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10-14-2011, 10:28 AM | #1 |
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| In Response to Earlier Post Thanks to everyone that posted to my earlier post about a broken relationship. I can completely understand the animosity towards me because I didn't explain my version of discipline. Please understand that I have never laid a hand on the dog. I have used loud noises and commands to try to teach the dog right from wrong. When I was describing his fear towards me, I should have clarified that it was fear towards all men. Especially those who talked with raised voices. He was raised by 2 females and no men where in his life. As far as getting rid of the dog, that is not an option. I was coming here to establish a line of help, but instead I was accused of not caring and abusing a 4 lb dog. With the seizures, we have gone to the vet many times. Bailey has been on 5 different meds, none of which help to control the seizures. Again, thanks to all those who actually made an effort to answer my questions. To all those you took that as a chance to personally attack me for trying to get help, get a life. Find out the story before attacking a person you don't know, as I'm sure you are all not perfect. |
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10-14-2011, 10:31 AM | #2 |
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| Has the vet prescribed KBR for the seizures? We had great success with that drug. |
10-14-2011, 10:44 AM | #3 |
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| Yes, we have tried that. The seizures seem to come and go. Wednesday night we were asleep for example. He got very spooked and started barking. He ran to the edge of the bed and froze into a seizure and fell off the bed before I could grab him. He has gone into seizures from barking, coming out of sleep, being scared, etc. There doesn't seem to be a rhyme or reason, it just happens. |
10-14-2011, 10:55 AM | #4 |
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| What you need to understand is the written word doesnt come accross as well as the spoken word. It came accross here that you hated your girlfriends dog and that isnt going to go accross well on a forum with yorkie lovers I hope you understand that. I just took it that you were frustrated with the dog but everybody reads things differently. I hope you wont hesitate to ask more questions or share stories. What you have to keep in mind is that when people on here give advice they are giving it from a whats best for the dog perspective. I wish you the best with your training
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10-14-2011, 11:19 AM | #5 |
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| Oh yes, by all means, keep those questions coming so people can educate others.
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10-14-2011, 11:49 AM | #6 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | I'm a great believer in walking a dog, if you've ever watch Cesar's program, he explains why walking is so important. Lots of people don't believe that a little dog needs walking, but a Yorkie isn't considered a lap dog like a Maltese, it's a terrier first. Yorkies are stubborn independent and smart, and while a German Shepard is wired to please it's master, you have to win the respect of your yorkie before he wants to please you (if ever ) Walking does a couple of different things, first it satisfies the need in a dog for a job, a dog is happier if it feels it’s doing its job, and surveying the neighborhood is a great job for dogs, and male dogs love to mark the neighborhood, I praise Joey when he does this, and he never marks in the house. Secondly, a purposeful walk with a dog allows the family to bond. You haven’t bonded with the dog yet, and a walk will help the dog accept the fact that you are a member of its pack. The walk need not be long, especially if the dog isn’t use to walking, and even a 5 minute walk will help. Another tip I picked up from Caesar is making the dog sit before feeding. You command the dog to sit, and say "stay" while you place the bowl on the floor. Make the dog stay for 5 or so seconds before you give the release command, and then say okay, and move your finger to the bowl. Pick up the bowl, if your dog goes for the food before you give the release command. Usually they learn this very fast as long as you don’t go too long the first few times you are training. I never go over 30 seconds, but this will teach your dog that you are the alpha and in charge of all food. You don’t need to yell when you are the alpha, you can be a man of few words, and should display a calm confidence if you want your dog to respect you. Of course, you also need to respect the dog and part of this means reading about what a dog really needs and how to go about giving him that. I really like Cesar’s program because it teaches you about the dog’s psyche and what motivates a dog. There’s also something called, Nothing in life is for free, and it’s based on some of the same principles. You can google the words and lots of different sites talk about the program and there are even books you can buy. Nothing in Life is Free. The seizures could be due to severe anxiety, and it's important that you learn the best way to reduce his anxiety. Was he having seizure before, or is this something new?
