Kodoos to those of you who have trained young puppies sucessfully

[Wallee]

Wallee was doing so well. We were managing to get through the days with him asking to go outside or using his pee pads. The weather has been cold and now wet so we are down to one short walk a day. Yesterday I caught him starting to pee on the carpet and ushered him quickly outside. Today we went for our walk and he did his business. We went out and left him for a couple hours (with a pee pad which he doesn't seem to use while we are out) and he was fine. He knows the drill and goes immediately to the door when we come in to go to the bathroom.
A couple hours later he was acting restless, doing the "I need the bathroom" sniff around the room. I immediately took him outside and stood with him for at least 15 minutes. Since it has been raining, the grass is muddy again so all he did was root his nose in the mud the whole time. He ran to the door to go back in. I stepped away long enough to go to the bathroom myself and came back out to find he peed and pooed on the carpet. UGGGH.... Thank God I bought more enzyme cleaner today.
Also he sleeps in a crate in my room at night. When he was younger, he always slept until 5 am. I always take him out and make sure he pees before bed. Lately he has been waking me up between 3:30 and 4:30 am to pee and poo.
Wow..... So very frustrating.

[my2boyz]

How old is Wallee?

Are you crate training him during the day? That's how I trained mine and it sure makes life easier in a lot of ways.

As for the needing to go potty during the night...what time do you feed him his last meal of the day or do you leave food in his crate at night?

[Wallee]

Hi there. Wallee is 9 months old. I did crate him until he started asking to go outside or went to his pad. He still only has limited run in the house and I am always with him. He has been doing so well we have actually started to let him stay out in the living room when we go out on short runs. If we are out longer, he is gated in the kitchen and left with a pad. As I mentioned, he has started holding it when we are out as the pad is always dry.
Feeding wise, he has always been a bit tough to feed. He will NOT EAT in the morning. He eats some kibble mid day and gets a few teaspoons of canned food at supper as we give the cats wet food then. He does the bulk of his kibble eating at night. Should I maybe take it away at a certain time?

[noochie2742]

mine only use pads. but i always crate trained other breeds i never fed past 6pm and took them out before bed and in morning by 5am. until fully housebroken. pee pads and yorkies are new to me i got my first in sept 2012 i coukdnt stop at one now i have 4 i lost a pup in oct I'm soooo hooked on them good luck

[KazzyK810]

Originally Posted by Wallee

Wallee was doing so well. We were managing to get through the days with him asking to go outside or using his pee pads. The weather has been cold and now wet so we are down to one short walk a day. Yesterday I caught him starting to pee on the carpet and ushered him quickly outside.
Wow..... So very frustrating.

I'm confused! Are you trying to outdoor train him or pad train him?

[my2boyz]

Originally Posted by Wallee

Hi there. Wallee is 9 months old. I did crate him until he started asking to go outside or went to his pad. He still only has limited run in the house and I am always with him. He has been doing so well we have actually started to let him stay out in the living room when we go out on short runs. If we are out longer, he is gated in the kitchen and left with a pad. As I mentioned, he has started holding it when we are out as the pad is always dry.
Feeding wise, he has always been a bit tough to feed. He will NOT EAT in the morning. He eats some kibble mid day and gets a few teaspoons of canned food at supper as we give the cats wet food then. He does the bulk of his kibble eating at night. Should I maybe take it away at a certain time?

Is Wallee neutered? If not, he may be marking...it's different than peeing.

At 9 months he should be able to 'hold it' for about 9 hours, I think the rule of thumb is 1 hour for every month of their age. If he doesn't totally have the hang of it I would continue to use his crate until he does. If crate training is done properly it can be great for you and your dog. I leave the doors open on the crates here and they go in and out as they please. I keep a water dish inside each one along with their beds.

Also, at 9 months, if he's not having any blood sugar issues he should be able to go all night with no food...but always keep water available. He probably isn't hungry in the morning because he eats late at night. I feed mine at about 6:30 a.m. and 6 to 6:30 p.m. but they always have fresh water in their bowl. You might try feeding him a little less at night so he's hungry in the morning...do this slowly so you don't create any issues...and maybe you can change his schedule enough to get him trained.

I trained mine to go outside and to use pads inside when we're gone and it works great for us. We just moved into a new house and we made a potty area in the basement for them for when we're gone. We got a plastic doggie playpen and made it into a square but took out one panel to make the entrance, we got a piece of lenoleum large enough to cover the area inside the playpen and I cover the lenoleum with their pads...they know to use that area when they have to go. But, I can also tell them to 'go to their room' and they will go into their crates and lay down when I need them to. So, you can train several different ways and have them all work for you.

