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Old 03-27-2009, 07:38 PM   #1
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Just wanted to reiterate that I'd gladly take any amount of bashing to get my girlfriend's dog trained so that SHE can be happy with him. My happiness comes from the smile on her face which comes from the dog.

I'm not a Yorkie owner, but probably will be in another year by marriage. I didn't have anything to do with letting him and the cat destroy the apartment - she did. I've been disgusted with the carpet and I'm the one attempting to help the situation. I wouldn't have bought a dog without training him and I wouldn't own a cat who did what it did.

I found out yesterday that she's never housebroken a dog despite being a previous Yorkie owner. She has less knowledge about dogs than me (I've housebroken 3 dogs - all within 6 months). I believe her when she tells me that she never intended for the apartment to get to the state its in and is disgusted with it now. She claims that she wants to change all of it and that's all I wanted to hear from her - that she thinks the apartment is filthy and wants to make an effort to train HER dog. I also told her that as much as she loves her dog that he should be taken out every 3 hours if for nothing else the comfort of her precious angel.

While I don't appreciate some of the nasty things said about me around here, I really don't care about myself or my feelings. I want a SANITARY living environment AND a HAPPY girlfriend with her dog for the benefit of my girlfriend and the dog. This is a means to that end. As soon as I get a day off I'm going to be the one paying to have HER carpet cleaned.

I'm still attempting to get her online here (I need to get her a better internet connection) and get her to read the books I bought over a month ago. I'm hopeful she'll be responsible with the dog this weekend while I'm flying. She pledged to me that she'd start taking her dog out every 3 hours. She also promised to restrict his movement so that he can't run off and pee out of sight. She's open to bell training him which will probably start as soon as I can get a day off work which is usually a weekend every 3 weeks (There's a war on that needs fighting - actually there's 2).

As for the dog... I drove to her apartment from work today for the sole reason of letting him out before I drove 2 hours home for a 0530 show time tomorrow. This was around a half hour out of my way. The dog was thrilled to see me and I felt sorry for only being able to spend 15 minutes to walk him. He definitely got treats from me for being good. When I opened his crate he laid down on the carpet and looked VERY depressed to be put back in. I did feel horribly bad for him, but my job keeps me gone too much to be the spearhead on this. He'll get to spend tonight with his "mama" tonight...

My girlfriend had two questions for all of you who she called my "friends"....

1. She doesn't believe the dog should get treats every time we take him out. I'm trying to double down on the positive reinforcement and have been doing that, but she isn't. Which route should we go, because we need to standardize his training? She's worried he'd be getting too many treats and some "junk food". The treats I give him were supposed to be healthy ones, she gives him pieces of "Beggin' Strips". I like giving him special treats that come exclusively from me, because I want him to relate to me.

2. How often can you bathe Yorkies? She claimed it was 1 time a week because their skin would get dried out. It's been rainy here and he's spent extra time in his crate due to our (my) work schedules.

I wasn't attempting to dodge any of you. My job is more important than even my own mother, because I save the lives of the guys who've sacrificed their bodies to save all of our lives. Its also time consuming... I regularly volunteer to fly Christmas's and Thanks Givings so that the Married guys can have time off with their families.
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Old 03-27-2009, 08:06 PM   #2
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Hopefully this thread will be a little calmer!

1. I would say he gets a nice treat every single time until he is officially trained - which is 30 days. At that point, you can start reducing the treats. To prevent him from filling up on junk, you can use really small treats. I think some people here use butterscotch baking chips, cut into thirds.

I think a special treat that only you give him is a very nice idea.

2. You can bathe a yorkie once per week. No more. I try to go two, but Thor ends up getting a little grungy. There are a lot of different in-between bath sprays.

3. What is this doggie's name??
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Hopefully this thread will be a little calmer!

1. I would say he gets a nice treat every single time until he is officially trained - which is 30 days. At that point, you can start reducing the treats. To prevent him from filling up on junk, you can use really small treats. I think some people here use butterscotch baking chips, cut into thirds.

I think a special treat that only you give him is a very nice idea.

