blue born

[traceyonpc]

my 5 year old bitch has had her first litter of 6,but 2 were born silver,i havent been able to find much out about these and what i have is conflicting. They seem healthy and thriving,i have read its to do with their genes...some say put them to sleep,others say they are fine...whats the facts? can anyone help

[msyorktown]

I am new as well..I believe they are blue born...they can be healthy, but some are quite ill...there is a member on here that has a blue born that is now a year old..i will see if i can find her

[107barney]

KendraE is a member here with a blue born, Mack Brown. She has some old threads if you do a search. There are also some long time breeders on here who can probably help you out if you post in the Breeder forum.

[107barney]

Here is her old thread:
http://www.yorkietalk.com/forums/gen...questions.html

[msyorktown]

hi again her user name is KendraE and she has an adult blue born...from reading threads some of these little guys dont live very long...send a pm to Kendra she will be able to help you as she has experience with this. sorry i couldn't be of any more help..Good Luck and prayers for you...and your pups

[Yorkiemom1]

TAKEN FROM GOLDENRAY YORKSIRE TERRIERS:
"Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain. At that time the dog has to be humanely put down. I have heard of a couple that have lived a normal life, but I think there are very few that do. Do not be tempted to raise one of these as you are opening yourself to heartbreak, let alone what the dog will go through later in life."

I am wondering what your pedigree on both the male and the female looks like. Can you PM me the registered name of both the dam and the sire so I can pull up a pedigree from AKC? It will be very informative to see who is behind your breeding pair, that is carrying this dd gene that triggers the recessive gene to come out. I am sorry about your two babies....how long have you been breeding? If this was one of my litters, of course, these are two babies you pull and keep for yourself, so if they are affected like the article states they will be, you have not sold that baby to someone, who has fallen in love with that baby, only to loose it.....such utter heartbreak. I am NOT a proponent of culling....but I will euthanize a baby that is obviously suffering or in distress....I could NOT cull these two babies at THIS time, but I would NEVER sell them....to me that is unethical. They would be put to restful sleep when their condition deteriorated and their quality of life began to diminish. I would cry....and my heart would break over the loss of these two little souls that did not ask to be conceived. It is incumbent on you to research this thoroughly and see if this breeding pair should ever be bred ahain, either separately or to each other, or should the dam/sire be spayed/neutered if shehe is responsible for passing this gene to these babies. As a breeder, that is YOUR moral obligation and responsibility. I pray for you, wisdom and tolerance and committment as you start this journey.

[KendraE]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

TAKEN FROM GOLDENRAY YORKSIRE TERRIERS:
"Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain. At that time the dog has to be humanely put down. I have heard of a couple that have lived a normal life, but I think there are very few that do. Do not be tempted to raise one of these as you are opening yourself to heartbreak, let alone what the dog will go through later in life."

I am wondering what your pedigree on both the male and the female looks like. Can you PM me the registered name of both the dam and the sire so I can pull up a pedigree from AKC? It will be very informative to see who is behind your breeding pair, that is carrying this dd gene that triggers the recessive gene to come out. I am sorry about your two babies....how long have you been breeding? If this was one of my litters, of course, these are two babies you pull and keep for yourself, so if they are affected like the article states they will be, you have not sold that baby to someone, who has fallen in love with that baby, only to loose it.....such utter heartbreak. I am NOT a proponent of culling....but I will euthanize a baby that is obviously suffering or in distress....I could NOT cull these two babies at THIS time, but I would NEVER sell them....to me that is unethical. They would be put to restful sleep when their condition deteriorated and their quality of life began to diminish. I would cry....and my heart would break over the loss of these two little souls that did not ask to be conceived. It is incumbent on you to research this thoroughly and see if this breeding pair should ever be bred ahain, either separately or to each other, or should the dam/sire be spayed/neutered if shehe is responsible for passing this gene to these babies. As a breeder, that is YOUR moral obligation and responsibility. I pray for you, wisdom and tolerance and committment as you start this journey.

Hello!! And welcome to YT!! Im sorry to say dont listen to the above post, but pleaze dont!!!

I have a blue born puppy... he is from a singleton litter (thank goodness), but he is an absolute angel baby!! There aren't alot of Blues out there to compare these pups outcomes to!! I definitely would NOT sell them....keep them or place them close with friends and family.. Who knows what their future holds.... But, it is soooo uncertain!! They may be healthy, wonderful babies as my Mack Brown is.. He did contract parvo at 7 months old when he was neutered even though he had 5 rounds of shots..My guess is these babies have a low tolerance and are very susceptible to diseases..;.but again, I dont know if it was a fluke or not. I will be more than happy to be there for you and guide you through!!! What do your babies look like? Check out my albulms for Mack and see if the coloring is the same... Good Luck!!!