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10-14-2011, 03:44 PM | #7 |
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| I have started to take Bailey on a walk daily. It has seriously curbed a lot of his behavior. I had no idea, until some of those responses that Yorkie's needed so much exercise. I posted the original post to get help with training, so I now understand that you have to be very specific when describing problems. To all those who think I beat the dog, please understand I do not. He is 4 lbs and I would seriously hurt him. I realize now that I used the word hatred but did not clarify it was towards the situation and not the dog. I really do appreciate all the support. As far as the recommendations for dog training. We have tried 2 classes, which we were kicked out of because Bailey attacked other dogs. We have also tried one on one training, with 4 trainers, 3 of which have recommended a shock collar treatment. HE IS 4 LB. I don't agree with that, so know we are stuck on our own. Again, any suggestions would be appreciated. If you would like to read the original post, just search my screen name and you will find it. |
10-14-2011, 04:20 PM | #8 |
I ♥ Joey & Ralphie! Donating Member | It's really hard to find a good trainer, people can call themselves trainers without any education. I think you were smart to pass on the trainers who want to use shock collars. The problem with using aversive punishments is that while it can get results fast, it always has bad side effects. It sounds like the dog has been traumatized by something and this can happen if you just yell at a dog. People assume that a dog really understands what they are saying, but they don't, they understand the tone of your voice, not so much the words. It sounds like you and your girlfriend have to come to some sort of agreement on the best course of action. It doesn't work when one person is making the dog behave and the other person is encouraging the dog to misbehave. I’m not sure of all you want to accomplish, but it sounds like you also need to make the dog feel more secure. I can’t diagnose these “seizures” over the web, if they are real seizures you dog needs to see a vet to rule out any medical problems. My guess it they are more like panic attacks and your dog is suffering from high anxiety. Perhaps your vet can even recommend a good trainer, and you need to find someone who has real credentials and believes in positive reinforcement. It sounds like one of your problems is housebreaking, has the dog ever been housebroken? My dog pees and poops in the house, but he goes on pee pads, not just anywhere he darn well pleases. Many people do this with small dogs because it’s convenient. Is this what you mean when you say the dog poops and pees in the house? Concerning bedtime, many trainers do not believe that you should sleep with your dog, and if you are experiencing problems, the first thing that should change is this. Have a nice bed on the floor for your dog, and just ignore it’s pleas for a few nights and it really should give up after a while. Your girlfriend should keep this up even when you’re not there and if she’s taking the dog to the bed when you leave it could create more problems. For a while, she should do all her cuddling and snuggling with the dog on the couch not in the bed. As I said, it’s important that you both agree on these things or you’ll drive the dog nuts. Dogs like to know what’s expected of them, and they love consistency.
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10-14-2011, 04:25 PM | #9 |
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| The one HUGE thing I've learned that is at the top of the priority list with my Yorkie is excercise! If she doesn't get enough, she will be into everything and be preoccupied, won't mind, and definately WON'T sleep good that night, therefore I'm up all night as well. Chloe loves to play chase so my husband chases her around the house at night about an hour before bedtime, she just falls off to sleep like a baby! |
10-14-2011, 04:34 PM | #10 |
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| BigBlueNation Hello and welcome to YT. I am a writer and it is absolutely true the written word can fail to express the tiny nuances of face to face, verbal conversation. When I am looking at a person I can see their body , hands, facial expressions and hear slight changes in voice tone and pauses. Are they serious, sarcastic, angry, sad, afraid, reluctant, aggressive , reserved , depressed, shy ? I can insert a question into the dialog to clarify, what exactly they are saying. I can ask, why, when, where, how. Reading a list of statements, can leave the reader to have blanks in the story, and to draw wrong conclusions. " the dog is terrified of me, and stares at me with huge eyes" What picture does that paint in your mind ? I hope you understand we love Yorkies. Many of us are not casual pet owners, our lives revolve around dogs. Some of us are breeders, trainers, or we work in Vet offices, rescue, and so on. So I would say, we see and hear a lot of abuse, neglect, and are very protective about Yorkies. You were an unknown. With out detailed information, people draw their own conclusions. On this forum if someone asks, should I keep my boyfriend or my Yorkie ? Some of us would say, show the man the door and keep the dog ! If you really want good advice and understanding, this is the right place for you. When someone sounds like they are accusing you, or they are having an emotional outburst, don't take it personal. Set them straight with more information, so that they can help. There is so much to share and learn on here, I hope you keep coming back.
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10-14-2011, 05:14 PM | #11 |
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| The joy of secondary communication is there are no tones, facial expressions, etc. So, like the other posters said, many times things can be taken wrong. Many people means many preceptions. And like the other posters said, most of us consider our Yorkies our children. I have told my husband many times that when it comes to him or the dog, then he should try to not let the door hit his butt on the way out However, to the topic at hand. Walking a dog is so so so so important. It creates a special type of bonding for you and your dog. My brother has many training issues with his dog, granted his he kind of created out of his own selfishness. But whatever the behavior problem, walkies seem to bring you back to square one with just understanding and bonding time. Please remember, these, like babies, are little precious animals that need you. They don't understand why you're upset. They don't understand why you're mad, or know why implementing rules. Please stick with positive training. You'll gain so much if you do.
