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Old 12-01-2006, 06:26 PM   #1
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ok so max is now 6 months old. everything was going fine. he was using outside to pee, and just the pad when it would rain ( he refuses to go out when raining) well he only pooped outside for me one time. so i continued to leave the pad for him to poop on. we also crate trained max, but if you are in the house he yelps so so bad when in there. when i leave, i listen outside the window and all is calm. so anyway now max is peeing on the carpet in the living room, bathroom, anywhere he can find a place. and this isnt marking he is squatting and peeing. alot of pee!! and he will poop anywhere in the dang house.
we rent our home and i cant take the carpets being ruined, but that isnt even my concern.im getting so frustrated i dont know what to do. he is making my boston (sampson) a nervous freakin wreck. sampson was so cuddly and loving and now when max uses the bathroom inside, sampson lays his ears back and hides. and i dont yell at either of them , and never ever have hit them. when max has a accident i simply get him, say NO POTTY.. take him outside place the poop outside and say GO POTTY OUTSIDE. the bad thing is, i take him out to pee, and he goes, then comes inside and about 5 minutes later goes again.
i even took him to the vet thinking he may have a uti or something. everything is fine! i dont know what is going on, im training him the same as i did sampson, lots of praise and treats when he pees or poops in the right spot etc. but its effecting all of us. im frustrated and upset crying as i type because i dont know what to do. sampson is so unhappy and fearful now, the kids dont want anything to do with max cause he will use the bathroom in their room. my husband wants to get rid of him, he cant take it anymore.
im so so upset and ive tried everything that i have read and know to do! someone please help.. this cant keep going on,
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Old 12-01-2006, 06:44 PM   #2
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Have you had your little one examined by a vet recently? Is your baby teething? There could be something physical going on that it is the cause. If that is ruled out, I would suggest hiring a personal trainer/animal behavior specialist to try to get at the cause of the problem and help you resolve it. Good luck and keep us posted! Until then, start back with square one. No house priviledges (ex-pen only) until baby is consistently using the pee pad, then expand priviledges to just one room at a time. Just ignore the crying. Soon he will learn it won't get him what he wants and he will stop.
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He's still very very young to be allowed the run of the house. Go back to basics and keep him confined to the kitchen with his pee pads.

Eventually he will catch on, but right now he just doesn't understand that he is doing anything wrong. he knows that you're angry about something, but he doesn't know what. Unless you actually catch him in the act, then you may as well save your breath because it won't do a bit of good to scold him.

Don't allow him the run of the house untill you are sure he knows.

Just because they use the pee pads in one room does not mean they will use them in every room. You have to train them one room at a time.

The biggest mistake that I have seen on here is people giving them too much freedom too soon. think of them as children. You would allow your child to run the streets just because he knows the rules at home.
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Max has to get a little older, and you have to get a little stricter :-) We went through this. Other people would not believe that Loki literally peed every 5 minutes. He was drinking WAY too much water, and luckily it was NOT medical, so we started to only give him little bits of water at a time. We measured it to make sure he was getting enough - usually twice as much as he "needed" based on his weight but probably half what he would drink before. We'd just fill his bowl up and he'd drink the entire thing even if it was 8 oz (when he was like 5 pounds at 6 months!) That was compounded with some bladder issues, so it was not a fun first few months!

Anyway, we also did crate training BOOT CAMP and seriously watched him when he was out. I also discovered that if I walked him he would pee 3 or 4 times and be seriously empty for a good hour. We got him down to about 1 accident a week by the time he was 1, when we put up bells. That pretty much eliminated the accidents, which by that point we OUR faults for not hearing him in time and he would pee by the door. Once the bells were up we would know right away to let him out and I felt more secure to let him free in the house, especially downstairs when I was upstairs. Now I trust him completely.

I've also discovered that over the last 6 months (he's 2) he can hold it longer after ringing his bells until I let him out. As long as I acknowledge him he will go back to playing or just sit there until I get him out. If he can't wait, he rings them frantically and comes and gets me or barks at me or whatever to get my attention. A year ago he would just have peed on the floor. I think this is both his maturity (physically) and also that we have learned how to communicate. He knows so many words I can literally talk to him like a toddler and he also knows the correct way to get my attention (bells).

