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Old 06-03-2010, 03:25 AM   #1
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Default How do you know when Crate Training isn't going to work?

My little faith is 10 weeks old. We have been crating her while I am at work. I work a full time job but have been heading home every 2 hours to let her out to potty since I work real close to home. She has been having accidents every day in her crate. Even after going potty before I put her in there each time. Is this just part of the learning process? I am wondering how you know crate training isn't going to work for your dog. My oldest Yorkie wasn't potty trained for a few months but he did not have this many accidents in his crate.

She has no bedding in the crate or towels in there. I have a divider up so she does not have much room so when she goes she is force to be right on it.

Any advice? Do I just need to have patience and give it some time?

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I'm no expert and I've posted this before (and somebody shot me down), but I tried the same thing with my oldest yorkie when she was a baby and it didn't work. She was absolutely terrified of being left alone in the crate, even though she slept in it every night. She had the runs and would jump it across the floor. I finally gave in at about 4-5 months (tired of bathing her and cleaning the crate) and started putting her in my family room with my pek while we were away. It is puppy proofed and has puppy gates. It worked fine for me and she never had another accident when we left the house (even for 4-5 hours). She just needed the company of my pek. A lot of people crate their pups when they are away and it works; for me it didn't. Good luck and I hope it works out!
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I had great success with crate training my first pup and not so much with the second. She is 1 year and still stays in her crate while we are gone and sleeps in there at night. Even now, she will occasionally have accidents, pee pee. I do put bedding in there so it feels comfy to them and hopefully discourages the urge to soil the comfy place they stay in.
I can't leave her out. Crating her is as much for her safety, as for my sanity.
Good Luck to you, I know this is a difficult task to tackle.

It does take some time and and TON of patience. LOL Where is your crate? I kept mine in the living room, where we spend most of the time. I didn't want them to feel as though the crate was punishment.

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I'm no expert and I've posted this before (and somebody shot me down), but I tried the same thing with my oldest yorkie when she was a baby and it didn't work. She was absolutely terrified of being left alone in the crate, even though she slept in it every night. She had the runs and would jump it across the floor. I finally gave in at about 4-5 months (tired of bathing her and cleaning the crate) and started putting her in my family room with my pek while we were away. It is puppy proofed and has puppy gates. It worked fine for me and she never had another accident when we left the house (even for 4-5 hours). She just needed the company of my pek. A lot of people crate their pups when they are away and it works; for me it didn't. Good luck and I hope it works out!
Thanks for sharing your experience. I wil not give up yet On crating but if in some time ah continues to mess while in it then I'll have to consider putting her in a hallway with a baby gate.
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If my baby was only having accidents in the crate I think I would continue with it. At 10 weeks your baby is still very young and if not with momma, a crate is the safest place while you are away. With consisntency she will begin to understand the routine and time schedules. I have only had one that didn't ever accept a crate, and that is my baby Mylee. But, she stressed herself so severely in the crate that I was concerned for her health and safety. She literally panted to the point of drenching herself in saliva, so it was not the accidents in the crate that made me give up on it. I leave her out with my other dog now and she still gets nervous when we leave, but is more content to accept it.

Oh, and I would give your baby a towel or a bed. If she is urinating, she is standing in that and it can be irritating to the skin or feet, and even to breath in ammonia continuously can be irritating to the lungs if your crate is the closed in kind. Bedding will soak it up and help keep it away from her skin. Just have to plan a load of laundry every day.

Overall, I just think you need to be patient and keep working with her since she is still very little.
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My little faith is 10 weeks old. We have been crating her while I am at work. I work a full time job but have been heading home every 2 hours to let her out to potty since I work real close to home. She has been having accidents every day in her crate. Even after going potty before I put her in there each time. Is this just part of the learning process? I am wondering how you know crate training isn't going to work for your dog. My oldest Yorkie wasn't potty trained for a few months but he did not have this many accidents in his crate.

