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09-17-2012, 01:58 PM | #1 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St. Maarten, Neth. Ant.
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| Help... 11yro Yorkie Now Pees Where Ever In Room Hi guys... I'm at my wits end with Gucci right now. Recently,.... Well.... For about 4-5 months now, he's been peeing in spots away from his pad... Often times just a foot away from his peeing pad. He's 11 years old and since he was a puppy I trained him to go on the pad because I worked shifts plus I always lived in apartment buildings. I work from 8am to 5pm and he's alone all day. I confine him to my room and leave the tv on. For some time now I've been coming home to pee outside of the pad. He never does it when I am home... Only when I am not home. I've done everything I could think of. I used vinegar and water mix to clean the area, Baking soda, those fancy and expensive sprays, I've even lost my cool and spanked him close to the mess. I feel like he KNOWS he's doing something wrong because when I come home he hides under the bed. Like today, I foolishly left a pile of clothes I didn't finish wash yesterday while I was doing the laundry and it looks like one of the towels was close to one of the spots he's been peeing on outside the pad and he peed on the towel. I am so livid... mainly because I've trained this dog and he never ever does it when I'm around. As I am here typing this he is hiding under the bed.... good thing, let me tell you. I just don't know what to do any more. I have to work so him being alone during the day there's nothing I can do about that. I saw something called scat mat and wondering if maybe I should get one and place it in the "area"... I've also thought perhaps I should put him in the bathroom which is tiny and he can't pee outside of the pad much.... Or crate him. But I feel bad crating him for so long plus how can I crate him if I can't come and let him out to do his business until I'm back home from work. I don't want to tie him until I get home either... I really don't know what to do... anyone ever been in this predicament...any suggestions? |
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09-17-2012, 04:31 PM | #2 |
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| I know you are upset, but please don't spank Gucci. Maybe a visit to the vet is in order. Maybe he isn't feeling well or it could be age related. I hope you find out why this is happening. Good luck. |
09-17-2012, 04:36 PM | #3 |
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| I will bet he has a UTI, or something else health related. Everytime my dogs have problems like this its always a UTI...take him in for a urine sample. Poor baby...Good luck and let us know.
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09-17-2012, 04:43 PM | #4 |
♥Love My 3 Furrbutts♥ Donating Member | I was thinking the same thing as Lynzy...UTI, take him to the vet...please dont spank him...you are teaching him to fear you by doing this, I know you are upset...get him to the vet and see what he\she says. Good luck and keep us posted.
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09-17-2012, 05:10 PM | #5 |
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| Once he's been vetted, treated if needed and that's behind you, you will need to just retrain him to the pad. Somehow he's gotten it in his head going on the pad is not the thing to do now. Dogs don't reason or try to get even or anything - they change habits out of necessity or because they have a good reason in their minds. Something browned him off using the pad and got him onto other areas. Just retrain him over time that the pad is the place to go again. Be extremely patient with him during the retrain. Stay positive, upbeat, loving, patient as your baby relearns it all. First of all I would change the area where you place his pads down and don't let him get to the old area where he's been peeing on the floor. He's got to forget that area as a possible potty spot for a long while as he's retrained. When you can't watch him, reconfine him to an area with just pads covering the area, watch him like a hawk when he's out of the confined area and when he gives the signal it's time to "go", take him gently to his pad and wait for him to use it, praising him with warm words and hugs, even occasionally a treat for using it properly. Be very proud of him and show it. It's a big step. If he doesn't go then, bring him back to where you are but keep watching him constantly until he's given the signal again or goes or you confine him to his crate/pen covered in pads. Eventually, you can put two crates together or buy a larger one so that you can use pads in only one end to test if he's relearned the message to only use his pads and not nonpad space. But don't keep him in the crate for prolonged periods when you are home - just when you can't watch him directly. You'll have to use the urine odor/stain special stain remover that takes out the protein, bacteria and re-use it a few times on the areas he's been using and keep his access to those areas or that room completely restricted until he is totally & permanently retrained - could take months and months of restriction - at least until his memory of using those areas is quite dim and his new habits are established.