As far as the crying in the crate, as long as you know he has just peed AND pooped put him in the crate and ignore the crying. Cover it or put it in another room if you have to.

It will also take time until you truly learn his patterns. Loki would ring his bells 2 minutes after he was just out and I would get annoyed, but he will go back out and poop. He rarely does both at the same time, he usually comes back in first. I thought it was goofy but that's just how it is so I don't care anymore.
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Old 12-01-2006, 07:11 PM   #5
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i cant have him confined in a room like the kitchen because he literally chews on everything. he totally chewed the bottom of my great grandmothers dining chair. putting him in the crate and him screamin is what gets sampson the most upset. i cant have him like that, i mean so bad that sam shakes and cried and hides. he only has free roam of 3 rooms right now and that was because he went so long without a accident anywhere and ws using the pad to poop and outside for pee.

someone said me scolding him... i dont scold him really . i dont yell, i just say in a firm voice NO POTTY or something similar. and only when i catch him, and as i catch him i pick him up and take him outside. im going to try some of the suggestions you guys offered , i really do appreciate them. i guess from what ive read on here alot of yorkies are very hard to train. i swear max is so very stubborn. im doing everything i did with sampson, sam caught on very quickly, of course he had accidents but nothing like this. i guess i just have to be a little tougher with max.
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Old 12-02-2006, 04:24 AM   #6
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When my Max was about 6 months, he started to have accidents everywhere after being pretty reliable. Before that, he would pee 3 times an hour! Just when I thought he would never get it, he started to hold it and even goes to the door some of the time. He came to us litter trained and I didn't care for that. I decided to outside train him even thought we have really snowy winters. I left the pan out just in case, thinking to use it as an emergency measure over the winter cuz he's so small. Erin gave me great advice...get rid of the pan, or it might be forever...something I didn't want. I crate him unless I am with him and he is only allowed in the kitchen unless I know he is empty. He is never alone unattended in the house. I have had him 2 months and see that he is harder to train than any other dog I've had. He's so loving and fun, though, that I am willing to put ion the time. Can't wait until I can trust him. Max has never chewed anything but the toys I give him. Never had a dog that chewed on furniture. Sorry I can't help. Erin, I'm originally from the Chicago area... grew up in LaGrange. My family is still there. Whenever I go back, I can't believe the changes. I'm a small town "girl" now and the traffic is incredible. Miss my family, though.
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Have you thought about trying belly bands? Our Yorkie is 4 mos. and is paper trained while in his ex-pen but usually doesn't make it to the paper when he is out of it so I use belly bands. They were a great option for me..but not necessarily for everyone. Guess it depends on how you feel about diapering a dog! Some people are opposed to using a BB but each to his own.. I don't mind..to me it is better than becoming so frustrated that I would even think about getting rid of my precious little fella! In case you wonder what happens when he drops his tootsie rolls...with Teddy it is easier to catch him before he does that than when he has to piddle. Usually he does that shortly after he eats so I just keep him in his ex-pen until he does it then pick it up and trash it. As for the barking when he is in the crate...you might try an ex-pen instead of a crate. If he has been used to having more room to roam around in he might do better with an ex-pen...but then depends on your situation. Hope all turns out for you!
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i actually havent thought of the belly bands, and really its probably my only option right now. i just took him out for a lil walk and stood outside another 25 min talking with a neighbor with him. he needed some fresh air since he had been crated for about 2 hours. so a 20 min walk and 25 min outside and then he came in and peed on the carpet and pooped in the kitchen...and he knows hes doing something wrong cause he runs into the crate after he does it! i tried to catch him in mid pee and rush him outside and thats when he went for the crate.. i reached in and got him, took him back out for about 6 minutes or so..and nothing, as soon as he came in i was fixing their dinner and he ran up under the table and pooped.. as im crawling under it trying to reach him to take him out to potty once again. so i calmly get him, and the poop taking them outside putting it in the spot and saying GO POTTY!.. ::sigh:: im so upset. frustrated and sad. and sampson is sad
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My dog wears belly bands - he's 14 months old - never pees during the night - never pees when confined in the kitchen and I'm at work for 6 or 7 hours - never pees when I'm home and faithfully get him outside every couple hours...