[Wallee]

Thanks for the wonderful advice. Wallee was neutered at 6 months. He was pad trained as before he was fixed he was peeing very often and having the pad down was great as he would just use that whenever he wanted to go. In November I lost my job so figured while I am unemployed it was the perfect time to transition him to totally outside. In the past week I have noticed that he is only using the pad once or twice a day. The pad is near the door and sometimes he will just use that instead of asking. I was thrilled that he was asking to go outside most of the time and just told my husband that probably when this box of pads is gone he will no longer need them.
Tomorrow I am going to try taking his food away at 6ish and weather permitting, get those 2 walks a day back in. Before it got dark we always did an after supper walk which I am sure helped him sleep so well.
I just gotta keep focused on him more. I'm sure it is my fault.

[my2boyz]

Originally Posted by Wallee

Thanks for the wonderful advice. Wallee was neutered at 6 months. He was pad trained as before he was fixed he was peeing very often and having the pad down was great as he would just use that whenever he wanted to go. In November I lost my job so figured while I am unemployed it was the perfect time to transition him to totally outside. In the past week I have noticed that he is only using the pad once or twice a day. The pad is near the door and sometimes he will just use that instead of asking. I was thrilled that he was asking to go outside most of the time and just told my husband that probably when this box of pads is gone he will no longer need them.
Tomorrow I am going to try taking his food away at 6ish and weather permitting, get those 2 walks a day back in. Before it got dark we always did an after supper walk which I am sure helped him sleep so well.
I just gotta keep focused on him more. I'm sure it is my fault.

You can work this out...don't worry

I would feed him at supper time and then take him for a walk so he can go potty, if you feel he is hungry at bedtime while adjusting to his new routine then give him a small snack before bed but not another meal. What time does he normally eat? If you feed him around 6 and then nothing else all night will that be a big change for him? You might have to change the food amounts and schedule slowly rather than all at once.

The idea behind scheduled feeding is to 'predict' potty times...but...we're not so strict around here that nothing ever changes. I give them a bedtime snack sometimes and they do get a mid day snack too but they are trained and I know their schedule and behaviors...once they get on the bed at night they don't get off (even though I keep a pad on the floor just in case) but they sure make a beeline for the door in the morning!

You'll get it...hang in there!

[Wallee]

Thanks again. As I said, kibble feeding has always been a challenge with him. He will only eat it from a treat ball so it's easy for me to loose track of how often I fill it. I will measure out the amount of kibble recommended for him each day tomorrow so I can figure out if he is eating the right amount. Sometimes I have seen him eat right up until his bed time (which is usually 9ish.(he is sleeping in the cats bed beside me now cause it's past his bed time).
The after supper walk probably won't return until the days get longer as he barks at everything when it's dark and there are coyotes in the area.

[my2boyz]

Originally Posted by Wallee

Thanks again. As I said, kibble feeding has always been a challenge with him. He will only eat it from a treat ball so it's easy for me to loose track of how often I fill it. I will measure out the amount of kibble recommended for him each day tomorrow so I can figure out if he is eating the right amount. Sometimes I have seen him eat right up until his bed time (which is usually 9ish.(he is sleeping in the cats bed beside me now cause it's past his bed time).
The after supper walk probably won't return until the days get longer as he barks at everything when it's dark and there are coyotes in the area.

Oh, I don't blame you...I wouldn't want to walk after dark either.

Before we put the fence up I would just walk them around our yard on their leashes.

After he eats his last meal does he go all night with no food? If so, maybe break his meals up into 3 or 4 smaller meals a day while he's young and then gradually work up to just 2 or 3 meals a day. You'll learn what works for him so he's not hungry and what works for you too.

[Wallee]

Well yesterday and today the weather was perfect. I took Wallee for 2 VERY LONG walks bothddays. We still had one accident yesterday and despite my jumping every time I thought he needed to go, one today. To further comlpicate things I made the mistake yesterday of getting out the cats laser toy. He became so obsessed with it that I took it away. His obsession still goes on today and he runs all over the place sniffing like crazy looking for it. Now I can't tell if he is sniffing to pee or looking for that dawned laser. I am so anxious about him peeing on the carpet I can't sit down. I have confined him to the kitchen just now to give myself a break and he is whining.
I feel like such a failure. He will be 10 months old on the 27th.

[my2boyz]

Keep working with him...1 accident a day isn't bad at all when you're still training. Are you using his crate? I would use the crate as much as you can and maybe use belly bands when he is out if you have to...at least that way if he does have an accident before you catch him it will stay in the pad. I know they really helped with the 2 little male rescues I had last year until I got them trained.

[Wallee]

Today was a much better day. I had to wake him from his crate at 6 am. Last night I took away his food and water around 7 pm.
I had to do a webinar today as well so he spent part of the morning gated in the kitchen followed by a very long walk. I haven't let him out of my sight today and any time he tries to wander to his favorite pee site I make him get right back by my side. I believe he has weaned himself from his pads (which is fine by me) as he hasn't used them in days. When I do let him out I always stand and make sure he pees before coming back in. Right now he is still pretty hyper so trying to get him to settle down as bed time draws near.