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10-14-2011, 07:06 PM | #12 |
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| I'm so glad to see that you're still here and appreciate that you returned to clarify your situation Re seizure activity: I read that Bailey has been on five different seizure meds that haven't helped... Have you gotten a firm diagnosis of Bailey's seizures? (there are several different types as listed here: Types of Dog Seizures) Have you gotten a second or third opinion about the diagnosis? Have you seen a reduction in the number of seizures since he's been exercising on walks? In your initial post, you talked about Bailey whining at the edge of the bed only to find him staring at you... from what I read, that may be seizure activity also. (not trying to grill you... just throwing questions out there for you to think about if you haven't already) Re seperation anxiety: Maybe she could give him special treats when she leaves the house? Maybe you could be outside w/him so he doesn't see her leave? Or be on a walk so she's already gone when you get back w/Bailey? Re potty issues: When we had potty issues, I brought the poop out to the grass where I wanted them to go, then took the girls out on leash to that area at their next potty break. And my experience is they don't like to pee and poop in the same place (go figure) so I'd use two seperate areas of the yard. Do you take Baily out on leash, or just let him run free? Just curious bc if he's just let out the back door, he may see it as play time, not potty time. If you are already using a leash, have you tried a pee post or training aid spray? Don't forget treats and praise when he behaves as requested... once the girls learned they got treats for coming back to the door on their own, I stopped having to go out in my jammies to round them up. Re jail break: My experience is that they can be retrained by having them on leash (always a harness, never a collar) to keep them from bolting, and also to help him understand what you expect from him (where he should be when the door is opened, etc.) without you having to raise your voice. I can understand your frustration... we all have different levels of patience, especially at 2am or when cleaning up - or Gforbid stepping in - pee or poop AGAIN. Because Bailey's been through a lot of change over the past several years/months, I'm sure he can't understand why this is happening either... I think it comes down to Bailey understanding what these new expectations are. There are many here who are more experienced in dealing with behavior and health issues, but I wanted to reply bc you just never know when your experiences might be useful to others. I'm glad to hear the daily walks have helped and wish you continued success... please keep up posted on your progress.
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10-14-2011, 07:21 PM | #13 |
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| Buy him a Thunder Shirt if he is having anxiety attack, I am trying this with my 6 lb Sassy, she has seperation anxiety from me and also is a jumper. We are using it in small steps to get her used to the shirt.
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10-15-2011, 08:03 AM | #14 |
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| Back to the seizures, we have had Bailey diagnosed by 3 different vets. From our understanding, Yorkie's are not meant to be bred that small. Keep in mind, Bailey is 7 years old and barely 4 lbs. According to 2 vets, because of the breeding practices, "Teacup" Yorkies can experience serious health issues, seizures being a pretty common occurrence. With respect to the seperation anxiety, he now sits and stares at my girlfriend when I leave, like he used to stare at me when she left. I have now realized that this "terror" that he seems to display is caused by his anxiety. We have decided to take some of the earlier stated advice and leave and come back. Making coming and going less of a stress for him. My GF now understands that giving him praise when coming home, especially when he is going crazy, is actually detrimental to his behavior. On another topic, we have now noticed another behavior. Whether he is sitting in my lap, or hers, if we show affection to one another, he begins to growl at the opposing person. The walks and positive reinforcement have helped with the potty training. |
10-15-2011, 08:16 AM | #15 | |
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If the vet truly thinks it's seizures, then a nerologist may be the best bet for this little guy. Seizures can mean anything from a liver shunt to real neurological problems. But only a specialist and a full blood panel can tell you that. With regards to seperation anxiety, this pup (if you're stating that he was sold as a "teacup") probably came very young from a type of BYB or puppymill. This means lots of behavior stuggles. My dog was from a BYB and we really had to work with the seperation anxiety. We would make leaving for short intervals common. Gizmo is crate trianed, so we would leave a cookie in the crate when we left and would come home, totally calm and take him out. So this is going to be a working progress with the anxiety. I think another member mentioned a thundershirt which is a really good product to help this. The growling with your gf and your interaction is another behavior issue that also probably grew from his past. He wants attention and is protective of those who he trusts. Once again this can be changed into a positive reinforcement. When you're with your gf, get him involved. When my husband and I are on the sofa, I bring Gizmo on the sofa with us. Bring maybe a kong with a cookie in it to keep him occupied so his full attention isn't on you. Good luck and keep us posted.
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