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Old 04-14-2015, 09:58 PM   #1
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My new puppy Max has been residing with me for 2.5 weeks now. Max is a hand full of energy very hyper all the time. Every time I come home from work I go to mia and she brushes me with kisses it so cute. Mia is playful alot of the time but usually when max isn't around lol. Max currently stays in a playpen when under no supervision still. I let max run around my room when I'm there because he learned pretty quick to be wee wee pad trained which is awesome. So far he knows sit and a bit of lay down on command.

My question is, why does he sniff mia (whos 1.5 yr old, fixed) butt all the time and constantly growling at her jumping and sometimes I've noticed him biting her , of course I always take him away and say No, bad boy!. I've even used a rattle can it worked for about 2 days -_-. How do I correct this behavior? Mia sometimes mostly rarely starts the bowing gesture and barks at him wiggling her tail and then runs around like she excited lol. I was thinking of taking max to the puppy playtime events at petco for him to play and learn a little of how to be nice idk if that's a good idea tho?

Any reason why max keeps sniffing her but ?when max does this mia looks at him like a she's watching him or maybe a lil scared idk and then when I move him away you could see she feel at ease after. But she doesn't grow at him nor bark at him when he does this. Max isn't fixed he's 10.5 weeks old btw. Sometimes RARELY. They growl at each other for 2 min top wiggling tails. Will they ever get along? Mia never had the chance to socialize since i took her in at 5 weeks because i had no choice, so she has always been a bit afraid of other animals.
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From what you are describing it is normal behavior. They are in play mode and of course with your new pup that means biting but that can be corrected. The sniffing of one another is perfectly normal. Its their way of familiarizing themselves and its how they recognize one another. Dogs work highly on their scent so that is very normal.

My guess is that your older one stays in her pen in order to get some peace and rest form you younger more energetic pup and to avoid the biting. So you will want to put a stop to that asap. I would suggest since you new pup needs to get plenty of rest that you put him in his cage after a good play session and if he gets too nippy. You will want to get the biting instinct under control. Its wont be easy and it will take time but totally doable. I use the shaker can along with very stern vocal commands. You have to be in control, he will not respond to a soft vocal command, you have to be the pack leader.
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From what you are describing it is normal behavior. They are in play mode and of course with your new pup that means biting but that can be corrected. The sniffing of one another is perfectly normal. Its their way of familiarizing themselves and its how they recognize one another. Dogs work highly on their scent so that is very normal.

My guess is that your older one stays in her pen in order to get some peace and rest form you younger more energetic pup and to avoid the biting. So you will want to put a stop to that asap. I would suggest since you new pup needs to get plenty of rest that you put him in his cage after a good play session and if he gets too nippy. You will want to get the biting instinct under control. Its wont be easy and it will take time but totally doable. I use the shaker can along with very stern vocal commands. You have to be in control, he will not respond to a soft vocal command, you have to be the pack leader.



I have been training max a lot constantly repeating sessions with him and mia in the same room , and indeed he has learned something because he listens spontaneously during the sessions. however, my worry mostly is mia, because shes not playing the dominance role here. She more like defenseless, when he runs after her is growling and barking at her trying to bite her and there has been a few times where mia yelps that's when I notice he bit her. I would love it if mia actually confronts back but she doesn't she just barks at her when shes over exited/dehydrated from running away from him. If mia would play the dominance role, she would be able to teach him that biting isn't right. what do I do in this case?
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It took 5 weeks before Moki would stop growling at Winnie. She was my 12 week put. Now ~12 weeks later they play but he's still not sleeping together....
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My experience with dogs is that they need to sniff butts in order to get along. That is totally normal and once they get enough of that they will get a pecking order of who is dominant and who is submissive.

She sounds like she wants to play with the puppy and then the puppy gets too rough with her.

Some dogs get along from day one and some take weeks/months to get along and rarely some never fully get along. I think yours will be in the middle.

Let them sniff butts if that is all they are doing and getting along should actually happen faster as that is how dogs adjust to a new dog in the house. It is how they want to greet a new dog they meet.

I would watch the playing and break it up if one gets too over worked, over excited or just plain tired of playing.