2. You can bathe a yorkie once per week. No more. I try to go two, but Thor ends up getting a little grungy. There are a lot of different in-between bath sprays.

3. What is this doggie's name??
Got it on the treats. I'll relay the info to my girlfriend. I'm currently using treats that are half inch squares. I give him half after the first time he pees and the second half after the second time.

I'll buy him the in between spray as soon as I can get to the store.

As for the dog's name... It's Oliver, but he answers to Ollie.
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I just wanted to say you are getting excellent advice from Quicksilver. While I may not agree with your "tactics" in training your gf's little guy, I commend you for researching and seeking out the information needed to properly housebreak him.

Now with that being said, I want to thank you for your service to our country. My hubby was in Desert Storm and was in Iraq 2004-2005 doing medevac missions (he is a devildoc) so I know what being in those kinds of conditions can do to a person and a family. Again, thank you.
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I just wanted to say you are getting excellent advice from Quicksilver. While I may not agree with your "tactics" in training your gf's little guy, I commend you for researching and seeking out the information needed to properly housebreak him.

Now with that being said, I want to thank you for your service to our country. My hubby was in Desert Storm and was in Iraq 2004-2005 doing medevac missions (he is a devildoc) so I know what being in those kinds of conditions can do to a person and a family. Again, thank you.
I probably flew with him at some point if he was doing C-17 medevac during fall of 05 which was when we picked up the mission. I love flying and serving my country has always been my pleasure. Sometimes I do feel sorry for the people in my life that miss having me around. The situation with the dog could be solved much easier with both of us tag teaming it, but sadly I'm just a part timer because of my job.

If you want to see someone who's really sacrificed, talk to my mom. She's married to a former Navy pilot and spent Christmas 04-06 worrying whether or not I was ok. If I could give anyone an award it'd be my mom!
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I probably flew with him at some point if he was doing C-17 medevac during fall of 05 which was when we picked up the mission. I love flying and serving my country has always been my pleasure. Sometimes I do feel sorry for the people in my life that miss having me around. The situation with the dog could be solved much easier with both of us tag teaming it, but sadly I'm just a part timer because of my job.

If you want to see someone who's really sacrificed, talk to my mom. She's married to a former Navy pilot and spent Christmas 04-06 worrying whether or not I was ok. If I could give anyone an award it'd be my mom!

He was with the Marines...flew in CH-46's and sometimes CH-53's. He came home March of 05.
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I'm still going through the puppy stage (17 weeks old) with my girls but since were working on outside potty breaks I treat EVERY time they go potty outside. I want them to associate going potty outside with lots of praise and a treat so they look forward to taking care of business outside. If they don't potty outside they don't get a treat. My girls get Zuke's Mini Natural treats (but I cut them into 4ths) for training and for outside potty breaks they get Yorkie Yummies so it's an extra special treat for them.

My girls get a bath every 7-10 days with Minksheen shampoo and we try to work on grooming at least once a day.

Last but not least... thank you for serving our country!!!
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I'm still going through the puppy stage (17 weeks old) with my girls but since were working on outside potty breaks I treat EVERY time they go potty outside. I want them to associate going potty outside with lots of praise and a treat so they look forward to taking care of business outside. If they don't potty outside they don't get a treat. My girls get Zuke's Mini Natural treats (but I cut them into 4ths) for training and for outside potty breaks they get Yorkie Yummies so it's an extra special treat for them.

My girls get a bath every 7-10 days with Minksheen shampoo and we try to work on grooming at least once a day.

Last but not least... thank you for serving our country!!!
It sounds like I'm on the right track with the treats and I need to get her on board.

