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05-23-2011, 12:28 AM | #1 |
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| Help!!Do I need to lose my little Girl to Save Her Life I am at my wits end and my heart is breaking. My little 1 1/2 yr old female (Neesa) is attacking my 6 yr old Husky X with no provocation. He is scared to death of her and is now starting to fight back. She is a 10 lb fury and goes right for his face and has bitten my husband in aboout the worst place possible while being pulled off the Husky. When we were pulling her off him, my extremely mild mannered 7 yr old Rottie (whom Neesa has also attacked), joined in and tried to also attack Neesa. I have read Cesars books, Followed his methods, Hired a behaviorist (at $100 an hour), to no avail. It will feel like she is getting better and then WHAM ! she attacks. Sometimes I can catch the escalation and intervene before the Red Zone, but other times it is out of the blue. She came to us at 5 mths and had an attitude with the Husky from the start. I know that I have loved not wisely but too much and have humanized her. The behaviorist has me being much more strict, no couch, no bed, little overt affection unless she is calm-submissive, more walks, more socialization, crate at night..but her big problem really seems to be the Husky. She is staying with my daughter right now with her 2 large dogs and is not causing any real problems yet? I am scared to death that while I try all these methods to keep her, the day will come when I do not stop the fight in time and she will be hurt or killed. Would an electric collar on vibration help. I would never forgive myself if something happened to her. I so have another little male and the big dogs love him, groom him, etc. What is happening. PLEASE HELP! |
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05-23-2011, 12:36 AM | #2 |
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| Maybe they are both alpha so they are fighting for dominance? I'm not sure how to help you. However, when she attacks, pull her off and pin her down (on the neck) to show that you are alpha. That's how we trained our dog...If she's doing better at your daughters...you could still see her there...Sorry, I'm not much help...
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05-23-2011, 03:58 AM | #3 |
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| Wow, that is a real mess. Are they all spayed / neutered? Have you had them all in for vet checks? How long has this been going on? Is there a certain place where the attacks take happen? Has Neese always been a little scrapper even when playing? |
05-23-2011, 04:35 AM | #4 | |
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For off leash running time the big dogs would come in and I'd take her outside separately and shut the door. So for the next several months I'd completely change her living pattern and make her earn back a place in the family. She'd be very aware that her life was quite restricted as long as she didn't play nice The solution is tons of your time and complete consistency. | |
05-23-2011, 06:10 AM | #5 |
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| I would be careful with Cesar's methods, as the show says, they are not to be performed at home.... He is a great guy, but we have no idea what goes on behind the scenes when the camera is rolling, thus training in that manner without having a consult with him would be incomplete, you may miss something important. Has she ever been to obedience classes for general manners? Maybe some basic training on how to listen to you would help (while she's away from the other dogs) so that you have more control over her when she returns, so that situations do not escalate as much. I'm a big fan of training in a positive manner, I believe you can be strict but there is still a right place for affection. I'll say though, I've never dealt with a problem dog, my only experience is with problem horses. Maybe try a different type of behavioralist, someone who works with positive reinforcement and see if it works. Some animals get angrier when you remove that affection, I'm not saying don't be strict though (it's hard to explain). I would advise you to keep them separated especially if the big ones are starting to fight back, last thing you want is for your well mannered Rottie's instincts to kick in and severely hurt your little one. Take some time to work with her. I would watch her body language carefully, see if her attacks are dominance based or fear based. If she is scared then taking away affection will make it worse, if she is dominant it will take some work to fix. Have you had her all her life? I'm almost leaning towards a fear thing (but I haven't seen it so I couldn't know for sure). My little guy has started snarling at large dogs and it's completely fear based. So I use positive reinforcement and body blocks to protect him and show him that it's my job to keep him safe. Hope something in this ramble helps... Good luck, I believe that there is good in every animal, it just takes the right person and method to fix the problem.
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05-23-2011, 07:53 AM | #6 |
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| I am very sorry this is happening to you all. I am sorry I dont have any good advice for you either, but I do wish you the best in whatever decision you make.
