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Old 02-24-2010, 11:40 AM   #1
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I started taking Maggie to Basic 1 training classes at the SPCA. The trainer has me sit on the floor next to her during training. At class 2, one of the big labs (with his owner on the other end of the leash) came over to me and Maggie, she was sitting in my lap as class had not started. The lab then started snarling and growling at us. I picked up Maggie and flipped on my back as I thought that was the best way to protect her. I wound up with a 3 inch gash on my left hand from the dogs claws. I thought Maggie was ok until last night. I was feeling of her and found where a chunk of hair was missing and she also has a fairly good size gash. Maggie does not cry or yelp when she is hurt, I don't know why but she doesn't. I have emailed the trainer but he has yet to get back with me. I thought this would be a positive experience for Maggie to teach her some basic commands that I have not taught her. I feel so bad that she was hurt and I did not know it. But I am especially pi$$ed at the man with the black lab. I don't know if we will go back.
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I am very sorry to hear about that. It had to be terrifying. Yes, I think you have every right to be upset. If he cannot control his dog he should not be going up to anyone for a greet and meet until he is very certain he knows exactly how his dog will react. Is your baby ok?
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I think you have every right to be ticked! I don't know why they'd think it's ok to have a big dog with a little dog. Do they train by age? Usually you have kidz of similar age in class together.
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I think you have every right to be ticked! I don't know why they'd think it's ok to have a big dog with a little dog. Do they train by age? Usually you have kidz of similar age in class together.
I agree.... they shouldn't have been grouped together for this reason. The lab probably wasn't trying to do harm, but due to the weight and size difference, did. I'd be upset too...
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I don't knpw where you went but I went to PetCo when Buddy was 6mos old.
Thinking I was doing the best for him but it was just a waste of money.
There were more large dogs than little one. Sure they were puppies 6 & 7
mos old but a german shepard, lab and other large dogs are just too big
for yorkies and other small breeds. One little boy was there with his
little jack russel and he never came back with his mother for the future
classes.
They really should put large pups together and small pups together.
Glad your not really hurt or your baby but even that should have never
happened at a training class. I would request a refund and go elsewhere.
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I don't blame you for being upset. I would for sure let the trainer know what happened and that you are upset and I would either have the owner of the dog or Petco pay for a vet exam on Maggie. that is not right to have little ones with big dogs. In our class the trainer broke it into 2 smaller classes and while I had the smallest dogs each time, I felt very safe as the instructor always watched out for my 2. She would keep us away from the bigger dogs...and when it was time for a meet and greet, she always took the bigger dogs and showed how she expected them to act and she used mine as examples. I think that this was her way controlling them. But when I say bigger dogs, I mean like a 20 lbs.

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If class had not started, it is not the fault of the trainer or the class. I have been to many training classes with large and small dogs together.

I once had an issue before a class. I had a foster that was a bit nippy and scared and everyone in the class new it. The trainer took appropriate steps for all; and informed everyone to avoid letting their pups approach others. The night that there was an issue, a woman walked in the room where everyone was gathering and her large bloodhound puppy came charging....now mind you he was on a leash..and she allowed it. Her pup got bit by mine and she threw a hissy fit. Stupid woman had no control of her own pup.

Sounds like a similar situation. It is very hard to know how to handle it. I would say that if you are uncomfortable with how the trainer addressed it after it happened, do not go back. .
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If class had not started, it is not the fault of the trainer or the class. I have been to many training classes with large and small dogs together.

I once had an issue before a class. I had a foster that was a bit nippy and scared and everyone in the class new it. The trainer took appropriate steps for all; and informed everyone to avoid letting their pups approach others. The night that there was an issue, a woman walked in the room where everyone was gathering and her large bloodhound puppy came charging....now mind you he was on a leash..and she allowed it. Her pup got bit by mine and she threw a hissy fit. Stupid woman had no control of her own pup.

Sounds like a similar situation. It is very hard to know how to handle it. I would say that if you are uncomfortable with how the trainer addressed it after it happened, do not go back. .
We did not approach the other dog. The owner of the other dog approached us. The trainer had not said anything about letting the dogs mingle but I knew I wasn't going to let Maggie mingle with the other dogs as she was the smallest and I had no idea of the temperment of the other dogs. The trainer had put people in certain corners of the room and that was where we were to stay, so I thought. I didn't throw a fit as I thought the other owner was stupid since I was the one bleeding everywhere. Had I known at the time Maggie had gotten hurt I would have thrown a fit. The guy should have kept his dog on his side of the room. In my opinion unless he does other training with his dog he can look for this dog to be the neighborhood terror.
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We did not approach the other dog. The owner of the other dog approached us. The trainer had not said anything about letting the dogs mingle but I knew I wasn't going to let Maggie mingle with the other dogs as she was the smallest and I had no idea of the temperment of the other dogs. The trainer had put people in certain corners of the room and that was where we were to stay, so I thought. I didn't throw a fit as I thought the other owner was stupid since I was the one bleeding everywhere. Had I known at the time Maggie had gotten hurt I would have thrown a fit. The guy should have kept his dog on his side of the room. In my opinion unless he does other training with his dog he can look for this dog to be the neighborhood terror.
Oh, I know that you did not approach. I was just sharing my story about what happened to me. I was simply saying that people in those classes do NOT listen to trainers. Many people who go to them have no control of their dogs and do not listen to the trainer. A trainer is merely showing people how to train their dogs....clearly this man has not learned anything yet. YES, the trainer did assign to certain places for a reason, but clearly this man did not pay attention...and YES he should have kept his dog away from yours.

