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familyof4 · 02-14-2011, 06:26 PM

I have 4 yorkies. Allie 8, Mollie 7, Lacie 7 and Sophie 1 year old. Sophie is constantly jumping Allie and attaching her. She bites her ears and breaks skin. Allie is afraid of her and I have to keep her on the bed, couch etc. so that Sophie will not hurt her. The other 2 Yorkies will fight her off so Sophie does not mess with them, but poor Allie is so afraid. Because of the situation Sophie has her own kennel and the other 3 stay together in another. I had hoped that they all would able to be together eventually. I do not want to get rid of Sophie but I don't know how to stop the agression. Does anyone have any suggestions? They all have been spayed as puppies. Should I consider using a wired muzzle on Sophie to help train her not to bite? idk what to do. I love them all so much. Help!

peachesmom1sc · 02-14-2011, 08:05 PM

i have a 18 month lil one that is doing the same thing to my older one who is 11 years old and she will not fight her back and she is more Aggressive in the early morning at first potty she fights all the way off the porch been picking up my older one and not leting her down any where near where porscha is potting does not bother mee ling pekingese just 8 months old

diannenet · 02-14-2011, 08:38 PM

I have an issues every now and then of Toby "attacking" Speedy when I let them outside and the way I curbed that was to hold back the "aggressive" one and let the other one go out first. Toby is doing a lot better now and depending on his energy level makes a difference as to whether he attacks or not. When they go out first thing in the morning he doesn't try to attack and when I hold him back and make him go out last, he doesn't try to attack then either. He's come a LONG way over the past year. I will just continue to work with him.

Brunette114 · 02-20-2011, 08:01 AM

Omg!! I am having the same problem my yorkie who is a yr old his name is scrappy not biting but nipping at my older c-lo who is 7 yrs old. Scrappy wants to be the first one outside to go potty, I have to tie up scrappy when they eat because he will eat his foods n push c- lo to eat his. If scrappy sees. C-lo playing with toys he will run over there n take the toys away from c-lo, it's so frustrating. But then again their are times which it has happened that c- lo has had enough n will attack scrappy n bite him n scrappy will run away . It's like c- lo is telling scrappy leave me the hell alone!!!!

luvinMYgirlz · 02-21-2011, 04:02 PM

well im no expert but wen it happends remove sophie not allie because if u remove allie from the situation she becomes more affraid she will think that u too believe she is the weaker one
n sophie will then c allie as the weaker one because she is needin ur protection
hope this is makin sence to u its a dog thing. think of kids if this were happenin to 1 of ur human children u wouldnt just ignore the bully would u?
hope this helps

manolos mom · 02-21-2011, 05:05 PM

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Originally Posted by luvinMYgirlz

well im no expert but wen it happends remove sophie not allie because if u remove allie from the situation she becomes more affraid she will think that u too believe she is the weaker one
n sophie will then c allie as the weaker one because she is needin ur protection
hope this is makin sence to u its a dog thing. think of kids if this were happenin to 1 of ur human children u wouldnt just ignore the bully would u?
hope this helps

Are all your females fixed? If not this could also cause aggression. Good Luck and welcome to YT....I live 20 min from you....

Sandysbabies · 02-21-2011, 07:57 PM

Hi there and I also live very close to you. I have a problem with Dudley (4lb. stud muffin, he thinks. lol!!) He does not like Tina. She is a tiny schnauzer which is 13yrs. old. He jumps at her when she walks by or eats. He is so little, I just pick him up and tell him no, no. Of course it doesn't work. But I wonder if its because they are older and maybe these little ones pick on them because they are older and don't get around like they did. Don't know, but we are trying to work through it.

DreamsComeTrue · 02-22-2011, 10:09 AM

With more than 2 dogs, you will see more pack behavior. You need to assert that you are the pack leader and not allow any of the dogs to be. Difficult to do and takes time, but you need to correct her every time she gets aggressive in any way. I make a loud noise to distract them and hold the aggressive one down on her back until she calms down, just like an alpha would. Dog Whisperer might have other ideas that work too.

Ringo1 · 02-22-2011, 12:10 PM

The alpha roll is quite controversial and some think it does more harm than good - food for thought.

I can tell you it only made my dominant, male Westie more aggressive.

When we first brought Lucy home and Ringo would try to pounce on her or be aggressive ~ he had to go into another room for a while. Not for long; but each time, we would remove him from the situation. He quickly figured it out. Not his crate either - because we didn't want him to associate his crate with punishment - just another room where he was not part of the family for a little while.

Now ~ I tried not to intervene as much as possible because that's what everyone told me to do. BUT, I also didn't think it was fair for Lucy to be afraid all the time that Ringo would pounce on her. Never, ever was any blood drawn - that is when you MUST step in and be the leader.

Consider having a trainer come in and observe the interactions in your 'pack'.

concretegurl · 02-23-2011, 05:23 AM

Here's what I've done with my dogs...

