She already knows how to pee in the grass, but hasn't done poo there yet.
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Well, last night Emma cried the "entire" night! We got not an ounce of sleep ... BUT we did not budge and she stayed in her crate. Hopefully she will get this eventually ...

Thanks again for the great tips ... they are all so helpful!! Keep them coming if you have more

Snickers Mommy, thanks for the blanket idea ... I am going to try that tonight!!
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yes, my friend used the blanket over the crate.. and said that worked as well!!! good luck...
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Well, last night Emma cried the "entire" night! We got not an ounce of sleep ... BUT we did not budge and she stayed in her crate. Hopefully she will get this eventually ...

Thanks again for the great tips ... they are all so helpful!! Keep them coming if you have more

Snickers Mommy, thanks for the blanket idea ... I am going to try that tonight!!
Strange, my Emma was up all night too-I think I woke up every hour, not exaggerating. For some reason she just wouldn't sleep. Bad night for Emmas I guess!

Did you get her into the vet yet?

I'm proud of you for being strong and not letting her out last night. Maybe tonight she'll only cry for 2 hours I've been thinking about you and what you're going through, and I have a few more ideas for you.

Here's a couple more ideas that you might try-it worked for us with Milli, and I think it sent Emma the message at the time, though I felt like such a bad Mommy doing it :

If they're really crying hard and you've just GOT to get some sleep, try banging something metal on the metal front of the cage. That used to quiet our Emma down at least for a LITTLE while. I used to sleep with my grandmother's old aluminum measuring spoon set (on a ring) next to the bed. When Emma would cry loud, I'd bang it on the front of her crate. It got to the point where all I had to do was to shake the spoons and she'd quiet down. For some reason they HATE that noise. I got that tip on here!

Also, one night it got REALLY bad, both with Emma and Milli when we first brought each of them home. I think everyone has a "bad" night in the first few months. Anyway, we had to completely isolate them in another room in their crates. YES, your neighbors might not appreciate this, so turn on a TV or a radio to at least muffle the noise. (at least maybe YOU can get some sleep!) The dogs hate to be separated from the pack, and one night of crying and carrying on AWAY from you might help them to learn that they need to be quiet when WITH you.

Finally, make sure you have a routine that you follow, and something "fun" that signals bedtime. With Emma, we got one of those little puppy toys that has buckwheat inside, and you microwave it so it stays warm for awhile. We'd give that to Emma ONLY at bedtime, and we'd put it in her crate/pen with her. That was her special toy, and after a few weeks, we'd say, "bedtime" and she'd go get the toy. We called it her snuggle puppy, and she loves him to this day.

Best of luck! Keep us updated.
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Gosh, I don't know about banging on the crate. Dogs respond much better to positive reinforcement than to negative consequences. I think you should try doing something that will create a positive association with the crate. As weird as it sounds, you might try putting a piece of your dirty laundry in the crate with your puppy, underwear or lingerie because it smells very strongly of you and that is more likely to make them feel they are actually physically close to you. The more negative associations you create to the crate, I would think the more negatively the dog will react to being put into it for the night.

And again, I recommend using Rescue Remedy drops. The idea is to create a feeling of relaxation when the puppy goes into the crate. This is what Rescue Remedy does. It puts their brains into an induced state of relaxation, and coupled with being in the crate, they learn to associate the two, i.e. crate=relaxation/sleep. It only took two nights for our puppy to get the connection.
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A couple thoughts I had while reading your post -

As a couple others have mentioned - have her checked for UTI. Pottying 4 times a night at her age seems excessive, unless you allow her to drink a lot of water in the evening. Try taking up her water about 7pm.

She should not be sleeping with you until she is completely potty trained. Until she understands the rules of the house, like pottying in the proper place and not urinating in your bed she should not be allowed on the bed or on furniture.

Prior to putting your pup in the crate for bed take a walk with her. Put her on lead and head around the block or two and tire her out. Don't allow her to stop and smell things just walk. Keep her moving. At the end of the walk allow her to stop and do all of her pottying business. By doing this you are working her body and her mind. Don't make a big deal of crating her. Just say "kennel" or "In" or whatever word you want to use and shut the door. If she starts to whine - do not look at her or use any words. Just make a noise or snap your fingers. Go about your routine. Each time she starts to whine make the noise or snap your fingers. If you have exercised her well she will fall asleep within 5-10 min. Whatever you do DO NOT take her out of the kennel until the following morning. If you do you are only reinforcing the whining to get a reaction.

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