BUT...I must say that if that trainer did not talk about how to introduce dogs in the first class, I believe he is not one to go to. People in that class should have been told from DAY ONE how to keep their dogs away from others and how to properly introduce. Letting your dog charge up to another is just wrong...no matter the size. And..yes, the man is doubly stupid given yours is so small.

I say....tell the trainer and then go somewhere else; but ask them how they run their classes first.
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BUT...I must say that if that trainer did not talk about how to introduce dogs in the first class, I believe he is not one to go to. People in that class should have been told from DAY ONE how to keep their dogs away from others and how to properly introduce. Letting your dog charge up to another is just wrong...no matter the size. And..yes, the man is doubly stupid given yours is so small.

I say....tell the trainer and then go somewhere else; but ask them how they run their classes first.[/QUOTE]


You are right about the trainer...he made no mention about introducing the dogs or whether it should be done. He didn't say anything after this incident either. I was surprised that he did not at least tell everyone to keep their dogs on their side of the room. You are right again, I will ask how the classes are run. I know PetsMart does not particularly like the small dogs in their training classes. I somehow thought the SPCA would be different. Live and learn but I didn't want Maggie to have to learn that way.
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I don't knpw where you went but I went to PetCo when Buddy was 6mos old.
Thinking I was doing the best for him but it was just a waste of money.
There were more large dogs than little one. Sure they were puppies 6 & 7
mos old but a german shepard, lab and other large dogs are just too big
for yorkies and other small breeds. One little boy was there with his
little jack russel and he never came back with his mother for the future
classes.
They really should put large pups together and small pups together.
Glad your not really hurt or your baby but even that should have never
happened at a training class. I would request a refund and go elsewhere.

Similar thing happened to us. We brought him home at 16 weeks so we were too old for "puppy K" and went into basic training. He was 4lbs then and all the dogs were bigger than him even if they were 8 weeks old. The owners laughed and I'm not sure if they thought it was funny or if they just had NO control of their dogs but they'd let them run over and greet all the dogs without asking if it was ok. (I always ask if it's ok to say Hi and he's 8 lbs.) There were goldens, big labs, mixed large breeds and I think one Scottish Terrior. We were told NOT to hold him in our lap bc we were "feeding into" his shaking and not letting him self soothe. My husband and I listened to the trainer and put Chase on the floor. The large dog (60 lbs) next to us (meaning no harm I'm sure) swatted at Chase with his huge paw. I really think he was playing but my husband reacted unbelieveably fast and blocked Chase from being swatted with his hand. Let me tell you...there was a bruise on his hand the following day and I'm sure that he saved Chase from getting hurt. Needless to say...Chase was either in on our laps or on the floor with a GOOD distance between the other large dogs. You are a very good mother and I am so very sorry this happened to you. Do you think that you should take your baby to get checked out by the vet or am I overreacting? Poor thing.
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You are right about the trainer...he made no mention about introducing the dogs or whether it should be done. He didn't say anything after this incident either. I was surprised that he did not at least tell everyone to keep their dogs on their side of the room. You are right again, I will ask how the classes are run. I know PetsMart does not particularly like the small dogs in their training classes. I somehow thought the SPCA would be different. Live and learn but I didn't want Maggie to have to learn that way.
That is just unbelievable. Bad enough he did not tell people at first....but, then to ignore what happened is ridiculous.

I am sorry you and Maggie had to experience that.

There are good trainers out there......but, like anything else, you have to "kiss a lot of toads"...

Definitely ask a LOT of questions if you decide to try another place. I used to know a good trainer in this area, but he moved. I can ask some of my rescue pals if anyone knows of someone good in your area.
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I would be very upset. I went to Petco and my trainer gave me the choice of private lessons with one less class (5 instead of 6), and he said working with other dogs for socialization is overrated. He also made some comments about small and big dogs in the same class. Often during the class he will use other dogs and people walking around the store to demo things for me.

I also don't understand what you were doing on the floor. My trainer told me to stand up straight when giving Ruger commands. I do get on the floor when playing with Ruger, but when teaching him stuff I always stand up now. I only bend over to give him treats.

Ruger gets plenty of socialization in the park and around the neighborhood, so why push it in a class?
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