about going after feet and don't want to come when called still

[kikil]

will we thought that she has stop going after our feet. but today she right back at it and big time I should say. No matter what we say or do she just don't want to listen to us when we try to get her to stop it. I just wish she would stop before hurts one of us. and she will be to in aug too. And she still wont come to us when we call her still. at one time we thought we was getting there but I guess we was wrong on that one too. just don't know what we are doing wrong. she think she can do whatever she want and ever. but she just can't do that. and we have had class with her 2 time and in class she does listen and do what she is told but at home no way. just don't know what to do any more. the only think I could think of was to come on here and see if u guys had anything different to help out. and thanks for taking the tiime to read this and give any help if u have anything. thanks again.

[kjc]

Might be worth investing in a trainer to come to your house to see first hand what the problem is, and correct it from there.

[yorkietalkjilly]

One way a non-trainer who is having trouble training can "charge" an obedience command is to sit with the dog by your side and say "Come"(or whatever trick you are training) and hold out a treat in your hand for her to instantly gobble up. Over and over. Day after day. Two weeks later, get the treats, sit down beside the dog and she will know what is coming. She will start to get really excited. It is treat time in her mind! And she will have learned to LOVE the word "Come".

Have someone come and sit on the far side of the dog to hold her in place and you move about 3 feet away from the dog and say "Come" and hold the treat out in your hand. As soon as she strains against that person to come to you, have them release her and let her come get the treat. Praise her! Have that person get the dog, hold her in place 3 feet away again, get out another treat and say "Come" and hold the treat out in your hand. As soon as she strains against that person to come to you, have them release her and let her come get the treat. Praise her.

Repeat about 5 or 6 times in a row and that's it. Do this a few times a day and in a few days, move farther than 3 feet away as the person sits beside and restrains the dog until you say "Come" and hold out the treat. Keep on repeating that.

I guarantee you that when you work up slowly this way and charge that command with an instant treat for two weeks, she will fight to get to you and get her treat and praise! In time you can move quite far away and she will still come running to get that treat and praise. And the treat should be there every time for at least another couple of months. After that, you can start to just praise when she comes in place of a treat every 3rd. "come". Then, spread out the treats even more. Eventually, you don't need the other person to hold her and just keep a little dish of treats by the back door and she will come running knowing that some times she comes in, she gets a piece of kibble treat. Other times in the house when you call her, just spontaneously praise and get her a treat reward. It will keep her coming just to see if this time she might get a treat but all the while she is learning that no matter what, she does "come" when called. Keep working on this from time to time no matter how old she gets to keep it fresh in her mind.

Tibbe still gets a piece of kibble every single time he comes in from outside. No exceptions. It is just one of the little things I like to do to keep him running when called in from outside. He comes running every single time and has now for 1 1/2 years. Never has missed one time. He's come very slowly a few times but he's never defied me once since the kibble treat and praise is waiting. It's a small thing but he enjoys it and no doubt he's so well-trained now I could start to withhold the treat occasionally and he'd still come running. He's just so used to doing it he doesn't know not to. It's become a Pavlov's dog type reaction for him. "Come" means run to mommie and get a smile, praise and a treat!

[bchgirl]

If she listens at class but not at home...you aren't re-enforcing the good behavior.
To get her to come...every time...not once in a while but every time she does...reward her.

[Maximo]

For going after feet, when Max didn't listen to the "no" command, I put him back in his xpen until he settled down. He would nip my feet when we first got out of bed in the morning. He learned if he wanted his freedom, no nipping.

For the come command, make sure you are calling her to come for desirable things as well as "undesirable." Tell her to come and reward her with a little petting and a "good girl", maybe a treat, and then let her go. When you praise her for coming, go wild like she has done the best thing in the world.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by kjc

Might be worth investing in a trainer to come to your house to see first hand what the problem is, and correct it from there.

I kind of thought about that. but the thing is with this we can find someone that would come to the house since we do live in a small town. all I could find online was for big city or the story. and to it would cost a lot of money and we would have to save up for something like that to. but it's still something to look into some more. but things might change with the weather since she really can't go outside right now. when the weather is warmer she can go out for walks or car ride where she a lot busier that might help. I am just guess that might help I am not to sure.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by yorkietalkjilly

One way a non-trainer who is having trouble training can "charge" an obedience command is to sit with the dog by your side and say "Come"(or whatever trick you are training) and hold out a treat in your hand for her to instantly gobble up. Over and over. Day after day. Two weeks later, get the treats, sit down beside the dog and she will know what is coming. She will start to get really excited. It is treat time in her mind! And she will have learned to LOVE the word "Come".

