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Old 02-20-2007, 08:42 AM   #1
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Thanks in advance if anyone can help us. My wife and I got "Hilton" on Sunday evening. He's 12 weeks purebread Yorkie and we got him from a very respected breeder here in Iowa.

Here are some facts about our situation that might help...

2 story house, hardwood floors in kitchen, dining room, & 1/2 bath downstairs. Living room is carpeted. We have a carpeted room just off 1/2 bath with french doors (could be formal dining room, we use as a workout room with treadmill, ec).

We sleep upstairs and we have no kids.

The first night we didn't have a crate, etc so we used our 1/2 bath to set up food, water dish, and puppy pad. He did WONDERFUL the first day...went potty on the puppy pad 3-4 times (praised every time) and even #2 on the pad once. He peed on the kitchen rug one time, no big deal.

We got to bed fairly early (~10-10:30pm) because we both get up at 5am.

My wife bought the crate, etc Monday during the day. We've read all the stuff and are committed to keeping him in the crate at night. I keep trying to take him out to our back yard to train him to go outside potty as well but he's yet to go, and its VERY cold in Iowa so he shivers and shivers.

He barked, wimpered, and howled for a while Monday night in the crate but we couldn't hear too much because we're upstairs and we run a humidifier (thank goodness).

We have a small crate we keep in the exercise room (our ideal location for "his room")......as we'd prefer to have the bathroom available for us and guests!

This morning (Tues) I got up at 5 a.m. and he had pooped in his crate. Its my fault...no way I should have left him there for that long...I now know I need to get up every 3 hours or so to let him out...correct???

I cleaned out the crate and tried to take him outside again this morning to no success. We keep him the bathroom during day. I just got home and he went pee on his puppy pad again!

ANY SUGGESTIONS to help with the training, crating, or set up of our situation is GREATLY appreciated. We're both new to the dog world and trying our best to give Hilton a good home. We just don't know much...please help! And remember, we've only had him 36 hours or so...

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Old 02-20-2007, 08:53 AM   #2
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me personally, i think hes too young to go outside right now.. i think
you should wait a couple of months before you train to go outside to potty.
for now, just train inside potty until he gets that....
lexi does both right now , and she also make mistakes, like twice a week, why, i just dont know... the smell i guess in inbedded in the rug that is soon
to go.... there will always be mishaps with these little ones, we just have
to be patience and it will all work out in the end...
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Old 02-20-2007, 08:54 AM   #3
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The idea behind crate training is not allowing behavior problems to develop. They learn to hold it (pee/poo) & learn to be content (not tear up & chew out of boredom, etc) When they no longer cry at night & no longer go potty in the crate it is usually left open & they are trusted to be left out while you are home & can give them your full attention & only put in w/door shut when you leave & at night at about 6 months you can leave them out for short periods to see how they react, giving them a little extra freedom each month there after by age 12months they should be fully trained & will go to their crate when you are not home & at night on there own-no need to lock contain them. I think the bathroom is not a good idea. Usually they will damage the door, trim & who knows what else which will set you back in training. It sounds like you are researching & trying to raise a well trained pup, I commend you for that
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Old 02-20-2007, 09:08 AM   #4
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Both good thoughts, I appreciate the quick respons and will wait more "experts" and there thoughts!

We are really trying to do things the right way and raise a well trianed pup. This 12-16 week period is so important, we want to make sure we get it right!

Keep the ideas coming!...

one more thing...he's not eating very much of his food? Should we be putting it out at certain times or leave it out if he's in his room (bathroom). How much can you expect a puppy Yorkie male to eat?
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leave the food out. i still keep lexi's food out all day long this way if shes
hungry she can nibble, but she never does. only when im home
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We use a baby monitor to listen for Baxter at night - we shut the crate - and he wakes up and cries a little to let us know that he needs to be let out - he is 8 weeks, and so far is doing very good w/ puppy pads. He is way too little to go outside as we live in Buffalo, and its like the Tundra here. He has had a couple of accidents but all those have been close to the puppy pad.
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The first week I had Venus, someone suggested I put her crate beside my bed, so I could hear when she needed to potty.

Before that, she was crated in the kitchen, and I couldn't hear her cry, and she's pee and poop in the crate. Omg, what a mess she and the crate was that first week!

She did much better later that week after I put the crate beside the bed. She learned in several days, that as soon as she whined, I'd get up and take her outside, pronto. We sometimes went outside 2-3 times in the night.

But after putting her crate beside the bed, it did take a good week for her to quit peeing and pooping in it.