BUT - in the evening - I work in my office and otherwise just like to sit and relax and sometimes don't get him out when I should. So - I just slap a bellyband on him and let him run around and do whatever he wants. If his bellyband gets the slightest damp - I change it.

He has always worn one overnight - but it's almost always dry in the morning.

****** He wore them almost constantly when he was younger.

Believe me - my little guy would have been exactly like yours (exactly exactly exactly) - and I would have had all the same problems if I hadn't used bellybands. They are so easy - and totally solve your problems.

Louie is wearing his bellyband right now. I just felt it and it's dry. But, even if it weren't - I'm going to take it off and take him outside to pee.....and he usually does. Then I'll put it back on him when we come back in the house because it's late, and we'll be going to bed soon. But I will make sure it's dry before he goes to bed for the night.


***** I use washclothes - wrap them around his tummy - pin them with a diaper pin --- and off he goes!!!! (They're washable - and we have dozens of them --- very inexpensive).

If you learn to use and get used to using bellybands --all your problems will be solved!!!!!!! And -unlike what a lot of people think - this should in no way keep you from being able to house train your dog.

Good luck - if you have any questions - PM me....

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PS: As far as pooping in the house - can't tell you what to do there - just pick it up and throw it in the toilet. As least poop doesn't do all the damage that pee does.... it's much easier to deal with..
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ok so ive come to the decision that im going to have to rehome max. i feel terrible, i failed him. i jumped into this way too quickly and i take all responsibility for this. but i also cant keep him knowing neither of us are happy and the fact that sampson is getting some major anxiety issues. max deserves to be in a home with someone that understands the breed, and has the time and patience that comes with the breed.
ive cried and cried and thought and thought about what could be best. i love him dearly, but this isnt the life he deserves. i know im going to get some bashing from this, i expect that. but i also need some of you to be understanding and help me out. i dont know how to go about rehoming him. i dont know if i should post him here or what. someone please give me some advice on this. i want him to go to someone who already has a yorkie that can work with him. he gets along great with sampson and my kids. so neither is a problem. if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated!!
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ok so ive come to the decision that im going to have to rehome max. i feel terrible, i failed him. i jumped into this way too quickly and i take all responsibility for this. but i also cant keep him knowing neither of us are happy and the fact that sampson is getting some major anxiety issues. max deserves to be in a home with someone that understands the breed, and has the time and patience that comes with the breed.
ive cried and cried and thought and thought about what could be best. i love him dearly, but this isnt the life he deserves. i know im going to get some bashing from this, i expect that. but i also need some of you to be understanding and help me out. i dont know how to go about rehoming him. i dont know if i should post him here or what. someone please give me some advice on this. i want him to go to someone who already has a yorkie that can work with him. he gets along great with sampson and my kids. so neither is a problem. if anyone can help it would be greatly appreciated!!

If you must rehome him then I would go ahead and post him on here in the yorkies for sale forum. That way you will have the best chance of getting yorkie experienced people to take him. Just make sure that you let them know the problems you are having so that they will know what they are getting into before they decide. That way he (hopefully) won't end up being rehomed again.

I am sorry for all the trouble you are having. I wish I knew how to help you.

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thanks nancy i figured this was the best place to try and place him. his listening skills are getting much better. but i cant keep him in a crate 25/7 etc. i see alot of members have problems potty training etc. its my fault, i got him in this situation.
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Under the circumstances I believe that you are making a wise decision for all concerned.

It sounds like the stress level in your home is getting pretty bad.

Hopefully in a less stressful environment he will do better.
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i just posted the thread. as i sit here and cry. im so so so sorry that i failed him, sorry that i dont have what it takes to raise him.he will be much better with someone who has experience with yorkies. my aunt was going to take him back but is having surgery next month. she also has tried finding a home for him and will continue to. max's breeder passed away last month, sad to say.
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