Have someone come and sit on the far side of the dog to hold her in place and you move about 3 feet away from the dog and say "Come" and hold the treat out in your hand. As soon as she strains against that person to come to you, have them release her and let her come get the treat. Praise her! Have that person get the dog, hold her in place 3 feet away again, get out another treat and say "Come" and hold the treat out in your hand. As soon as she strains against that person to come to you, have them release her and let her come get the treat. Praise her.

Repeat about 5 or 6 times in a row and that's it. Do this a few times a day and in a few days, move farther than 3 feet away as the person sits beside and restrains the dog until you say "Come" and hold out the treat. Keep on repeating that.

I guarantee you that when you work up slowly this way and charge that command with an instant treat for two weeks, she will fight to get to you and get her treat and praise! In time you can move quite far away and she will still come running to get that treat and praise. And the treat should be there every time for at least another couple of months. After that, you can start to just praise when she comes in place of a treat every 3rd. "come". Then, spread out the treats even more. Eventually, you don't need the other person to hold her and just keep a little dish of treats by the back door and she will come running knowing that some times she comes in, she gets a piece of kibble treat. Other times in the house when you call her, just spontaneously praise and get her a treat reward. It will keep her coming just to see if this time she might get a treat but all the while she is learning that no matter what, she does "come" when called. Keep working on this from time to time no matter how old she gets to keep it fresh in her mind.

Tibbe still gets a piece of kibble every single time he comes in from outside. No exceptions. It is just one of the little things I like to do to keep him running when called in from outside. He comes running every single time and has now for 1 1/2 years. Never has missed one time. He's come very slowly a few times but he's never defied me once since the kibble treat and praise is waiting. It's a small thing but he enjoys it and no doubt he's so well-trained now I could start to withhold the treat occasionally and he'd still come running. He's just so used to doing it he doesn't know not to. It's become a Pavlov's dog type reaction for him. "Come" means run to mommie and get a smile, praise and a treat!

when we did do this she really wouldn't come to much. but she would do it in class a lot more then at home. if I tell her to come or someone else in the family does she just does what she wants to do. we use treat at first it seem like she was coming but she just stop working with that. Now if we had someone to hold her thats not going to work. Just because she would want to play with that person more then listen to what I have to say. she pay more to my dad then me when I am trying to get her to do something. and lot of the time just does what he wants with her no matter what we are trying to do. at time she think she can do whatever she wants and whenever too.

But we can try all this over and see what she does since she is over a 1 year old. I just hope she start to listen to us. I just hate that she think that she can go after our feet when she wants and do whatever she want. I just hope something work with her. we will try and keep it up with her more and see how it works out.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by bchgirl

If she listens at class but not at home...you aren't re-enforcing the good behavior.
To get her to come...every time...not once in a while but every time she does...reward her.

I think she like to show off in class for the teacher and the other dogs in class. but she think that she don't have to do it for me and the rest of the family only when she want so.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by Maximo

For going after feet, when Max didn't listen to the "no" command, I put him back in his xpen until he settled down. He would nip my feet when we first got out of bed in the morning. He learned if he wanted his freedom, no nipping.

For the come command, make sure you are calling her to come for desirable things as well as "undesirable." Tell her to come and reward her with a little petting and a "good girl", maybe a treat, and then let her go. When you praise her for coming, go wild like she has done the best thing in the world.

she does the going after feet when we in bed or on the choch however u sp it. and she don't listen to the word no and I giver a spanking and she just give me a look like what the hell did u just do to me. and then the next second she goes right back to my feet.

now for the comming we have tryed the treats she would listen for a little while and it just stop. no matter how many time we tell her come here I got something for u or I would say I got a treat for u but that didn't work. she just think she the boss and she going to do what she wants and she don't care.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by Maximo

For going after feet, when Max didn't listen to the "no" command, I put him back in his xpen until he settled down. He would nip my feet when we first got out of bed in the morning. He learned if he wanted his freedom, no nipping.

For the come command, make sure you are calling her to come for desirable things as well as "undesirable." Tell her to come and reward her with a little petting and a "good girl", maybe a treat, and then let her go. When you praise her for coming, go wild like she has done the best thing in the world.

oh yeah before I forget this. we can use a pen on her because she chew up on the zip where u can use it. all she just lay in while I am in here lot of the time. so I would have to come up with other way to put her up for going after the feet. but it's a good idea to do.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by kikil

she does the going after feet when we in bed or on the choch however u sp it. and she don't listen to the word no and I giver a spanking and she just give me a look like what the hell did u just do to me. and then the next second she goes right back to my feet.

now for the comming we have tryed the treats she would listen for a little while and it just stop. no matter how many time we tell her come here I got something for u or I would say I got a treat for u but that didn't work. she just think she the boss and she going to do what she wants and she don't care.