And believe me, they will chew on doors, and baseboards too! I have marks to prove it! Someone here suggested clear deoderant on any furniture she chewed on. Others say not to use it. I never had problems with her chewing the same spot after putting the deoderant on it.

I got a baby gate that looks like bars, so she wouldn't climb it. She's a climber, and x-pen was just an obsticle to climb. I also had to get plexy-glas from Lowes and put it on the front of the gate so she wouldn't walk through it. I drilled holes in the plexi-glas, and used those white things to attach it to the gate.
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If you are gone all day I guess it is okay to free feed, but if there is some way you can moniter the eating and you will have a better guess and when he will need to use the restroom. The trainer at Petsmart told us not to free feed for that reason.

Also is the crate too big? Ludo's crate was too big and he pooped and peed in it only one night. Then we blocked off half of it so he only had enough room to stand up, turn around, and lay down. We keep his crate in our room because he will cry when he needs to go out - which is maybe 1-2 times a night.

You should also try not to let him eat 2-3 hours before bed time.

We took the potty training class at PetSmart and it was pretty helpful. I think the best thing is consistency!
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I am BY FAR, no expert, but I do just disagree with ONE thing. I got my puppy at 8 weeks (in the middle of January in Minnesota) and I potty trained him outside immediately, with no problems. I would say that some people would agree with me and some people would not. But I posted a post right when I got him, and my post was basically titled something like " has anyone NEVER used Pee Pads" because I was REALLY wanting to potty train outside, and I was getting the feeling that everyone used Potty pads inside(something I didn't want to do!!) and there were BOTH responses, but A LOT Of people just potty train outside, they are DOGS.........it's VERY NATURAL to go OUTSIDE, but you have to be consistent. Your puppy will get the idea if you bring Hilton DIRECTLY outside after being crated.........and REWARD, REWARD, REWARD!!!!!
One thing that is important is being able to HEAR your puppy in the night!!!! My guy cryed for the first few nights, and then went for about 10 days with getting up at around 5 am (going to bed at 9/9:30) but now my guy is just over 3 mos. and he sleeps EVERY night until we get up in the morning, no more crying at all.

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Old 02-27-2007, 06:31 AM   #11
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Hi Hilton,

We are also Yorkie novices and maybe some of my experience might help with your little guy. We live in Nova Scotia so are aware of the cold!
Princess is still young - five months - but is fully trained to go outside only. She is also completely crate trained. This did require a lot of work but we have a wonderful and happy little dog and a clean house.

Make sure the crate is not too large. As humans we want to make sure they have lots of room but they really do not need it - if it is too big they will designate one area of the crate as sleeping quarters and another as bathroom so small is better. It is their natural instinct to not foul their nest so to speak. I have a five-year-old so I am not far removed from getting up with a child in the night but found that I only got up with her the first two nights, comforted her and put her right back in the crate. We also cover her crate with a light blanket...keeps out light and maybe keeps in warmth.

I had never heard of puppy pads so did not use them. I watched for visual cues...Princess starts sniffing the floor and running around really fast when she needs to poop. I would then use the phrase 'poop outside' as I took her out and she very quickly learned that one. Pee'ing was a bit tougher as their little bladders are tiny and the ability to hold it is less. I put paper on the floor near the door she uses and if she pee'ed on the paper she was praised. I would take her out immediately once I took her out of her crate in the morning and usually ten or so minutes after she ate. Pee'ing outside for good came about two weeks after the pooping.

Princess lives in our two storey house but lives in the kitchen. We have baby gates up at the doorways so she can see what is going on but has a lovely bed to curl up in and there is usually someone there to play or talk to her. Her crate is in our family room and after last visit outside at night she gets to go to the family room to romp and play a bit and then goes in the crate. We usually retire around 11 as my husband is just off work at 10:30 or so and I am up around 6 to get my son off to school so she is part of our family routine. Animals love a routine. It is a dogs instinct to 'protect' their space so if they are confined to a room they will be much happier than if they have full roam of the house...it causes stress in a large dog so would be daunting to a small dog.

The work is worth it - our little girl is a wonderful pet and now she is great about going to the door whenever she wants out. Her crate is for overnight sleeping only and her little round bed is in a corner of the kitchen where she can curl up and be cosy during the day.

I was surprized at how much she loves to be outside and how much she loves the snow. We don't keep her out too long as she is still tiny (about four pounds now) and I naturally worry about her getting too cold but then remind myself that she is a dog and should be allowed to enjoy her environment!

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