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Old 08-12-2011, 08:08 PM   #1
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Default Jumping and sratching leather couch...

what is the best way to punish? Saying "down" and putting him in the kennel for a min does not work... I was thinking bitter apple spray BUT dont know if it will hurt leather plus he is not chewing it just jumping up against it.
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First, a dog does not understand the concept of a time out. It is IMPOSSIBLE for a dog to "think about what it did". So, first, never use a time out. Also, a kennel or crate should not be used for punishment.

I suggest you read some of Cesar Millan's books or watch his show, "The Dog Whisperer". You can take control of your home and possessions, but you don't need to "punish" the dog.
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Old 08-13-2011, 11:55 AM   #3
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Yes, puppies do not understand "time-outs". They are not children, who have the capability to go into a room and sit and think about what they have done and then come back out and apologize for it. By the time you let them out, they will have no idea why they were in there in the first place.

If you don't want him jumping, I would try keeping him on a leash. "Umbilical cord method" if you will. First, understand that he is a puppy, and you ARE going to have times where he will jump against the leather couch. If you're that worried about it, I wouldn't have gotten a puppy, but in the meantime, yes it can be trained out of him. He just has to learn, he has no idea that what he is doing is wrong.

You could also try saying nicely 'down' or whatever word you want to use... maybe 'off' and at the moment you say it, throw the treat to the other side of the room and praise him. You could teach him 'place' so that he maybe has a little bed or rug of his own to go to.

I personally wouldn't recommend Cesar Milan for an issue as small as this. There is no need for you to "dominate" your dog or turn into it's "alpha" because a dog is jumping against a couch, probably simply wanting attention...

There are a lot of videos about this sort of thing on youtube channel: kikopup's Channel - YouTube
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Old 08-13-2011, 12:14 PM   #4
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Yes, puppies do not understand "time-outs". They are not children, who have the capability to go into a room and sit and think about what they have done and then come back out and apologize for it. By the time you let them out, they will have no idea why they were in there in the first place.

If you don't want him jumping, I would try keeping him on a leash. "Umbilical cord method" if you will. First, understand that he is a puppy, and you ARE going to have times where he will jump against the leather couch. If you're that worried about it, I wouldn't have gotten a puppy, but in the meantime, yes it can be trained out of him. He just has to learn, he has no idea that what he is doing is wrong.

You could also try saying nicely 'down' or whatever word you want to use... maybe 'off' and at the moment you say it, throw the treat to the other side of the room and praise him. You could teach him 'place' so that he maybe has a little bed or rug of his own to go to.

I personally wouldn't recommend Cesar Milan for an issue as small as this. There is no need for you to "dominate" your dog or turn into it's "alpha" because a dog is jumping against a couch, probably simply wanting attention...

There are a lot of videos about this sort of thing on youtube channel: kikopup's Channel - YouTube
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Also how old is your puppy? If they are very young you may just try sitting on the floor with them and playing with them there. Likely, they want your attention and you are on the couch so they want to be too. If you are on the floor- that will be the fun place to be.
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I understand if you don't want your dog on the couch. But I will say that neither my Yorkie or my Westie have ever scratched my leather couches with their nails.
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I suggested that the poster read Cesar Millan because she obviously needs help understanding the psychology of dogs in general. The fact that she thinks she needs to punish her unwitting puppy makes that clear.

It's never too small an issue to assert yourself as the pack leader. If the couch is off limits, then she needs to set the boundary, but she needs to do it in a positive way, not with punishment.
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I actually think it is stupid to put him in his kennel BUT the puppy school he is in told me to do it if after i pushed him back 20 or so times and said down and he did not listen.
I have no problem with him on the couch or asking to get up here with me... I do have a problem with him digging at it like he is trying to tunnel to china lol I just want to figure out how to teach him to ask to get up which I know sounds stupid lol
and FYI... I know he has NO CLUE as to what I am saying.. I do not speak puppy and he does not speak english so it is pretty much like me talking to somebody from another country at this point.
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Nala likes to be on our leather sofa and I don't have a problem with it. She has never damaged it in any way. BUT my daughter left a blanket on the sofa and Nala loves to dig in it while she is getting her "place" ready for a nap. If the blanket is not there she just lays down, she only digs if the blanket is on the sofa. You could try leaving a blanket for your puppy to dig around in and see if that helps. Nala also likes to bury her chews and kibble in the blanket to "save for later".
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Positive training is great, but IMO it does not always work. My dogs like to do their own thing, so they respond pretty well to knowing if they don't knock something off when I give the command, there will be an undesirable consequence.

