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bsabbot · 03-15-2007, 11:08 AM

help, i'm so sad-I have a 2yr old female and a new puppy 5mo's old-we've had her since dec. she is very dominant and very headstrong-she is the EXACT opposite of my other dog, submssive, laid back and princess-like.
my older dog is very sad about the new dog, she harasses her all the time, biting, fighting, barking taking toys away, pooping and peeing on the toys and pushing her away from the water dish etc... she even has little scabs on her head from the puppy teeth lol. everyone says give it time, and i'm wondering now, how much time. the pup has been in pup school training since december b/c of her agressiveness at first... and is doing well there. but when we get home, she is just so rough. my other dog is just like a 20 year old dog sometimes, doesnt want to play or anything. when i separate them, she just sits there and stares sadly when i'm w/the puppy and when i'm w/her the puppy makes me feel guilty b/c she's whining to play. they have NEVER cuddled, the only time they appear to like each other is when the toys are out and they are trying to get the toy from the other-it turns into a fight, so i put the toys away (poor 2 year old has been deprived of her toys for almost 2 mo's now). I am just frustrated, b/c I can't win. Is it possible to re-socialize the older dog and also to decomission the younger dog's strongheadedness? -I have the absolute worst mix of personaities, and I had no clue when I got the puppy b/c she wasnt like this w/her litter mates, which makes me think my older dog is 'asking for it'-and i tried just letting them be and staying out of it but that is a nightmare too-
I almost want to just say i give up and place an ad in the paper, for the baby and get her off to a home where she can be free and loved w/o fighting for attentiion and always pacing around trying to see what the other dog is doing-she gets so nervous about the other dog, what she's doing, where she is, etc-I just feel like i'm taking away from the puppy or the older dog

any ideas or suggestions? I have invested a LOT of time and MONEY into this alrady and I just dont know what to do now. I took a life into my hands and I'm torn on one side, I wnt to be responsible and keep trying on the other hand, I dont want to end up making my other dog even more submissive and allowing the puppy to become overly dominant (if that's even possible) to where she can't get along with other dogs......

ARCHIE · 03-15-2007, 12:14 PM

I probably won't be much help because I only have one.
I feel so sorry for your older dog. It just dosen't seem fair
to her to be put through such torment. Puppies are
puppies and it sounds like your puppy is just that. Can
you keep them seperated for now? If you can and the puppy
does not calm down and take instruction I would rehome her.
Like people I would guess not all are a match made in heaven.
Good luck I hope some others can give you better advise.

psugorilladdr · 03-15-2007, 12:32 PM

I have 3 Yorkies. Chloe is the oldest and she is 3 and a half, Bentley is 14 months, and Zoey is 10. Chloe was okay with Bentley, but when I got Zoey that was the end of it. I've had Zoey since October and every once in awhile we still have problem, Zoey likes to bother Chloe, and Chloe has gotten to where she'll play. But when she's had enough it's enough and there is a small fight, not to the point of hurting each other. Zoey has been snapped at by Chloe, but not in a long time. I guess what I'm saying is, it has taken time for me, and we still bump heads once in awhile. I joke that Chloe acts old and grumpy with the little ones sometimes. I was yelling just at Zoey for bothering Chloe, but a trainer told me to scold Chloe (the older one) for how she is acting towards Zoey because it's unacceptable. So far so good.

Pup-e-Love · 03-15-2007, 12:48 PM

Sounds like the puppy thinks she is the alpha dog and not you. She needs to know that you are leader of the pack. Maybe keep her on a leash (let it drag behind her) whenever she starts to show dominance give it a little tug and tell her "No". After a few times she should get the hint.

Also make sure she is getting enough exercise. Walk both dogs together, and let her know that you are the pack leader. Don't let her walk you......you walk her.

She is still little, she will get it!

Hang in there!

Potter · 03-15-2007, 12:55 PM

I used to have 2 dogs. It is always important to let the both of them respect you as their leader and then when you are the leader, you can let them know where they each stand in the pack. For me, the older dog or the one that has been with me the longest is always on the higher rank than the newcomer. It really is not hard to do once you are the leader. When you feed, feed the older dog first and make sure the younger one watched and go no where near to snatch the older dog's food and then proceed to feed the younger dog. With treats, I always give to the older dog and then the younger one and if the younger one tries to snatch from the older one, separate them before you give treats but make sure they can still see each other. With your story, I wouldn't scold or punish the older dog. I would put the younger pup to where he should be and not to let him/her dominate the household whether it be you or the older dog.