I appreciate all the advice.
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He was with the Marines...flew in CH-46's and sometimes CH-53's. He came home March of 05.
Ohhhh... He was TIP of the spear in the evac chain that leads back to Andrews AFB. I've gotta thank him for HIS service. That was and still is dangerous work. He was also over there FULL time. We get in and get out. Mine isn't very dangerous but is time consuming and wears us out. Our crew duty day is 24 hours waiverable to 26, but I've flown longer to save lives which is always miserable. At the end of the day we got catty like a bunch of cranky women! No offense to all of you who are mostly women!
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He's laughing at your 'tip of the spear' comment...says he hasn't heard that in a long time.
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Until you get a handle on the potty duties, I think treats are a must, they really help. We weaned the treats down after a couple of weeks, not every time, but maybe every second or third time. Toby caught on within a month, poor Rudy was a bit slower and it took him a couple of months, but I firmly believe that this was because we were both working during his potty training period. We also found that confining the areas they are allowed in relieves a lot of stress during training bootcamp. They had to earn the privilege to have more freedom inside. I am happy to say that they have free reign of the house now 24/7 and we are going on day 54 accident free. Toby is 2 years old and Rudy will be 7 months old tomorrow
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I haven't posted on the prior thread, but I do want to say congratulations and good on you for trying to do the right thing for this yorkie. If you want a good cheap somewhat healthy treat to use for training, try cheerios. They would be much healthier than a sugar based treat and much much cheaper.
PS As the daughter of a career navy pilot and the mother of a prior sailor and a retired civil service employee (I helped design and test the weapoons used in the military) I would like to say thank you for your service.
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I would like to also suggest a good dog food with out any fillers. The first few ingredients should be meat, chicken,veal etc. NOT BY-PRODUCTSS, that like feeding the dog chicken lips, toenails and feathers. NO nutrition in that. LOL Some also have added DHA,I think it is. The Omegas. I am using Wellness dry and wet and I give only healthy snacks with the same type things as the food. Holistic or all natural. There is alot out there to choose from. It will help his poo be firm and small so less mess and No salt so he won't drink excessive H2o.
Hey, GOOD LUCK with Ollie, your GF and your job. THANK YOU FOR YOUR DEDICATION TO OUR COUNTRY. GOD BLESS YOU. BE SAFE........ Sharon PIXI & SPIKE 4mo. sibling puppys.
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I, as well, was not there for your previous thread. From what I heard you made quite an impact!
Anyway, back to potty training. I have a 14 week old who is pad trained. Trained him in about a month. Now guarunteed he still has an accident once in a while but he is learned well.
The one thing you are lacking it seems is time.
So my suggestion to you is that you and your gf start sharing the potty training duty. If you are not home alot, then keeping him in a crate all the time sucks, he will not learn if he is in there for hours at a time. I would suggest an xpen that you can put up in your kitchen or on hardwood floor. This will give your little one a place to play and call his own. I mean how would you do in a crate 8+ hours a day.
Plus the bonus to doing this, is that your little one gets accustomed to the living area, and learns to know what is expected of him.
When you are with him, say when you first get home, take him outside immediately and, using the bathroom word of choice, say it repeatedly. Consistency is important.
Everytime mine wakes or eats or snifs around I immediately put him on the pad and say potty. For me, like I said previously, it works.
Spend as much time with him now on training, because, in the future it will make your life a lot easier.
Plus this is great training to prepare you to become a father........
but I think that is another thread!
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Glade that this thread is a bit more civil. I apologize for getting frustrated with the other thread but it seemed as though bits and pieces of information kept surfacing and the story was not what it appeared to be.

Having said that, I am very glad to hear that your gf is willing to shoulder some of the training responsibilities. It does take effort on all those involved to work together for a common goal. You said that she has a roommate, is there anyway that that person could come home in the middle of the day and take Ollie out for a walk? If this is not an option, seriously consider using an expen. In my opionion, it is a better option because this gives them stretching room. I wouldn't want to be confined in a cubicle for hours at a time.

As for the treats, I would give one each time he potty's. If you are concerned with the type of treats, we have been giving pieces of carrots. They go nuts when they hear the crunch of them. I use the baby carrots and will eat one or two-good for me as well. I also give Zuke's but I break them in half and each get one.

Lil fu fu girl has a great idea for a command for pottying. We use "do your stuff". I have read that you should say it when they are actually in the act so they can associate it with the act and learn it accordingly. Again, whatever you decide, both of you need to use the same command.

I, as the others have, would like to Thank You for your sacrifices in keeping our country safe. My brother and husband are vets from the "conflict" and I say Thank You to them every veteren's day. Stay safe.

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