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Old 09-26-2015, 03:56 PM   #1
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Thumper and Boomer do not like to be in the crate at night. I give them a treat and try and stay as quiet as possible if they sense me they start barking. I live in a studio so it is very hard not to walk around.

I am going on day three or four of no sleep. They will bark constantly for hours. I give them treats and a kong to play with and I have given them an old shirt of mine in the crate.

I just need suggestions on how to deal with the night time barking and separation anxiety I believe they may have. I also cover the crate at night and during the day to make it dark. I have put on music but that doesn't help. I am in desperate need of sleep.

They bark when I leave for the day in the crate but my dog walker says when she comes they are quiet. She spends at least 2 hours with them in the late morning/afternoon.

They do fine sleeping in my bed with me. When I rescued them I was told they were crate trained. I believe they may have regressed with all the changes going on in their lives. I leave them crated during the day M-F because I can't trust them yet to not destroy my kitchen. I would love for them to be able to roam the apartment and not destroy it yet but we are not at that stage.

I left them alone today in the kitchen for 30 minutes and they did great but when they saw me they wanted out immediately.

Sorry for babbling so much. I would appreciate any help in the matter.
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Are they pee pad trained or strictly out door potty trained? If they use the pee pads I would not crate them at night, let them sleep with you, crate them while you are at work. I know you wrote your apt. is small and e-pen would be too big for your apt. I never crated my dogs, but, all my passed girls I had as 8 week old puppies, until they ere 100% HOUSE trained to potty outdoors they were confined 8x3 area. At 7 months when they were fully trained I allowed them from from of my apt. At 5 months old they were fully paper trained and slept in the bed with me. I now have an adopted boy, he was 2.5 y/o when I adopted him, he was house broken, I had / have no issues with him destroying. His prev. owners crated him while they worked. He is now 4 y/o and handles being left alone for up to 7 hours on the few occasions I have to leave him. You not knowing their past history, not knowing their association with crating they may have a fear of crating. Hopefully others that have had crating issues will be along to offer up more advise on the crating and your sleepless nights. Hang in there, you have them just a short time, rescues need time to adjust to new schedule and new way of living with you "a new mommy to them". Keep in mind they came from ??? to a foster mom, then to you, that is 3 changes in a time frame you do not know. I realize sleep is very important but PLEASE be patient with these little boys.
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It will help if they are close to you at night, it may also help to move the cage to your room and maybe even put them in the same cage together.
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It will help if they are close to you at night, it may also help to move the cage to your room and maybe even put them in the same cage together.

I read some advice before getting Teddy which stated that crating a dog away from you at night helps to prevent separation anxiety. In reality, it terrified him and he barked for hours at night until, at 9 months of age, I called b.s. on this 'advice' and moved his crate to my room at night. He never barked at night again and is 2 years old on Saturday. They probably just want to be near you after not seeing you all day. There's no harm in putting them in the room with you.
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That happened to me when mine was a puppy, he wouldn't let me sleep at night because he wanted to be with me and he would cry all night, but when you have a husband it is very hard to sleep with your dog too. It was so bad that we were thinking on giving him away. But then I read that putting some coins inside a tin can and shaking it will make them quiet, I tried it and it worked ,well, that and my husband's strong scolding . Now at night, he sleeps in his crate peacefully, I don't let him roam around at night because he still has accidents inside the home, even though he is potty trained. You have to have patience and be consistent with any training, I too thought that he was never going to learn and now I am very happy with him.
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On the rare occasion I put Mario in crate at night, I remind him "no bark, no scratch" just as I put him in. If he does either, I tap on the top on the crate and sternly tell him "no bark, no scratch". Several times of this, and Mario stopped both altogether.

It is so hard to know what works for these rescue kids. I did not get Mario until he was about a year, and we had no idea of his history at the time.
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Thumper and Boomer do not like to be in the crate at night. I give them a treat and try and stay as quiet as possible if they sense me they start barking. I live in a studio so it is very hard not to walk around.

I am going on day three or four of no sleep. They will bark constantly for hours. I give them treats and a kong to play with and I have given them an old shirt of mine in the crate.

I just need suggestions on how to deal with the night time barking and separation anxiety I believe they may have. I also cover the crate at night and during the day to make it dark. I have put on music but that doesn't help. I am in desperate need of sleep.

They bark when I leave for the day in the crate but my dog walker says when she comes they are quiet. She spends at least 2 hours with them in the late morning/afternoon.

They do fine sleeping in my bed with me. When I rescued them I was told they were crate trained. I believe they may have regressed with all the changes going on in their lives. I leave them crated during the day M-F because I can't trust them yet to not destroy my kitchen. I would love for them to be able to roam the apartment and not destroy it yet but we are not at that stage.

I left them alone today in the kitchen for 30 minutes and they did great but when they saw me they wanted out immediately.

Sorry for babbling so much. I would appreciate any help in the matter.
Being in a crate day and night is too much in my opinion .. Instead of putting them in a crate during the day can you get a large ex-pen and set it up in your kitchen . That would give them some freedom but not enough to destroy anything . At night if you want them to sleep in a crate , put the crates in your bedroom and go to bed the same time as your dogs .
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Being in a crate day and night is too much in my opinion .. Instead of putting them in a crate during the day can you get a large ex-pen and set it up in your kitchen . That would give them some freedom but not enough to destroy anything . At night if you want them to sleep in a crate , put the crates in your bedroom and go to bed the same time as your dogs .


I agree with you about being in the crate during the day and at night.


They are doing much better. I keep them gated in the kitchen during the day when I am not home. I even set up my computer to be a camera and I can keep an eye on them during the day. It even allows me to speak to them.


The camera has helped me figure out what they do during the day and that Boomer was chewing the collar off his brother. I was able to rearrange their area to make it more safe for them.


They now do not go in the crate at all. I had to keep the door closed because they would go in their to pee when I wasn't home. I keep a towel out with their toys that they curl up on and sleep most of the day.


At night they sleep with me in my bed and love it. Now if I can just get them from nudging me at 5 am in the morning to take them out. We started training classes this week and Boomer and Thumper learned sit and look at me. Boomer loves it and Thumper is one stubborn dog that says I'll sit when I want to and you can't make me. He is my big boy and I love him dearly.
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I agree with you about being in the crate during the day and at night.


They are doing much better. I keep them gated in the kitchen during the day when I am not home. I even set up my computer to be a camera and I can keep an eye on them during the day. It even allows me to speak to them.


The camera has helped me figure out what they do during the day and that Boomer was chewing the collar off his brother. I was able to rearrange their area to make it more safe for them.


They now do not go in the crate at all. I had to keep the door closed because they would go in their to pee when I wasn't home. I keep a towel out with their toys that they curl up on and sleep most of the day.


At night they sleep with me in my bed and love it. Now if I can just get them from nudging me at 5 am in the morning to take them out. We started training classes this week and Boomer and Thumper learned sit and look at me. Boomer loves it and Thumper is one stubborn dog that says I'll sit when I want to and you can't make me. He is my big boy and I love him dearly.

That is so awesome .. I am glad all is working out . They are two very lucky pups . They have a great mom . You have worked really to provide a great home for them ..
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Can you confirm just how long the dog walker is actually walking your dogs? Do you have access to a tread mill for walking them? I don't know but I wonder if they could actually be walking for a couple of hours a day. As some of the others have pointed out, it just sounds like too much crate time. Unless your timing is off and are actually encouraging and rewarding the scratching and barking. Poor thing, I know how frustrating it is. Hope you get it figured out soon
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sorry i missed your last post that you were training them, that's wonderful!
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