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Old 07-14-2008, 08:44 AM   #1
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Default New Puppies at Welshmoor Farm

Hi , I have been so busy with the new puppies I haven't had time for YorkieTalk but today I reached a good place with their training and I have some time to spare so I thought I'd catch up.

Caro and Rhia are 16 weeks old now and I'm delighted to say their training is going really well. They are housebroken and have learned their names; they are perfectly clear on a few really useful commands - go toilet, stop, wait, come, sit, stay, food, and drink!

The training has been harder with two to cope with as the bonding with me 'the pack leader' could have faltered if I hadn't been very careful to give them individual time in training. I am currently working hard on the recall command before I leave them off the leash in the garden.

I am fortunate that I have a farm on the moor and there is good walking ground all around. I walk the dogs twice a day for about 30 mins each time and this is proving to be excellent exercise for them. It has calmed down the exuberance of the puppies, and Pepsi just loves it too.

Caro and Rhia came from a litter of 9 pups. I have set up a website for recording their progress and development and I hope that the other lucky owners of the pups in the litter will contribute to it too: 9WelshYorkies.ning.com.
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Old 07-14-2008, 05:36 PM   #2
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Wow...those are big pups...I thought Corky was big....yours have the longer legs like my tiny Casper does...they are lovely and so lucky to have all that freedom....lucky you too....loads of kisses !
Here is Corky my pup below and my other tinnies.
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Nine is a big litter for Yorkies.

I've occassionally kept two out of the same litter if it's been a particularly good mating that I've had high hopes for in the show ring. My two youngest Skye girls,18 months old now, are litter mates, as are some of my old Cairns. I find it's swings & roundabouts, some ways it's harder with two growing up together, especially with Skyes, but in other ways it's far easier.

Don't you let them off the lead at all in the garden?
We live high on the moors as well but, even though I have geese & poultry in two of our fields, the dogs are free to run off lead on our own land.

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Old 07-15-2008, 12:25 AM   #4
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Hi Debra and Meggie

Thanks for your kind words ... yes they are big girls aren't they, though Caro is noticeably smaller than Rhia. Dam was a standard (17lbs three year old) and Sire was a miniture Yorkie. I think Caro will stay very small, so not sure about having a litter for her, because I don't want her to have complications with birthing a large puppy.

Can you give me advise about sibling rivalry Meggie? You say you have kept two girls from the same litter ... how did they get on? Caro and Rhia get really rough and aggressive with each other, particularly Caro, who is much smaller as I've said, she's always having a go at Rhia and shows jealousy if Rhia wants a cuddle with me. She's also the one who is vocal and this is something I'm not used to ... my other girls didn't yap at all, I only ever heard their voices when they warned of visitors to the farm yard.

Lovely to hear from you both, you have loads of experience I can tell. I wish you both well and hope to keep in touch regularly.

Below you will see my other girls Coco (Coke) and Pepsi. Coke - in the middle pic and laying on the left - passed away age 13 years three years ago, and Pepsi is now 10 years old and going strong.

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It sounds like Caro is the more dominant of the two. It often happens that the smaller one can be the more dominant.

Mostly I've found that litter sisters get on fine & can be inseparable, my two younger Skyes are like that. Where you see one the other is never more than a few feet away. I have a pair of old Cairns the same, they sleep together & always used to foster each other's puppies. Two of my other oldies are brother & sister. He pines for his sister if they're ever separated.

But it doesn't always happen like that. You can sometimes get a real problem. I kept a pair of litter sisters, and later two brothers, who were fine as puppies. But as they reached adolescence, that's often when trouble starts around 8 months to a year, they began to fight. Not just squabbles, really serious fighting. The two brothers, both of whom were successful show dogs, I had to keep separated for the rest of their lives. Just seeing each other used to set them off rowing.

The two bitches were even worse, they often are far worse than dogs if they take against each other, & would have inflicted serious injury on each other if they could. Breaking up one of their fights landed me in A&E with the top of my thumb missing!
I had to rehome one of them, there was no way I could keep them both. The one I kept was perfectly fine with all the others afterwards, as was the one I rehomed. She never showed a hint of aggression with her new owners, it was just each other that they couldn't abide once they grew up.

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So what do you think of this aggression at 16 weeks old?

I hope I don't have to endure the same sort of situation you had to deal with, as it would be heart-braking to part with one, and how the hell do you choose between them? ! !

Caro most definitely has issues, she doesn't feed well either, I have pandered to her slightly in feeding from my hand, but even then she won't eat properly. I thought perhaps she suffered in the litter of 9 pups by having her other brothers and sisters steal her share of the food but actually she will attempt to steal Rhia's food and leave her own. It's truly baffling. If she were human I'd say she has an enormous chip on her shoulder but I do try not to impose human feelings and emotions on them.

I would find it really difficult to keep them apart from a practical point of view, so is there any way of dealing with this behaviour and enouraging them to get-on!?! Any advice at all will be gratefully received.

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Don't worry too much, they're just babies yet. They'll only pick up your mood.
And they're Yorkies, not bigger terriers with real terrier temperaments like my troublesome pairs were. My yorkies have never been so gladiatorial

Feeding her by hand will be encouraging any dominant tendencies she has, she'll feel she's extra special in your eyes & a bit above Rhia, so you might want to think about stopping doing that.

This age is very important in training them to regard you as top dog, you really need to imprint that on them & there's lots of ways to do it kindly. You need to be firm but in no way shouty or aggressive, kindness is all in training. If you need specifics just ask.

It's essential with two litter mates to make sure you spend enough time with each of them on their own, one to one, instead of always having them as a pair. This is the very best way to stop them being so fixated on each other. Take them out for walks one at a time & do some training with them while you're out, every day.

If at all possible, find a puppy socialising class, either attached to an obedience training club or a ringcraft club for show dogs (doesn't matter if they're not show material, all puppies are welcome for socialising) to get them used to mixing with lots of other dogs & people. It all helps to dissipate that very intense bond between them that can turn to aggression if it's in their nature.

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