Potter · 03-15-2007, 01:02 PM

Just to add, some dogs do not like to play with puppies and that is the way they are. They each have different personalities. I have seen a 2 year old yorkie which doesn't like to play with any dogs at all whether it be an adult or puppy. She snapped at other dogs not wanting to play and that is fine because she just don't want to be disturbed. Maybe you can separate them for the time being and give the older dog back his/her toy so that she doesn't associate his/her toys being taken away because of the new puppy. If the puppy whines because you are spending time with the older dog, let it be. Its not like you are going to ignore the puppy for the whole day, no need to feel bad or guilty because you will spend time playing with puppy after. Spend as much time as you would with the older dog just like before the puppy came in to picture. I hope things will work out for you in the end. It takes a long time but its a joy when they finally become friends.

JeanieK · 03-15-2007, 01:05 PM

It is the younger dog that is causing the problems and needs a little Dog Whisperer intervention. And the problem starts with you. You have to act as the pack leader and not allow the younger dog to display this behavior. If he is not respecting you then you need to take action.

Get the Dog Whisperer video. Meanwhile. Keep the two separated and give the poor dog back her toys.

You have posted this same things several times, the answers are not going to change.

bsabbot · 03-15-2007, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JeanieK

You have posted this same things several times, the answers are not going to change.

yeah, i know, i keep posting, hoping for a differnt resolution, because i have been trying to be the pack leader, i have been separating them i have been putting the little one into trianing, i have been feeding the older one first, i have been spending more time w/the older one and i have been putting the leash on the younger one and telling her no when shes displaying the wrong behavior and even kenneling her when she contniues. i Have been doing all of the right things, i watch the dog whisperer every week-and nothing has changed, i'm posting again and again because i'm wondering if there are others out there with these things going on with diff outcomes because i'm frustrated. i've posted the same thing because i've never seen a little dog act this way and be so so headstrong with no letting up. i've posted these things because i'm unhappy with the results so far and wondering how much everyone else had to take before it changed because i am confident i am doing the right things, the trainers ive paid a wod of cash to and the people i've gotten good tips from on here- and its not like i'm posting and getting these answrs and not applying them- I AM.
i guess what i'm saying is-i was just trying to figure out what more i can do-and hoping that there was something esle-one more thing-one more trick-one more place to look that will help. or maybe just the mental ease of it all----venting and in getting support that it all might eventually work itself out.

Potter · 03-15-2007, 01:54 PM

Maybe you can try to get help from Cesar Milan? There must be something that can be done. If you have tried everything, then its time to get proffesional help. If that itself doesn't work, I am afraid rehoming will be the only option.

JeanieK · 03-15-2007, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsabbot

yeah, i know, i keep posting, hoping for a differnt resolution, because i have been trying to be the pack leader, i have been separating them i have been putting the little one into trianing, i have been feeding the older one first, i have been spending more time w/the older one and i have been putting the leash on the younger one and telling her no when shes displaying the wrong behavior and even kenneling her when she contniues. i Have been doing all of the right things, i watch the dog whisperer every week-and nothing has changed, i'm posting again and again because i'm wondering if there are others out there with these things going on with diff outcomes because i'm frustrated. i've posted the same thing because i've never seen a little dog act this way and be so so headstrong with no letting up. i've posted these things because i'm unhappy with the results so far and wondering how much everyone else had to take before it changed because i am confident i am doing the right things, the trainers ive paid a wod of cash to and the people i've gotten good tips from on here- and its not like i'm posting and getting these answrs and not applying them- I AM.
i guess what i'm saying is-i was just trying to figure out what more i can do-and hoping that there was something esle-one more thing-one more trick-one more place to look that will help. or maybe just the mental ease of it all----venting and in getting support that it all might eventually work itself out.

This problem is not going to go away in a day. if you are correcting the pup everytime it attacks the older dog then you are on the right track, but it's going to take time. If the puppy is not responding to yhour Dog Whisperer "nips" then you need to be more forceful. Hold the puppy down and let the older dog snif him.

But I would not leave them together unattended so the pup can torcher the older dog.

This will take time and patience.
keep working on it and good luck

Yorkiedaze · 03-15-2007, 03:08 PM

Putting a young puppy with an older dog is asking for problems that take time to iron out, but putting a really active or aggressive puppy with an intervert type dog is going to cause some serious problems. You need to find a behaviorist to help with this. In the meantime I would NOT put the two dogs together. The young one should be in an ex-pen and only out to go outside till this is resolved.

JeanieK · 03-15-2007, 04:23 PM

Im going to try to explain this another way.

Say you have two children a 7 year old and a 2 year old. The 7 year old is fa good respectful child, you have told him thatg he cannot hit is little brother so he respects that. However the 2 year old goes into the 7 yer olds room and takes his toys and breaks them.. And he hits the older brother and throws toys at him. The 7 year old looks to you to do something about it.

