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Old 07-10-2008, 07:05 AM   #1
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I don't know what to do anymore and I am getting to my wits end with my yorkie. She just can't seem to get to being 100% housebroken. First of all, she will potty whenever she goes outside, and lets us know when she needs to go, but for some reason she ends up pooping in our bedroom over night. I think I just need to crate her a few times over night for that issue though until she gets the picture. My bigger issue right now is all the trickling pee. All the time! We've had this problem for a year now and it's happening way too often here recently. Whenever someone goes to pet her, 8 times out of ten she will just pee right on the spot. She also does this sometimes when I put her leash on, or whenever she knows she is in trouble. I've tried every approach to it it seems and nothing is working. I don't know what to do. I feel like she should be punished for peeing inside the house but I don't know how to go about it.
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I'm not sure how old she is, but using the crate at night should help.

As far as the other problem, it sounds like submissive peeing. So dogs will pee when excited or scared. They sometimes out grow it,but you can't punish her for it. It will only make it worse.

I'm sure others will come along with more suggestions. Good luck!!
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Have you had her checked to see if she has a bladder infection? Talk to your vet and see what he/she recommends.

I've known dogs that pee when they get excited. If that's the case, I have no idea what to do about that.

I still think talking to your vet is the best approach at this point.

All the best. I know how frustrating this must be.
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The submissive or excitement peeing is a tough issue because it is completely disconnected from housetraining. Talk to your vet to see if there is a medical issue, but from a training side you need to have guests and people IGNORE her when they come in until she calms down. There are tons of training books out there that address the problem.

As far as pooping in the middle of the night - basically she has to go at that time and obviously she isn't letting you know. You can try changing her feeding schedule so she will go earlier in the evening or not until morning. You can walk her before bed until she goes (they usually can't hold it on a walk and will go before they would normally ask to be let out). You can also crate her and take her out first thing in the morning and make sure she goes. She might also cry in the middle of the night to be let out, which is fine because then she is learning she needs to ASK to go out and that you will take her. I know if mine wake me up in the morning and I ignore them they will go on the floor, so we just go out and then go back to bed. It's not their fault if they try to wake me up and I ignore them or tell them to go back to sleep - they tried! So even when they want to go out at 5am we take them out and go back to sleep!
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Im with ya! Mine isnt getting the house training either AND pees when excited. I spoke to the vet about the peeing he said it was submissive peeing and that she SHOULD grow out of it in 6 months to a YEAR (OMG). Until then have people ignore her when they come in and wait till shes calm until they pet her. Also, no high pitched talking to her either or eye contact. its so very difficult in getting people to obey these rules. but i just had about 10 ppl show up at once and they did exactly this and she didnt pee at all. i was so happy. hope this helps!
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I hate to tell you this but I have had Yorkies for 18 years and have never met anyone that can say that their Yorkie is 100% potty trained all the time!! They are very smart and know where they are supposed to go but are very sneaky and sometime vindictive!! I have one girl that fake squats!! We would go outside to potty and I would see her squat and I would praise her and she would come in the house and go hide and pee. I would find pee later and think who did that?? Then one time I picked her up when she was coming in from the backyard and her little whizzer was dry and I realized that she would fake squat so that she could come inside!! What a little stinker!! It is frustrating but I love them so much that I just put up with it and don't let any of them in my living room so that I atleast have 1 room that guests can come and it smells clean, no dog hair on the couch and pee spots on the area rugs!!
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Well all of this has been helpful. Looks like I have a big project ahead of me. I love her to death though so it's definitely worth the effort! Thanks, I'll try and update with her progress!
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They are not easy to housebreak. All three of my furbutts are now 2 years old and although I have 2 that are 100% trained I still have the 1 which is my rescue that will have her little accidents here and there but she's gotten better. Her problem is that she doesn't like when you watch her so if you're near their potty area she will go elsewhere and do her business. Also she pee's on herself when she's very excited and she doesn't get in trouble for that. Its really not her fault. Thank goodness for hardwood floors and ceramic tile
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Don't punish her, in fact this in one of the main causes of summisive peeing.

http://www.ddfl.org/behavior/submissive-uri.pdf Here is also a good link on house training: Free House Training for Puppies and Adult Dogs - No More Accidents Starting Today!
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I hate to tell you this but I have had Yorkies for 18 years and have never met anyone that can say that their Yorkie is 100% potty trained all the time!! They are very smart and know where they are supposed to go but are very sneaky and sometime vindictive!! I have one girl that fake squats!! We would go outside to potty and I would see her squat and I would praise her and she would come in the house and go hide and pee. I would find pee later and think who did that?? Then one time I picked her up when she was coming in from the backyard and her little whizzer was dry and I realized that she would fake squat so that she could come inside!! What a little stinker!! It is frustrating but I love them so much that I just put up with it and don't let any of them in my living room so that I atleast have 1 room that guests can come and it smells clean, no dog hair on the couch and pee spots on the area rugs!!
If you have never met anyone that can say that their yorkie is 100% potty trained all the time then you haven't met Kacee. She is! She is now past three years old and had her last accident right after she was spayed at a little past six months old. Yippeee!
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If you have never met anyone that can say that their yorkie is 100% potty trained all the time then you haven't met Kacee. She is! She is now past three years old and had her last accident right after she was spayed at a little past six months old. Yippeee!
That's great! It gives me reason to hope
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I hate to tell you this but I have had Yorkies for 18 years and have never met anyone that can say that their Yorkie is 100% potty trained all the time!! They are very smart and know where they are supposed to go but are very sneaky and sometime vindictive!! I have one girl that fake squats!! We would go outside to potty and I would see her squat and I would praise her and she would come in the house and go hide and pee. I would find pee later and think who did that?? Then one time I picked her up when she was coming in from the backyard and her little whizzer was dry and I realized that she would fake squat so that she could come inside!! What a little stinker!! It is frustrating but I love them so much that I just put up with it and don't let any of them in my living room so that I atleast have 1 room that guests can come and it smells clean, no dog hair on the couch and pee spots on the area rugs!!
Loki is completely trained. His only accidents are truly accidents. He asks to go outside 100% of the time. I don't even crate him if I'm going to be gone less than a few hours. He has diabetes insipidus which means he drinks probably 4 times as much as normal and therefore needs to go out 4 times as often, so maybe he is so good because he has so much practice. No seriously, he is food motivated and he'd rather get the treat for going outside. The only time he has an accident is if he has to go very badly and I don't let him out immediately when he asks, and even that is very rare like every few months. Sometimes he gets scared by a clap of thunder or something but that is all related to his bladder issues and not at all a training issue.