As long as there is no growling I let my dogs sniff each other, even though it annoys me like crazy. My Yorkie will only play with me and not our other dog because the Yorkie is 7 lbs and the other dog is 80 and the Yorkie is a little afraid of him still.

Good luck and I hope they are best buddies soon.
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I have been training max a lot constantly repeating sessions with him and mia in the same room , and indeed he has learned something because he listens spontaneously during the sessions. however, my worry mostly is mia, because shes not playing the dominance role here. She more like defenseless, when he runs after her is growling and barking at her trying to bite her and there has been a few times where mia yelps that's when I notice he bit her. I would love it if mia actually confronts back but she doesn't she just barks at her when shes over exited/dehydrated from running away from him. If mia would play the dominance role, she would be able to teach him that biting isn't right. what do I do in this case?
Hmmm just make sure sure Max doesn't overwhelm her. What are their sizes?
Give Mia breaks away from when he has hips play in overdrive.she needs a safe place to run to get away from him....I would think Mia would be more protective of her domain. I know Zoey is. She will be 2 in May and
Izzy just turned 5 months......and is already almost the same size as Zoeyand can be a bit overbearing in play but if Zoey isn't in the mood she will "tell her" and give out a snarl and snap.....the little one then backs off. Sometimes Zoey displays a little too much dominance over her human territory. Then we have to step in and correct her encouraging the little one that there IS room on the lounge chair for two....I would moniter their time together and don't let the new one bully in ....I would be afraid of retaliation from Mia eventually..plus max has to learn to share too. Also sounds like Mia might be frightened of him too...just be sure to make her feel safe...
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It took 5 weeks before Moki would stop growling at Winnie. She was my 12 week put. Now ~12 weeks later they play but he's still not sleeping together....
17 weeks here and my two won't sleep together either. izzy wants to , the baby, but Zoey doesn't trust her to not nip in her sleep

They lay close for short times for a quick nap in the sun if they both want the same spot but that's it.....they will zoom after each other 3 times a day and my docile little Zoey girl has learned to become braver if she wants to stay ahead of the younger one . Funny we humans have to do that too! Lol
It's interesting watching them adapt to each other.

When I'm giving baths the other is right there demanding to see what I'm doing to the other one. If the bathroom door is shut I hear sniffing and snorting at the door crack, I eventuslly have to let them in.and they're BOTH that way....too funny!
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17 weeks here and my two won't sleep together either. izzy wants to , the baby, but Zoey doesn't trust her to not nip in her sleep

They lay close for short times for a quick nap in the sun if they both want the same spot but that's it.....they will zoom after each other 3 times a day and my docile little Zoey girl has learned to become braver if she wants to stay ahead of the younger one . Funny we humans have to do that too! Lol
It's interesting watching them adapt to each other.

When I'm giving baths the other is right there demanding to see what I'm doing to the other one. If the bathroom door is shut I hear sniffing and snorting at the door crack, I eventuslly have to let them in.and they're BOTH that way....too funny!

Thankss everyone this was very informative.

Max only has about a month in and I see a difference starting a week ago , mia has let him slide with alot and just a week ago she snapped barking at him , he tried to stand on her and she moved and stood up on two feet on him. I was like finally! Ur dominance is stepping out. I started pushing max away from mia when he starts to bother her in a bad way and he has gotten better at that. mia walks more calmly around the house now and shuvs him off when he tries to do something stupid.

We have plenty of training sessions throughout the week together. Max does sleep in the pen still because mia needs space to breath without him around I feel.

Where working on the toys/bones etc. every time mia has a toy max wants it each and every time. Mia has a toy max takes it away and she goes for another and max wants the other one as well idk why he does that. I'm trying to teach him to share and mia to not let him take it all like it's not hers. They both have their toys. Any suggestions on how I get that working?

Another question why does sometime when max tries to sniff Mia , mia gives him her butt, putting her tail to one side? Isn't That Like Offering herself? Mia is fixed btw. Do I have to fix max?
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Thankss everyone this was very informative.