Do you
1. just ignore it and allow the 2 year old to continue,
2. tell the 2 year old to quit and expect the problem to be solved,
3. do you give one of them away,
4. or do you monitor the 2 year olds behavior and continue to correct him until he is old enough to understand that he has to respect his older brother?

The two year old will test you day after day and then may quit for a while, but will continue to test you off and on untill he gets old enough to understand the consequences.

Well this is the situuation that you have on your hands, and in my opinion, you are lucky that the older dog hasn't seriously injured the younger one.

bsabbot · 03-16-2007, 06:03 AM

thanks for all your help and suggestions, i've been hard at work on this and will continue.

i know it takes time. everytime i post on here someone on here had some more ideas.

who knew two dogs could be SO very different??

wish me luck-i've got a mix of baby gates galore and a goofy dog on leash most of the time-its like a zoo!

JeanieK · 03-16-2007, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bsabbot

thanks for all your help and suggestions, i've been hard at work on this and will continue.

i know it takes time. everytime i post on here someone on here had some more ideas.

who knew two dogs could be SO very different??

wish me luck-i've got a mix of baby gates galore and a goofy dog on leash most of the time-its like a zoo!

I do wish you luck. and I know you can accomplish this with a lot of work and patience.

03-15-2007, 11:08 AM	#1
bsabbot Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: denver Posts: 120	older dog needs socialization??? help, i'm so sad-I have a 2yr old female and a new puppy 5mo's old-we've had her since dec. she is very dominant and very headstrong-she is the EXACT opposite of my other dog, submssive, laid back and princess-like. my older dog is very sad about the new dog, she harasses her all the time, biting, fighting, barking taking toys away, pooping and peeing on the toys and pushing her away from the water dish etc... she even has little scabs on her head from the puppy teeth lol. everyone says give it time, and i'm wondering now, how much time. the pup has been in pup school training since december b/c of her agressiveness at first... and is doing well there. but when we get home, she is just so rough. my other dog is just like a 20 year old dog sometimes, doesnt want to play or anything. when i separate them, she just sits there and stares sadly when i'm w/the puppy and when i'm w/her the puppy makes me feel guilty b/c she's whining to play. they have NEVER cuddled, the only time they appear to like each other is when the toys are out and they are trying to get the toy from the other-it turns into a fight, so i put the toys away (poor 2 year old has been deprived of her toys for almost 2 mo's now). I am just frustrated, b/c I can't win. Is it possible to re-socialize the older dog and also to decomission the younger dog's strongheadedness? -I have the absolute worst mix of personaities, and I had no clue when I got the puppy b/c she wasnt like this w/her litter mates, which makes me think my older dog is 'asking for it'-and i tried just letting them be and staying out of it but that is a nightmare too- I almost want to just say i give up and place an ad in the paper, for the baby and get her off to a home where she can be free and loved w/o fighting for attentiion and always pacing around trying to see what the other dog is doing-she gets so nervous about the other dog, what she's doing, where she is, etc-I just feel like i'm taking away from the puppy or the older dog any ideas or suggestions? I have invested a LOT of time and MONEY into this alrady and I just dont know what to do now. I took a life into my hands and I'm torn on one side, I wnt to be responsible and keep trying on the other hand, I dont want to end up making my other dog even more submissive and allowing the puppy to become overly dominant (if that's even possible) to where she can't get along with other dogs......

03-15-2007, 12:32 PM	#3
psugorilladdr YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 835	I have 3 Yorkies. Chloe is the oldest and she is 3 and a half, Bentley is 14 months, and Zoey is 10. Chloe was okay with Bentley, but when I got Zoey that was the end of it. I've had Zoey since October and every once in awhile we still have problem, Zoey likes to bother Chloe, and Chloe has gotten to where she'll play. But when she's had enough it's enough and there is a small fight, not to the point of hurting each other. Zoey has been snapped at by Chloe, but not in a long time. I guess what I'm saying is, it has taken time for me, and we still bump heads once in awhile. I joke that Chloe acts old and grumpy with the little ones sometimes. I was yelling just at Zoey for bothering Chloe, but a trainer told me to scold Chloe (the older one) for how she is acting towards Zoey because it's unacceptable. So far so good. __________________ Danielle, Bentley , and Zoey

03-15-2007, 12:55 PM	#5
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	I used to have 2 dogs. It is always important to let the both of them respect you as their leader and then when you are the leader, you can let them know where they each stand in the pack. For me, the older dog or the one that has been with me the longest is always on the higher rank than the newcomer. It really is not hard to do once you are the leader. When you feed, feed the older dog first and make sure the younger one watched and go no where near to snatch the older dog's food and then proceed to feed the younger dog. With treats, I always give to the older dog and then the younger one and if the younger one tries to snatch from the older one, separate them before you give treats but make sure they can still see each other. With your story, I wouldn't scold or punish the older dog. I would put the younger pup to where he should be and not to let him/her dominate the household whether it be you or the older dog. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."