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05-23-2011, 07:56 AM | #7 |
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| Someones going to have to be rehomed her or the husky
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05-23-2011, 08:02 AM | #8 | |
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05-23-2011, 08:48 AM | #9 |
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| If she is fighting for Alpha position, it is because you are not being Alpha enough. I would think both dogs would have been fighting from the beginning though if this is the problem, One thing I've noticed with mine is that they will hold a grudge, and retaliate at a later date, with the dogs or the cats. Did any of the large dogs (esp the husky X) ever step on her or hurt her in any way accidentally? You do need to protect her from that, or she will protect herself. If this is her problem, Cesar is correct when he says that separating the two won't fix it, the problem has to reoccur in order for you to correct her, but it needs to happen in a controlled environment. She will give a signal, whether it's a look, or she becomes very still right before she attacks, and you have to watch her to pick up on it. I would separate them any time you cannot watch her, and have her on leash when you are watching her. Also, praise and treat her when she acts appropriately in his company. Praise the good, interrupt the bad, as soon as you see her signal, before she moves her butt off the floor or couch, you need to be there to interrupt (Ah, ah), block her (stand in front of her and between them), walk towards her to make her move backwards and sit, and maintain this control until she becomes submissive. Then you start all over again. Do this over and over with her on leash, until you are positive your interrupt will stop her. When you first try her off leash, you have to be in a position to protect the Husky X and her. He should also be reprimanded for any threatening moves. You have to really allow time (like a weekend) when you can do the initial training, sitting there and watching for her signals. If you can't see her signals, then this will not work, as you have to act before she moves. If you can do a successful weekend, and have learned her signals and have caught her each time, then you may be successful at stopping this behavior. And your mental attitude has to be that you love her dearly, but this behavior will not be tolerated in this house, ever. If you do not come across to her as this serious, she won't 'get it'. I also found that my dog benefited from more attention from me, as this was part of his problem, he was feeling insecure about the other dogs. He did get possessive on the bed, and still, rarely, will go after one, but he's easy to interrupt now, as we've been doing it for 2 years. I do allow them all on the bed, but only if I am watching him closely. Sadly, he is no longer allowed to sleep on the bed at night bc of this behavior, as I cannot trust him once I fall asleep.
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05-23-2011, 09:12 AM | #10 |
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| crates why not keep her separated in a crate and only take her out by herself. almost like living alone. she can not attack if she's in a cage. and she can't get hurt by the bigger dogs if she's in a cage. that way everyone is safe. |
05-23-2011, 09:57 AM | #11 |
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| I think if you already tried someone to make her change her behaviour and it didn't work you better find a new home for her quick.. if your Husky decides to fight back it will be only once.. I don't think you would be happy as well having to deal with them separated all the time.. or worse.. in cages.. it's not fair for them and it's not fair for you as well.. my mum had 2 yorkies (sisters) that were always fighting to each others... my mum loved both of them and we tried for a long time to make them live in peace and be friends.. well.. it didn't end up nicely.. they were pretending to be friends for a long time and my mum left them together.. one day she was out to the supermarket and on her way back.. one of them was dead... i hope all goes well.. and good luck with your babies.. |
05-23-2011, 10:32 AM | #12 | |
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In your case, I think this 'alpha' nonsense will make things worse. Some dogs will NEVER get along. Especially with terriers, who can be prone to dog aggression. A lot of people who live with larger terriers (like APBT's) actually live with crate & rotate and that's just what they do. It's not something I'd ever personally want to do, but it sounds to be like she would be happy as an only dog, or maybe a smaller male companion?
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05-23-2011, 11:40 AM | #13 |
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| We have had our yorkies (2) since 2 of my schnauzers passed away and at the time we had our 3 schnauzers the little female (about 7 or 8lbs.) tryed to boss the male, which was about twice her size. She tried several times and then one day he picked her up and we ended up having to have her sewn up around the head and eye. We had had him neutered but she was determined she was alpha. After that it helped some, but, the vet told me to NEVER leave them alone with each other. I hope your problem works out, it hurts to have to rehome one because of something like that. It scary to think of one getting hurt or killed too. I don't think he was as hard on her as he could have been, with her being female, but it scared the heck out of me. |
05-23-2011, 12:58 PM | #14 | |
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She is too small to defend herself, and you need to remember, dogs are pack animals, and often, all the dogs will join in & attack one dog, and kill that dog. I know it would be very difficult for you to give her up, but having her killed, is not something you would want. | |
05-23-2011, 01:06 PM | #15 | |
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