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09-17-2012, 05:20 PM | #6 |
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| Hi all... Thank you for the replies. If it was a UTI, wouldn't these "pee accidents" happen while I'm home too? I'd spend the whole weekend with him and he'd pee in the right place... the min I leave to the store for example, I find he goes off the pad. First this started every once in a while, now it's almost a sure thing. Again, only when I am not home. I thought of putting those doggy pampers on him but I'm afraid putting those on for 8hrs a day won't be good for him and might irritate him. |
09-17-2012, 05:28 PM | #7 |
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| Tibbe goes in the back yard and he changes his potty spot about every 3 or 4 weeks. He will use a particular area for a while and then change to a different area of the yard. I don't think they naturally like to use the same soiled area over and over for long. Whatever his reason is for using the floor rather than the pad when you are gone, you will have to manage his ability to access that area and prevent it when you are gone until he is retrained. Might change his brand of pee pads, too. Give him a new beginning. I would not leave a diaper on a dog past the moment he soiled it.
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09-17-2012, 05:42 PM | #8 | |
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He sleeps in my bed but I think I'll buy him a bed for the bathroom. I hope this works... I've had him since he was 12 weeks and this is the first time I've found myself not knowing what else to do or how to fix this. | |
09-17-2012, 05:52 PM | #9 | |
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__________________ Jeanie and Tibbe One must do the best one can. You may get some marks for a very imperfect answer: you will certainly get none for leaving the question alone. C. S. Lewis | |
09-17-2012, 05:56 PM | #10 |
Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: St. Maarten, Neth. Ant.
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| I use the regular underbed pads I buy from the pharmacy... They aren't dog specific so no pee chemicals etc. He also knows the "pee pee" command. So if I put a pad down and say pee pee, he pees on it even if just a lil tinkle because he knows that's what I'm asking him to do. He's pretty smart... I think that's why I'm so frustrated about this... but him forgetting his training sounds plausible so I'll give the retraining a go and brace myself..training a puppy is hard... training an old man is so much harder! Lol I'll give the vet a call too. Thank you! |
09-17-2012, 06:39 PM | #11 |
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| I don't think he forgot his old training as much as he had some type of urgent reason or provocation for the change - a darn good reason in his mind, I'll bet. Using pads or newspapers is not natural for dogs so they adapt to them to try to please us. Going out of doors on the ground in a place of their choosing and best suited to spread their scent is natural to them. So when they adapt to going on things we place on the floor, I am sure at times with some dogs things come up that weird them out using pads, newspapers as the smells or sound of those things as they approach or walk on them are at times probably odd to them and a little suspicious to the more attuned dog so they just avoid it if or when possible. He may know that when you are home there would be immediate trouble if he missed the pad & went on the floor but when you aren't there, he can miss it in peace & quiet and satisfy his new need to avoid it at all costs. So changing up his habits, places, etc. can help retrain him, even at his age.
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09-17-2012, 06:59 PM | #12 | |
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Good luck and hang in there, its awful, I know..
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09-17-2012, 07:11 PM | #13 |
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| If this started when you moved into the new apartment (you mentioned you just moved into a 1 bedroom), it may be he can smell where dogs have gone in that apartment before. Getting the carpets cleaned professionally and make sure they use an enzyme pet treatment when they do it may help. But I agree, that this could easily be medical, especially at his age, and if he where my dog, I'd say a senior blood panel and urinalysis would be the first thing on my "to do" list. There are dozens of medical problems, especially in early stages, that can cause that, and can be easily treated or managed if caught early enough, but if allowed to progress they become much more difficult if not impossible to treat. A UTI could be making it painful for him to pee on his pad, so when that discomfort is combined you being gone, the combination is to much, and he urinates off the pad. When you're there, that anxiety/discomfort is gone, and he'll use it. This may or may not be the case, but honestly, I agree that at a bare minimum I'd be taking a urine sample in for a UA, UTIs can quickly damage the kidney if left untreated, especially in older dogs.
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09-18-2012, 12:15 PM | #14 |
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| Gucci Naughty Gucci!! There is a lot of good advice here and I hope you are able to retrain him. Who knows how dogs' minds work LOL! All the training books I have read say that dogs are not vindictive, but it sure looks like it sometimes. You mentioned a Scat Mat. I tried this and my poor dog was scared out of his wits and I sent it back. It is quite a shock they get even on the lowest setting. So I would suggest you try other things. But perhaps others have had a more positive experience? Good luck, it must really get you down. |
09-20-2012, 03:52 PM | #15 |
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| A doggie playpen is also a good alternative to crating. Enough room to walk round, have a bed, food & water, and a pee pad, but still confine him from peeing where you don't want while you are gone. I used one of those for about a year when Columbo was a puppy when he was home alone. |
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