I do doggy time out here removing the trouble maker...when someone is out of hand (it's always Princess) she gets put in the other room for up to 2 minutes at most (usually 30 seconds to 1 min as dogs have the attention span of a toddler). Never crate-it makes it a cage, that leads to many other problems, another room where they can't see you-they are removed and can relax too.

Then they get to rejoin the pack and try it again...at the first sign of aggression they are given a command "no" or "stop" "be nice" no response from them, they are removed instantly ...over and over and over...once the command is obeyed a positive reinforcement is given, be it petting, praise, or scratching of her spot or a treat etc.

Then again we don't have anywhere near that extreme, Princess just likes to bite Elvis' beard hairs and pull him or hump him or push with her paws in dominant behavior displays...she does bite Scoobers legs, and they all wrestle and 'fight' but none of mine have ever broken each others skin either...or actually fear each other.

I had to use a soft muzzle for forced socialization with aggressive behavior due to fear aggression, once before a long while ago...are you okay with, can you use a soft muzzle on her to show her she can't bite and needs to play nice?

It's a last resort for a first step-every time she attempts to bite it goes on. I'd be hesitant to do it unless they really can't be together without Soph attacking Allie every time, and only when everything else has failed, never leave a soft muzzle on for long periods. It goes on when biting starts for a couple minutes then it comes off over and over...we also used it for grooming with a fear aggressive nipper...but again it can be too much of a crutch thing and doesn't really stop the behavior...it just makes training safer in extreme situations.

I did it to take my dog to the dog park, and because he was nippy and I had children around...and to groomers, whom he bit, we used it at home after that to train for grooming so he could go back to a groomer. Now he's the most social friendly guy ever. I had to be really careful not to rely on the soft muzzle though it was just like a time out, quick and then done and try it all over again...

I'm so sorry you are having to go through this, and poor Allie too, and have to debate re-homing. Stopping the behavior immediately has been the most important, things like having dogs altered helps immensely, and making sure everyone gets equal attention and enough exercise for their energy level can make a huge difference and stop all this in the immediate. I never crate any of my dogs together...they all have their own crates, but we don't even shut the door here now they are their night beds...they do share a large play pen-but everyone has their own bed in it.

02-14-2011, 06:26 PM	#1
familyof4 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Mesquite, TX Posts: 5	Agressive one year old yorkie bites older yorkie I have 4 yorkies. Allie 8, Mollie 7, Lacie 7 and Sophie 1 year old. Sophie is constantly jumping Allie and attaching her. She bites her ears and breaks skin. Allie is afraid of her and I have to keep her on the bed, couch etc. so that Sophie will not hurt her. The other 2 Yorkies will fight her off so Sophie does not mess with them, but poor Allie is so afraid. Because of the situation Sophie has her own kennel and the other 3 stay together in another. I had hoped that they all would able to be together eventually. I do not want to get rid of Sophie but I don't know how to stop the agression. Does anyone have any suggestions? They all have been spayed as puppies. Should I consider using a wired muzzle on Sophie to help train her not to bite? idk what to do. I love them all so much. Help! Last edited by familyof4; 02-14-2011 at 06:28 PM. Reason: add more text

02-14-2011, 08:05 PM	#2
peachesmom1sc YT Addict Join Date: May 2010 Location: south carolina Posts: 428	i have a 18 month lil one that is doing the same thing to my older one who is 11 years old and she will not fight her back and she is more Aggressive in the early morning at first potty she fights all the way off the porch been picking up my older one and not leting her down any where near where porscha is potting does not bother mee ling pekingese just 8 months old __________________ mom to my lil one Porscha nothing in the world like a yorkie kiss first thing in the morning... now mommy to Mee Ling the most darlin lil ( BIG ) pekingese

02-14-2011, 08:38 PM	#3
diannenet Donating YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: St. Louis, MO Posts: 1,363	I have an issues every now and then of Toby "attacking" Speedy when I let them outside and the way I curbed that was to hold back the "aggressive" one and let the other one go out first. Toby is doing a lot better now and depending on his energy level makes a difference as to whether he attacks or not. When they go out first thing in the morning he doesn't try to attack and when I hold him back and make him go out last, he doesn't try to attack then either. He's come a LONG way over the past year. I will just continue to work with him. __________________ *Dianne Toby Speedy*

02-21-2011, 04:02 PM	#5
luvinMYgirlz Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: rosenberg,texas Posts: 73	well im no expert but wen it happends remove sophie not allie because if u remove allie from the situation she becomes more affraid she will think that u too believe she is the weaker one n sophie will then c allie as the weaker one because she is needin ur protection hope this is makin sence to u its a dog thing. think of kids if this were happenin to 1 of ur human children u wouldnt just ignore the bully would u? hope this helps __________________ Jewelry mommy to Precious,Princess,Sophie,and Tyler the man of the house...