03-15-2007, 01:02 PM	#6
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	Just to add, some dogs do not like to play with puppies and that is the way they are. They each have different personalities. I have seen a 2 year old yorkie which doesn't like to play with any dogs at all whether it be an adult or puppy. She snapped at other dogs not wanting to play and that is fine because she just don't want to be disturbed. Maybe you can separate them for the time being and give the older dog back his/her toy so that she doesn't associate his/her toys being taken away because of the new puppy. If the puppy whines because you are spending time with the older dog, let it be. Its not like you are going to ignore the puppy for the whole day, no need to feel bad or guilty because you will spend time playing with puppy after. Spend as much time as you would with the older dog just like before the puppy came in to picture. I hope things will work out for you in the end. It takes a long time but its a joy when they finally become friends. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."

03-15-2007, 01:54 PM	#9
Potter YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Canada Posts: 2,583	Maybe you can try to get help from Cesar Milan? There must be something that can be done. If you have tried everything, then its time to get proffesional help. If that itself doesn't work, I am afraid rehoming will be the only option. __________________ http://www.dogster.com/pet_page.php?j=t&i=410379 "No matter how little money and how few possesions you own, having a dog makes you rich."

03-15-2007, 12:14 PM	#2
ARCHIE No Longer A Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: NEW YORK Posts: 16,218	I probably won't be much help because I only have one. I feel so sorry for your older dog. It just dosen't seem fair to her to be put through such torment. Puppies are puppies and it sounds like your puppy is just that. Can you keep them seperated for now? If you can and the puppy does not calm down and take instruction I would rehome her. Like people I would guess not all are a match made in heaven. Good luck I hope some others can give you better advise.

03-15-2007, 12:48 PM	#4
Pup-e-Love YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Ohio Posts: 896	Sounds like the puppy thinks she is the alpha dog and not you. She needs to know that you are leader of the pack. Maybe keep her on a leash (let it drag behind her) whenever she starts to show dominance give it a little tug and tell her "No". After a few times she should get the hint. Also make sure she is getting enough exercise. Walk both dogs together, and let her know that you are the pack leader. Don't let her walk you......you walk her. She is still little, she will get it! Hang in there!

03-15-2007, 01:05 PM	#7
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	It is the younger dog that is causing the problems and needs a little Dog Whisperer intervention. And the problem starts with you. You have to act as the pack leader and not allow the younger dog to display this behavior. If he is not respecting you then you need to take action. Get the Dog Whisperer video. Meanwhile. Keep the two separated and give the poor dog back her toys. You have posted this same things several times, the answers are not going to change.

03-15-2007, 03:08 PM	#11
Yorkiedaze My hairy-legged girls Donating Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lompoc, ca. Posts: 12,228	Putting a young puppy with an older dog is asking for problems that take time to iron out, but putting a really active or aggressive puppy with an intervert type dog is going to cause some serious problems. You need to find a behaviorist to help with this. In the meantime I would NOT put the two dogs together. The young one should be in an ex-pen and only out to go outside till this is resolved.

03-15-2007, 04:23 PM	#12
JeanieK Donating YT 12K Club Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Council Bluffs Iowa Posts: 12,552	Im going to try to explain this another way. Say you have two children a 7 year old and a 2 year old. The 7 year old is fa good respectful child, you have told him thatg he cannot hit is little brother so he respects that. However the 2 year old goes into the 7 yer olds room and takes his toys and breaks them.. And he hits the older brother and throws toys at him. The 7 year old looks to you to do something about it. Do you 1. just ignore it and allow the 2 year old to continue, 2. tell the 2 year old to quit and expect the problem to be solved, 3. do you give one of them away, 4. or do you monitor the 2 year olds behavior and continue to correct him until he is old enough to understand that he has to respect his older brother? The two year old will test you day after day and then may quit for a while, but will continue to test you off and on untill he gets old enough to understand the consequences. Well this is the situuation that you have on your hands, and in my opinion, you are lucky that the older dog hasn't seriously injured the younger one.

03-16-2007, 06:03 AM	#13
bsabbot Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: denver Posts: 120	thanks for all your help and suggestions, i've been hard at work on this and will continue. i know it takes time. everytime i post on here someone on here had some more ideas. who knew two dogs could be SO very different?? wish me luck-i've got a mix of baby gates galore and a goofy dog on leash most of the time-its like a zoo!