For instance, I don't want Rylee on the furniture right now. He needs to lean that it is off limits because he is a rowdy beast with sharp nails and it is E's safe place anyway (fair or not, I don't care). So I'm training him to get "OFF" when he puts his paws up there or jumps on people (can't stand anything but the smallest dogs jumping up on people because we have somebody in the family that would get physically hurt by this, etc.). After trying to be firm and telling him "off" like 100 times, and pulling him down by the harness, and telling him good boy when he listened, I realized this ain't working. So I brought a squirt bottle into the scenario (trying to use it when he can't see that I did it) and now he listens 95% of the time even without the water.

Someday he will be allowed up (and now he is if I pick him up and put him on my lap). Then I'll touch him "up". But it will be on invitation only. If I taught both "off" and "up" at the same time, I think he would get confused. I don't want him coming "up" whenever he feels like it. It will be invite only. So we are doing "off" for weeks to months, then I will bring in "up".

I think it's great that so many people can use positive methods only, but I would not be afraid to enforce the rules.
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Old 08-15-2011, 07:43 PM   #10
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That just might be the trick for me the squirt bottle I think I will try that so thank you.
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Make sure to always use the command with it and don't overuse it. Soon you should be able to use the command alone. If you have to drag out the water constantly in a couple weeks, then I'd question the effective (if you are consistent).
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It is absolutely not true that pups do not understand a time out. I have used it successfully in a few cases.

One is a biter that came to me as a feral dog...living in the woods. He was wild...and would attack the other pups when scared. He bit me a few times in the beginning. Whenever he would do something such as attack another pup, I would put a crate right up to him and say "kennel up" .. could have been "time out" or any other words. He would stay for a few minutes and then I would let him out. I had to do that many times...and eventually I graduated to "time out" in the bathroom. It worked! He responded...he quickly figured out that if he did something that was not acceptable, he could not stay with the rest of us. It was kind of cute....after some time, all I had to say was "kennel up" and he would run for a crate or the bathroom. He totally understood!
As for those of you who think that is punishment and they will never like a crate, that is also not true. Matty had surgery this past year on his knee and had to be crated ...and to this day he still goes to the crate to sleep. I have open crates in my home and they all go in them from time to time. I don't believe in "punishment"...I believe that a time out is not punishment, but rather discipline and direction.

I have two females who used to bicker and fight...(they still do once in a blue moon)...I used time out for both of them. One in one room..and the other in another room. It only takes a few minutes. At first they would come out and start again..and I would put them back in their rooms. They got it! Behave and you can stay with the rest of us...don't behave and you can go off to a room by yourself.

Pups love to be with us....removing them when their behavior is unacceptable DOES indeed work. You just have to be consistent.

In the case of the sofa, not so sure it would work for that. I just wanted to comment on all of the remarks made about pups not understanding time outs.
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If the issue is your pup scratching your leather furniture, why not get him booties or something similar? AllDogBoots is a user here on YT that has a pretty good selection. Or maybe cover the seats? One more reason to keep those nails trimmed too. (Just random thoughts here, kinda)

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I really do not mind the begging to join me I know he wants to be with me BUT if I am on my laptop then he wants to play on the keyboard or if I reading he wants to eat what I am reading so it is kinda both I do not want him sratching the leather and I want him to wait a sec he can be with me but not until I am ready to give him my attention.
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I don't know HOW it happened - but my bullheaded Westie is very polite when it comes to getting on the couch. He will stand there and stare at you until you pat the couch and invite him to get up there with you.

Is that fantastic or what? Again, I'm not sure how that happened. I used to watch a lot of episodes of Cesear so maybe I trained him without knowing it?

Really, I just think it's the ONE THING that Ringo is super polite about and I have no idea why.

Lucy has no such self-control when it comes to getting on the couch. As you said, she will climb on your magazine, laptop, kindle - anything that takes attention away from her.
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