02-22-2011, 10:09 AM	#8
DreamsComeTrue Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Boise Posts: 219	With more than 2 dogs, you will see more pack behavior. You need to assert that you are the pack leader and not allow any of the dogs to be. Difficult to do and takes time, but you need to correct her every time she gets aggressive in any way. I make a loud noise to distract them and hold the aggressive one down on her back until she calms down, just like an alpha would. Dog Whisperer might have other ideas that work too. __________________ Lisa loves Harley and Bella

02-20-2011, 08:01 AM	#4
Brunette114 YorkieTalk Newbie! Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Scotchtown ny Posts: 2	Omg!! I am having the same problem my yorkie who is a yr old his name is scrappy not biting but nipping at my older c-lo who is 7 yrs old. Scrappy wants to be the first one outside to go potty, I have to tie up scrappy when they eat because he will eat his foods n push c- lo to eat his. If scrappy sees. C-lo playing with toys he will run over there n take the toys away from c-lo, it's so frustrating. But then again their are times which it has happened that c- lo has had enough n will attack scrappy n bite him n scrappy will run away . It's like c- lo is telling scrappy leave me the hell alone!!!!

02-21-2011, 07:57 PM	#7
Sandysbabies YT 2000 Club Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Dallas, Texas Posts: 2,234	Hi there and I also live very close to you. I have a problem with Dudley (4lb. stud muffin, he thinks. lol!!) He does not like Tina. She is a tiny schnauzer which is 13yrs. old. He jumps at her when she walks by or eats. He is so little, I just pick him up and tell him no, no. Of course it doesn't work. But I wonder if its because they are older and maybe these little ones pick on them because they are older and don't get around like they did. Don't know, but we are trying to work through it.

02-22-2011, 12:10 PM	#9
Ringo1 Ringo (1) and Lucy too! Donating Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: On the Edge of Glory Posts: 3,447	The alpha roll is quite controversial and some think it does more harm than good - food for thought. I can tell you it only made my dominant, male Westie more aggressive. When we first brought Lucy home and Ringo would try to pounce on her or be aggressive ~ he had to go into another room for a while. Not for long; but each time, we would remove him from the situation. He quickly figured it out. Not his crate either - because we didn't want him to associate his crate with punishment - just another room where he was not part of the family for a little while. Now ~ I tried not to intervene as much as possible because that's what everyone told me to do. BUT, I also didn't think it was fair for Lucy to be afraid all the time that Ringo would pounce on her. Never, ever was any blood drawn - that is when you MUST step in and be the leader. Consider having a trainer come in and observe the interactions in your 'pack'. __________________ Mommy to Lucy, Ringo, and Matthew Last edited by Ringo1; 02-22-2011 at 12:11 PM.

02-23-2011, 05:23 AM	#10
concretegurl Between♥Suspensions Donating Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Vaissades Posts: 7,979	Here's what I've done with my dogs... I do doggy time out here removing the trouble maker...when someone is out of hand (it's always Princess) she gets put in the other room for up to 2 minutes at most (usually 30 seconds to 1 min as dogs have the attention span of a toddler). Never crate-it makes it a cage, that leads to many other problems, another room where they can't see you-they are removed and can relax too. Then they get to rejoin the pack and try it again...at the first sign of aggression they are given a command "no" or "stop" "be nice" no response from them, they are removed instantly ...over and over and over...once the command is obeyed a positive reinforcement is given, be it petting, praise, or scratching of her spot or a treat etc. Then again we don't have anywhere near that extreme, Princess just likes to bite Elvis' beard hairs and pull him or hump him or push with her paws in dominant behavior displays...she does bite Scoobers legs, and they all wrestle and 'fight' but none of mine have ever broken each others skin either...or actually fear each other. I had to use a soft muzzle for forced socialization with aggressive behavior due to fear aggression, once before a long while ago...are you okay with, can you use a soft muzzle on her to show her she can't bite and needs to play nice? It's a last resort for a first step-every time she attempts to bite it goes on. I'd be hesitant to do it unless they really can't be together without Soph attacking Allie every time, and only when everything else has failed, never leave a soft muzzle on for long periods. It goes on when biting starts for a couple minutes then it comes off over and over...we also used it for grooming with a fear aggressive nipper...but again it can be too much of a crutch thing and doesn't really stop the behavior...it just makes training safer in extreme situations. I did it to take my dog to the dog park, and because he was nippy and I had children around...and to groomers, whom he bit, we used it at home after that to train for grooming so he could go back to a groomer. Now he's the most social friendly guy ever. I had to be really careful not to rely on the soft muzzle though it was just like a time out, quick and then done and try it all over again... I'm so sorry you are having to go through this, and poor Allie too, and have to debate re-homing. Stopping the behavior immediately has been the most important, things like having dogs altered helps immensely, and making sure everyone gets equal attention and enough exercise for their energy level can make a huge difference and stop all this in the immediate. I never crate any of my dogs together...they all have their own crates, but we don't even shut the door here now they are their night beds...they do share a large play pen-but everyone has their own bed in it. Last edited by concretegurl; 02-23-2011 at 05:25 AM.