Forget the spanking. Reacting physically only teaches that being physical is okay.

Positive reinforcement training, and maintaining a calm, confident demeanor is the only way to have a calm, obedient pet. If you are "excited" and reactive, showing your frustration, spanking, your pup is never going to behave or do what you want her to do.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Forget the spanking. Reacting physically only teaches that being physical is okay.

Positive reinforcement training, and maintaining a calm, confident demeanor is the only way to have a calm, obedient pet. If you are "excited" and reactive, showing your frustration, spanking, your pup is never going to behave or do what you want her to do.

sometime it does seem to work. we try the calm thing and tell her no but that just make her even more mad and she goes after the feet even more and harder sometime. she think she has the right to go after our feet no matter what we say. when I do the spanking thing she does back off more and sometime she back off for a few second and then goes right back it even harder.

[Maximo]

Originally Posted by kikil

sometime it does seem to work. we try the calm thing and tell her no but that just make her even more mad and she goes after the feet even more and harder sometime. she think she has the right to go after our feet no matter what we say. when I do the spanking thing she does back off more and sometime she back off for a few second and then goes right back it even harder.

Training takes a lot of patience and consistency. It won't happen overnight and she will test your patience. Spanking is not going to help. Please do not spank your dog. She may seem stunned for a moment, but you are sending her all kinds of mixed signals and she probably thinks it is one big game.

For the pen, I use metal xpens. We also have $10 baby gates from Walmart. My boys can undo zippers too.

[yorkietalkjilly]

Oh, trust me, she will come if you entice her with warm, boiled chicken or a chew bone or squeaky toy or whatever she loves and you do it as suggested and do it with enthusiasm, consistently, leadership and lots of loving patience. Trust me, dogs aren't that different - all it takes is someone they trust to work regularly and patiently with them over and over until they get it. And they do eventually get it and start to work and learn unless there is a problem. And you know what? The problem is almost always with the teacher. It sounds as if you have lost or never had your dog's complete trust from perhaps being a little scary to her, aren't patient enough, or it could be you don't represent an authority figure to her or don't have a lot of skills handling dogs. I recall a few threads from you in the past asking for help trying to teach or control her and good advice was given then. Sounds as if none of it worked that well for you but unless your dog is ill or has a learning disability, the problem is with the teacher and not the doggie. Wait - wait - don't feel bad - a lot of people can't train or handle dogs well!!! They either love them too much to be very firm or they are unsure themselves, may be a little too hard on the dog and expect too much - there can be many reasons why a dog can't learn from someone. Trust me - the majority of people are like that and that's probably why so many dogs are taken to Animal Shelters. You can call shelters and talk to works and misbehavior and lack of housebreaking are probably the biggest reasons people really give up their dogs. They may say they are moving or give some other excuse but the real reason - dog misbehavior/lack of housebreaking. They can't housebreak or teach them how to behave and the dog bites, barks all the time, jumps up on everybody that walks close to it, dirties the house and guards its food - things like that. Dogs like that can even get dangerous around the children. Lots and lots of folks like that that simply don't know how to train. And if you are one of those and your dog won't listen to you, for whatever reason, it is better to face it now and be done with trying to train your girl without some serious professional help.

That being the case, you will want to use a dog trainer who comes highly recommended for being able to teach people how to handle their dogs first and foremost and who can patiently sit down with you and step by step show you what to do, the right level of authority and enthusiasm and yet when to be matter-of-fact. There are likely no other answers for you unless you to find a good trainer who loves to teach people how to teach their own dogs and keep it up. I sure wish I lived close by you as I could show you how to work with and train your dog in such a way she would respond and enjoy the whole process.

A good trainer who has trained all kinds of dogs, even the toughest of tough cases, will get results with your dog and show you how to do that, too. You can likely find someone who is well-versed in dog-training and, more important, people training, who can come and show you exactly what to do and how to become a teacher and how to "read" your own dog as they change their moods, etc.. You might not find someone the first time or even the second but keep looking and you can likely find someone to help you out. Best of luck to you.

[kikil]

Originally Posted by Maximo

Training takes a lot of patience and consistency. It won't happen overnight and she will test your patience. Spanking is not going to help. Please do not spank your dog. She may seem stunned for a moment, but you are sending her all kinds of mixed signals and she probably thinks it is one big game.

For the pen, I use metal xpens. We also have $10 baby gates from Walmart. My boys can undo zippers too.

I am not the only one that has been working with her and it's still ot working. we been working with her since we got her. I don't think it sending the wrong signal. we do have gates and she hate them they have falling on her and me too. we just put them up where she can't go to far but she can still get to the pad in the bathroom and my room and my parents room .