Sammy is good too. She only has accidents like if I come home and don't let her out right away she is so busy greeting me she might forget to ask to go out, which again would be human error.
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I'm gonna brag here (don't you hate parents like that?) but my 7-year-old girl has been 100% house broken since she was a puppy (I'm not counting the excitement dribble). The housebreaking process lasted about 3 months. That's faster than any dog I've ever had in my life. (She's Brilliant!)

As for the excitement peeing, I started ignoring her when I first came home (you know, when they're in that hyper, jumping around stage) because as soon as I'd say hi or reach down to pet her, she'd pee. Once I started ignoring her, she calmed down very quickly. As soon as she calmed down, I'd quietly say hello to her and if she was still calm, I'd reach down and pet her gently, not saying anything while I did. If I'd been gone for more than a couple of hours, I'd walk her onto the grass (still not talking to her or reaching for her) until she peed. Then I could start to say hello. I was amazed at how successful this approach was. I also have "trained" my family and guests to not say hello to her immediately (unless they want their shoes dribbled on. They don't). LOL!

When she was a puppy, I trained her like this: We lived in Germany at the time and German houses have very wide door frames, at least 12 inches wide. I placed two baby gates parallel to each other in the same kitchen doorway. This left about 7-8 inches of space between the two gates. It should be close enough so that the dog can fit but not turn around. When I'd find a mess in the house (wet or dirty), I'd clean it up with paper towels, place the paper towels on the floor between the gates, and then go find the puppy. Without any fanfare or yelling or anger, I'd simply pick her up and put her in between the gates also. Since it was so narrow, she really didn't have space to turn around and was basically forced to sit near the messy paper towels. I'd then walk away without saying anything. After one minute, I'd walk by and say firmly, "No."
I didn't touch her or make loud noises or shove her nose in the mess. I simply said no firmly. Two minutes later, I'd say it again. After about 5 minutes, I'd calmly pick her up and take her outside where I would then tell her what a good girl she was if she so much as sniffed the grass. If she did her business outside she was praised. As the weeks went by, I increased the time but never longer than 10 minutes. Base the time on the maturity of the puppy.

I based this on the crating theory that dogs do not like to be contained with their messes. And everytime I put her in the gates, she'd push the paper towels to the far end and then back up to the other end and sit there. Looking a little forlorn, I might add. This process also removed me as the "bad guy" and eliminated the confusion yelling at them sometimes causes. I also didn't have to be present when the accident occurred. No "catching in the act" needed. She was three months old when I got her and started this process and was trained by the time she was 6-7 months old.

By the way, the excitement training came later - at about 3 or 4 years old - when I realized I was part of the problem by returning her excitement when I'd come home. It worked within a week or two. But since then, if I forget to stay calm and I accidentally match her excitement ... dribble dribble dribble. Oh, and once she's calmed down and I've been home for 5 -10 minutes, we usually have a mild "hello" session on the couch - dribble free!

I don't know if this will work for anyone - just wanted to share my experience.

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If you have never met anyone that can say that their yorkie is 100% potty trained all the time then you haven't met Kacee. She is! She is now past three years old and had her last accident right after she was spayed at a little past six months old. Yippeee!
Congrats Kacee! That's awesome. Max is almost there. He's had 1 accident maybe in the last 6 months.
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[QUOTE=julesb2000;2105174]I'm gonna brag here (don't you hate parents like that?) but my 7-year-old girl has been 100% house broken since she was a puppy (I'm not counting the excitement dribble). The housebreaking process lasted about 3 months. That's faster than any dog I've ever had in my life. (She's Brilliant!)

As for the excitement peeing, I started ignoring her when I first came home (you know, when they're in that hyper, jumping around stage) because as soon as I'd say hi or reach down to pet her, she'd pee. Once I started ignoring her, she calmed down very quickly. As soon as she calmed down, I'd quietly say hello to her and if she was still calm, I'd reach down and pet her gently, not saying anything while I did. If I'd been gone for more than a couple of hours, I'd walk her onto the grass (still not talking to her or reaching for her) until she peed. Then I could start to say hello. I was amazed at how successful this approach was. I also have "trained" my family and guests to not say hello to her immediately (unless they want their shoes dribbled on. They don't). LOL!

Max used to do that too. I'd come home and he'd pee from excitement, and I spoke to a trainer and did exactly as you did. And it's gone! It's hard to do b/c you miss your baby while you are out but it really does work. Also, you can't get on to them b/c they don't know they are doing it.
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