Kendra

[Yorkiemom1]

Please be specific as to exactly WHAT in my post you do not weant the OP to listen to? I am just curious....I gave her nothing but FACTS...no opinions, and I did NOT advocate culling or euthanising the baby, which most breeders will do. I am just curious about which FACT I told her, you do not want her to listen or pay heed to.

[KendraE]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Please be specific as to exactly WHAT in my post you do not weant the OP to listen to? I am just curious....I gave her nothing but FACTS...no opinions, and I did NOT advocate culling or euthanising the baby, which most breeders will do. I am just curious about which FACT I told her, you do not want her to listen or pay heed to.

The first paragraph...

No offense... But I had several individuals tell me to put my pup down... I just never want anyone to think that they are all the same.

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by KendraE

The first paragraph...

No offense... But I had several individuals tell me to put my pup down... I just never want anyone to think that they are all the same.

Certainly no offense taken!! I have never seen a blue born, never had experience with them, just have heard other breeders...the ones that will ADMIT that they had this genetic mishap spring up in their lines....advocate culling, which I just can not imagine doing! I quoted from Goldenray Yorkies, what THEY felt about blue borns.....I just did not want to think these two babies would be sold....and some breeders would jump on this "rare, rare blue color!!" as a reason to justify charging more for the babies.....to some unsuspecting owner, who would have NO idea the cause for this color was a genetic short circuit, and then loose their little baby after just several months or years. I just encouraged her to keep the babies, not to cull, but in the event they face they type of future outlined by GoldenRay, I didnt want to see those babies sold and then the new owners go through that heartbreak..... I certainly do hope Goldenray, as well as other breeders that have been doing this for 30-40 years, much longer than I have!....are wrong....and I hope your little baby lives a very long and healthy life....there are ALWAYS exceptions to every rule....I think they are emphasizing an "in general" concept!!! How old is your baby now?

[KendraE]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

Certainly no offense taken!! I have never seen a blue born, never had experience with them, just have heard other breeders...the ones that will ADMIT that they had this genetic mishap spring up in their lines....advocate culling, which I just can not imagine doing! I quoted from Goldenray Yorkies, what THEY felt about blue borns.....I just did not want to think these two babies would be sold....and some breeders would jump on this "rare, rare blue color!!" as a reason to justify charging more for the babies.....to some unsuspecting owner, who would have NO idea the cause for this color was a genetic short circuit, and then loose their little baby after just several months or years. I just encouraged her to keep the babies, not to cull, but in the event they face they type of future outlined by GoldenRay, I didnt want to see those babies sold and then the new owners go through that heartbreak..... I certainly do hope Goldenray, as well as other breeders that have been doing this for 30-40 years, much longer than I have!....are wrong....and I hope your little baby lives a very long and healthy life....there are ALWAYS exceptions to every rule....I think they are emphasizing an "in general" concept!!! How old is your baby now?

I completely understand!! As I also told her to either keep them or make sure they were close at hand with family or friends!

Mack turned 1 this past February... He is such a wonderful baby! I know we were very fortunate that he has done so very well. Of course, His future is still unknown.... but we just take it one day at a time... I just hate to hear people say they had a blue and they are garbage... Mack is wonderful and I cant imagine our lives without him!

That is him in my avatar... the gorgeous white baby!!!

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by KendraE

I completely understand!! As I also told her to either keep them or make sure they were close at hand with family or friends!

Mack turned 1 this past February... He is such a wonderful baby! I know we were very fortunate that he has done so very well. Of course, His future is still unknown.... but we just take it one day at a time... I just hate to hear people say they had a blue and they are garbage... Mack is wonderful and I cant imagine our lives without him!

That is him in my avatar... the gorgeous white baby!!!