Max only has about a month in and I see a difference starting a week ago , mia has let him slide with alot and just a week ago she snapped barking at him , he tried to stand on her and she moved and stood up on two feet on him. I was like finally! Ur dominance is stepping out. I started pushing max away from mia when he starts to bother her in a bad way and he has gotten better at that. mia walks more calmly around the house now and shuvs him off when he tries to do something stupid.

We have plenty of training sessions throughout the week together. Max does sleep in the pen still because mia needs space to breath without him around I feel.
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Where working on the toys/bones etc. every time mia has a toy max wants it each and every time. Mia has a toy max takes it away and she goes for another and max wants the other one as well idk why he does that. I'm trying to teach him to share and mia to not let him take it all like it's not hers. They both have their toys. Any suggestions on how I get that working?

Another question why does sometime when max tries to sniff Mia , mia gives him her butt, putting her tail to one side? Isn't That Like Offering herself? Mia is fixed btw. Do I have to fix max?
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lol aren't they funny?! Not sure about the butt sniffing I have 2 girls...but I have heard that is their "identity" . Maybe he was saying..." What'd you say your name was?" And she said " I told you once already!" Lol!

Oh and the TOYS!! You oughta see how many zillion toys I have and you'd think I'd only ONE small light orange squeeker ball cause that is the only thing either of them have a blast with! I tried everything too! Even mixing slobbers on different balls to get baby Izzy to run after if I throw at the same time two.
The little one always wants what the other has. Same with kids! Zoey lets her have it too then waits till she's done and goes to grab it. Never any fighting or possessiveness , watch for that and step in. Izzy just likes to run alongside her or behind her when ball is thrown , then runs back with her playfully nipping at her ears all the way ! Just keep trying to attract the younger one by throwing TWO balls as similar as possible. She's starting to go for it...but still wants what Zoey has😏
Oh and be sure to play with BOTH at the same time so no one feels left out.
That can be hard to do. I was always told to put the first one you had , first, like when you handout treats, lay down separate food bowls, lifting them up on your lap, etc. cause the second doesn't know any different, the first one does...isn't that so true?!
I catch myself sometimes forgetting zoey is around the corner near when I have the other sit up for a treat and she s looking at me like...."well what about me?"
Good luck and have fun they are such a joy!
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Absolutely adorable! Your lucky Mia is so docile ....my hubby had a hard time letting the older one Zoey stand her ground and snap out the boundaries....like
1. Don't lay in MY spot in humans lap.
2. I need my morning time go play somewhere else!
3. I don't feel like playing right now!
4. That's MY food and you don't get any!
5. Go get your own toothbrush and chew on it!

But now Izzy gets it and they get along fine.
Izzy found her spot near my feet on lounge chair.
Izzy sleeps in now.
Izzy likes to look out the window to amuze herself.
I feed Izzy inher pen or at window with a carrot stick if she finishes first.
Toothbrushes and food are monitered by MAMA.

It's a process😇
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I'm in the same shoes this week. I have a 2 years old male pure yorkie and just brought home a 6 months female morkie. At first my yorkie (Yobo) was barking and growling at Boba. Sometimes jumping on her trying to nip at her. What I did is started to hold them both and pet them at the same time giving them both attention and gradually letting them get familiar with each other. Yobo shows signs of jealousy at first. I also trained them together like sit, shake, hi-5, and standard obedience. Provided both with lots of treats. This was great as Yobo already knows all these tricks so Boba was picking it up fast from watching him. At first Yobo didn't want to sit next to Boba. Gradually I moved them closer. Also, what help tremendously was that I take them for walks together at least 4 times a day. I went to the park and let them loose and had them both chase me. Walks together was great as it helped them bond and also Boba watching Yobo she learned how to be potty trained. In doors I throw a toy and have both of them fetch. They have minor scruffs but eventually they started to play together and even played tug with each other. It's been 4 days and they are great with each other now. They even play with each other when I'm busy. With Boba it helped Yobo with his separation anxiety as well.