She has no bedding in the crate or towels in there. I have a divider up so she does not have much room so when she goes she is force to be right on it.Any advice? Do I just need to have patience and give it some time?

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I'm very concerned that you are keeping you dog in a crate with no bedding or towels. At 10 weeks old most yorkies are with their mommies, who nudge them over to a pee pad. Keeping your baby warm, dry and safe should be a priority not training at this age. If she can't hold it for 2 hours, she can't hold it. Some people take them out every hour, it's never the dog's fault, and they should always have bedding. A dog can hold it longer during the night than it can during the day. You are trying to train through punishment, and this will surely backfire. A better option would to be to place her in an x-pen with several pee pads and bedding. Crate training should only be attempted when you can take them out every hour, and you gradually increase the time.
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I'm no expert and I've posted this before (and somebody shot me down), but I tried the same thing with my oldest yorkie when she was a baby and it didn't work. She was absolutely terrified of being left alone in the crate, even though she slept in it every night. She had the runs and would jump it across the floor. I finally gave in at about 4-5 months (tired of bathing her and cleaning the crate) and started putting her in my family room with my pek while we were away. It is puppy proofed and has puppy gates. It worked fine for me and she never had another accident when we left the house (even for 4-5 hours). She just needed the company of my pek. A lot of people crate their pups when they are away and it works; for me it didn't. Good luck and I hope it works out!
I brought my first pup home at 13 weeks old and he was about 3 pounds. He would have gone nuts if I had tried crating him. The xpen and piddle pad worked perfectly for him. He graduated to having a safe room to stay in fairly quickly. The Maxman excelled in potty training; it's his specialty.

Crate training works for some pups, but crates should never be used as babysitters for more than 3-4 hours a day -- if I recall correctly, that is what my breeder wrote in the instructions she gave me.
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I brought my first pup home at 13 weeks old and he was about 3 pounds. He would have gone nuts if I had tried crating him. The xpen and piddle pad worked perfectly for him. He graduated to having a safe room to stay in fairly quickly. The Maxman excelled in potty training; it's his specialty.

Crate training works for some pups, but crates should never be used as babysitters for more than 3-4 hours a day -- if I recall correctly, that is what my breeder wrote in the instructions she gave me.
She's only using it for 2 hours at a time, but this is still too long for a 10 week old puppy, if they have an accident, then you know you waited too long. They will do everything in the power to hold it and not soil their bedding.
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I'm very concerned that you are keeping you dog in a crate with no bedding or towels. At 10 weeks old most yorkies are with their mommies, who nudge them over to a pee pad. Keeping your baby warm, dry and safe should be a priority not training at this age. If she can't hold it for 2 hours, she can't hold it. Some people take them out every hour, it's never the dog's fault, and they should always have bedding. A dog can hold it longer during the night than it can during the day. You are trying to train through punishment, and this will surely backfire. A better option would to be to place her in an x-pen with several pee pads and bedding. Crate training should only be attempted when you can take them out every hour, and you gradually increase the time.
I can't tell you how strongly I agree with Nancy! That poor baby needs to stay warm and cuddle up to something while you are gone. You said you were thinking about putting a gate up in the hallway - PLEASE do. Put the crate (with bedding) in there too and your little one can use it for naps. If you put lots of peepads down he will learn to use them in emergencies. Is there someone near you that can come and check on him and take him outside when you can't? Could you maybe take a week or two off from work to bond and take him out every hour on the hour?
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It makes me sad to think of this baby in a crate with no blankets or bed and no place to pee, except on herself. At 10 weeks, her bladder is probably about the size of a small marble and she can't be expected to hold it for so long. When my yorkies were small, I used a playpen which had enough room for a bed and blanket, food and water, and a pee pad. They never once went on anything but the pee pad while in there. Maybe you could take the divider out of your crate and put a bed in there and a pee pad in the extra area. I bet she would no longer pee on herself. She is likely feeling very insecure in the crate while you are away, with nothing to comfort her.
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I crate trained my Maddie. When she was really little, I had a bed in the crate along with a pee pad (it is a larger wire crate). When they are that little they are still learning and will continue to have accidents. You may even be seeing pee because she got excited when you walked in (which would explain it being there even after she went outside). My Maddie also slept in this crate in our bedroom at night (she still does even though the door is left open all night now). When I consistantly came home to find the pee pad dry, I picked up the pad and put the wire divider up so that the crate was only large enough for her bed. If I knew I was going to be gone longer than I had ever seen the pad stay dry, I took it down and put the pad back in for that time and then put it back in.