He is adorable! I do not think ANY of these precious little souls are garbage...God sent them here for a reason....it is our responsibility to handle them with love and care and understanding, not culling just because it "MAY" turn out unpleasant...and if the time comes when, for WHATEVER reason, their quality of life deteriorates to a point were they are in pain or are irretrivable, health-wise, I feel as their Earth bound caretakers, we have to "bite the bullet' and do whatever is humanely possible to see to it they are returned to Him in as pain free condition as He has given us the knowledge to achieve. I am so happy your little Mack is doing so very well! It is a wonderful thing God sent him to YOU...you saw his value and his purpose of life, and you have probably learned so very much with your experiences with a "blue born"....whatever his future is, I feel he is in loving and caring hands that will do whatever is necessary for him to live a happy and carefree life! And see, God has positioned YOU to share your knowledge gained, with others that may have been "loaned" a little blue baby from Him, so you can enlighten them and encourage them....and maybe they too will have the positive, loving experiences you have had with your little Mack! You can show them it isnt all necessarily gloom and doom and desperation.....Good for you, and God bless you!!!

[Nancy1999]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

TAKEN FROM GOLDENRAY YORKSIRE TERRIERS:
"Unfortunately with blue born puppies the situation is usually fatal. Very few live beyond the 1st few days. The ones that do survive almost always at the time they would normally break blue, lose all their blue body coat and get a very leathery skin that is like an elephant hide and causes the dog to be in extreme pain. At that time the dog has to be humanely put down. I have heard of a couple that have lived a normal life, but I think there are very few that do. Do not be tempted to raise one of these as you are opening yourself to heartbreak, let alone what the dog will go through later in life."

I am wondering what your pedigree on both the male and the female looks like. Can you PM me the registered name of both the dam and the sire so I can pull up a pedigree from AKC? It will be very informative to see who is behind your breeding pair, that is carrying this dd gene that triggers the recessive gene to come out. I am sorry about your two babies....how long have you been breeding? If this was one of my litters, of course, these are two babies you pull and keep for yourself, so if they are affected like the article states they will be, you have not sold that baby to someone, who has fallen in love with that baby, only to loose it.....such utter heartbreak. I am NOT a proponent of culling....but I will euthanize a baby that is obviously suffering or in distress....I could NOT cull these two babies at THIS time, but I would NEVER sell them....to me that is unethical. They would be put to restful sleep when their condition deteriorated and their quality of life began to diminish. I would cry....and my heart would break over the loss of these two little souls that did not ask to be conceived. It is incumbent on you to research this thoroughly and see if this breeding pair should ever be bred ahain, either separately or to each other, or should the dam/sire be spayed/neutered if shehe is responsible for passing this gene to these babies. As a breeder, that is YOUR moral obligation and responsibility. I pray for you, wisdom and tolerance and committment as you start this journey.

Great post, and I really hope the OP listens to your words of wisdom. I think at the very least the breeding pair should never be bred again, for even breeding each to different dogs passes the recessive gene down the line, so this pops up again and again. Until breeders stop breeding dogs who knowingly are passing genetic problems, these little dogs will have to pay for our carelessness.

[KendraE]

Originally Posted by Yorkiemom1

He is adorable! I do not think ANY of these precious little souls are garbage...God sent them here for a reason....it is our responsibility to handle them with love and care and understanding, not culling just because it "MAY" turn out unpleasant...and if the time comes when, for WHATEVER reason, their quality of life deteriorates to a point were they are in pain or are irretrivable, health-wise, I feel as their Earth bound caretakers, we have to "bite the bullet' and do whatever is humanely possible to see to it they are returned to Him in as pain free condition as He has given us the knowledge to achieve. I am so happy your little Mack is doing so very well! It is a wonderful thing God sent him to YOU...you saw his value and his purpose of life, and you have probably learned so very much with your experiences with a "blue born"....whatever his future is, I feel he is in loving and caring hands that will do whatever is necessary for him to live a happy and carefree life! And see, God has positioned YOU to share your knowledge gained, with others that may have been "loaned" a little blue baby from Him, so you can enlighten them and encourage them....and maybe they too will have the positive, loving experiences you have had with your little Mack! You can show them it isnt all necessarily gloom and doom and desperation.....Good for you, and God bless you!!!

Thank you so very much! I thank God each and every day for him and pray that he stays healthy! I hope the OP doesn't lose hope with her new arrivals....

[Yorkiemom1]

Originally Posted by Nancy1999

Great post, and I really hope the OP listens to your words of wisdom. I think at the very least the breeding pair should never be bred again, for even breeding each to different dogs passes the recessive gene down the line, so this pops up again and again. Until breeders stop breeding dogs who knowingly are passing genetic problems, these little dogs will have to pay for our carelessness.

Yes.....and it is these little babies that end up paying dearly for our carelessness.