The key is have them do activities together and give them LOTS of treats. Also, give the original dog a bit more attention so that he/she knows you still love him/her. G'luck!
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I have been training max a lot constantly repeating sessions with him and mia in the same room , and indeed he has learned something because he listens spontaneously during the sessions. however, my worry mostly is mia, because shes not playing the dominance role here. She more like defenseless, when he runs after her is growling and barking at her trying to bite her and there has been a few times where mia yelps that's when I notice he bit her. I would love it if mia actually confronts back but she doesn't she just barks at her when shes over exited/dehydrated from running away from him. If mia would play the dominance role, she would be able to teach him that biting isn't right. what do I do in this case?
Sounds like you are making some progress which is great. Just don't expect a miracle over night. It take a ton of work and more importantly Consistency ! That is the key to a well trained pup. You and if anyone else in in the home must adopt the same correction techniques. Always use the same commands and do it within seconds of the bad behavior. Just watch for the tell tell signs and stop it before he has a change to react. This will work for any type unwanted behavior.

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Thankss everyone this was very informative.

Max only has about a month in and I see a difference starting a week ago , mia has let him slide with alot and just a week ago she snapped barking at him , he tried to stand on her and she moved and stood up on two feet on him. I was like finally! Ur dominance is stepping out. I started pushing max away from mia when he starts to bother her in a bad way and he has gotten better at that. mia walks more calmly around the house now and shuvs him off when he tries to do something stupid.

We have plenty of training sessions throughout the week together. Max does sleep in the pen still because mia needs space to breath without him around I feel.

Where working on the toys/bones etc. every time mia has a toy max wants it each and every time. Mia has a toy max takes it away and she goes for another and max wants the other one as well idk why he does that. I'm trying to teach him to share and mia to not let him take it all like it's not hers. They both have their toys. Any suggestions on how I get that working?

Another question why does sometime when max tries to sniff Mia , mia gives him her butt, putting her tail to one side? Isn't That Like Offering herself? Mia is fixed btw. Do I have to fix max?
This can be is a sign of submission as well as flagging when a female is in heat. Since she is fixed I don't thing you have to worry about that. Its just another way dogs say "hello". As long as there is no sign of aggression they should be fine.

Also, the toy/bones thing . . you really have to be careful when it comes to this. I had major issues with two of my gals over toys and such. To the point where a fight would break out. If Mia gives it willingly with no issue than its ok, they'll figure out how to share eventually. If there is any sign of aggression this is something that needs to be addressed asap so that is doesn't turn into something worse down the line.
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Im not sure what mia is doing in the video but i caught them a few times like this. Funny thing is when they acting very crazy not like the video, i say "hey!" Or "stop!" Loud and firm and they both stop and get on lay down command quickly. Sometimes all i do is turn on my phone light towards them and they do that again, too darn smart!

This video is an improvement right? Lol or am I bugging out.
I cant wait till these guys get along i need to close this playpen Asap it takes too much space. When should i be able to :

leave them alone together?
Buy one big bed for both of them?
Close down max's play pen for good?

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Sounds like you are making some progress which is great. Just don't expect a miracle over night. It take a ton of work and more importantly Consistency ! That is the key to a well trained pup. You and if anyone else in in the home must adopt the same correction techniques. Always use the same commands and do it within seconds of the bad behavior. Just watch for the tell tell signs and stop it before he has a change to react. This will work for any type unwanted behavior.



This can be is a sign of submission as well as flagging when a female is in heat. Since she is fixed I don't thing you have to worry about that. Its just another way dogs say "hello". As long as there is no sign of aggression they should be fine.

Also, the toy/bones thing . . you really have to be careful when it comes to this. I had major issues with two of my gals over toys and such. To the point where a fight would break out. If Mia gives it willingly with no issue than its ok, they'll figure out how to share eventually. If there is any sign of aggression this is something that needs to be addressed asap so that is doesn't turn into something worse down the line.
I began training this matter ever since i read the post. Thank you so much. It has improved , Mia still gives in at times. They began tuggle wars with toys now. Most of the time when mia picks a toy to play, max rund to take it away he is so greedy he wants all the toys he takes them after mia letts him, to take all the way to his bed , he packs them all on his bed. But i started saying no when shes playin with a toy and he wants it, i give him another toy to play with and he listens for like 10 mins and plays with the toy but then he wants mia's toy again and they tuggle war for it. And so on goes the process of no repetition. Lol
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