This worked well for us because I work out of town but had daughters at home that were able to come in from school at lunch and then again straight away after school. My Maddie is now 2 1/2 and has the run of the house and hasn't had an accident in a long time. If we are going to be gone for the day shopping, or whatever, I still put her in her crate, but the divider is gone. Her bed is in there and the other size is full of toys and chews and she has never had an accident in her crate.
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She's only using it for 2 hours at a time, but this is still too long for a 10 week old puppy, if they have an accident, then you know you waited too long. They will do everything in the power to hold it and not soil their bedding.
I strongly agree with you -- and your earlier post regarding bedding, etc.

I should have indicated that I was referring to general crate use when a dog is much older than 10 weeks.
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Nancy1999 and others have given very good advice that should be helpful to you. Yorkies are known for being hard to housetrain, so be really patient.

I didn't crate train any of mine, used a playpen at first then an x-pen and pads cause they'd pee every half hour the first month or so. However, crate training does work well if done right.

This pup is too young and has a very tiny bladder, so leaving her in a crate beyond her ability to hold she is going to have to potty, and she just might get used to being in her own pee etc. and become even harder to train. Just my opinion, but I'd be concentrating on creating a cozy bed area with a separate area (pad) for potty.
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I really believe in crate training. I find that it does take them time to get used to it, but it's so beneficial in the end! We've had a few terriers and have a Yorkie now, and we noticed that if they are given free reign to sleep on our bed or lay on our bed, the chances of them not liking their bed goes up.

I'm realizing that with Yorkies, consistency is the best. It does take a lot of work, but Mr. Gibbs loves to sleep in his bed now! He has two blankets that we swap, and he loves how soft and fluffy they are - I think it reminds him of our bed. Our only problem is his marking.

Keep it up, it'll be worth it in the end!
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Nancy1999 and others have given very good advice that should be helpful to you. Yorkies are known for being hard to housetrain, so be really patient.

I didn't crate train any of mine, used a playpen at first then an x-pen and pads cause they'd pee every half hour the first month or so. However, crate training does work well if done right.

This pup is too young and has a very tiny bladder, so leaving her in a crate beyond her ability to hold she is going to have to potty, and she just might get used to being in her own pee etc. and become even harder to train. Just my opinion, but I'd be concentrating on creating a cozy bed area with a separate area (pad) for potty.
Yes, I agree, I think crate training is easier to accomplish overnight because they can hold it a little longer. I found it easier to use an x-pen during the day, and just crate train overnight, he was able to hold it three hours, and I placed him on a pee pad during the night, and then back in his crate with warm bedding. If you don't have an x-pen, many people just place the dog in a bathroom with bedding/crate and pee pads, and allow the dog to train itself.

This link has some excellent advice on crate training and other methods of housebreaking. Crate Training Your Puppy or Adult Dog. You will notice that a 10 week old puppy can only hold it an hour. You are suppose to take it out of the crate, place the dog on the pad or outside, and wait for it to go, if it doesn't go within a couple of minutes, you place it back in the crate, and wait another 10 or so minutes and try again. If it to goes this time, you praise it and allow it free time to play outside the crate. Then back in the crate for another hour. So you see crate training is done with you being home all the time.
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