Yorkies in the UK compared with Yorkies in the US. - Page 2 - YorkieTalk.com Forums

Meggie · 03-06-2008, 04:11 AM

Teacup is just a word, slang, it isn't an official description.
Most of the ones in the show ring here are in the 5-7lb range, some of the males are a bit smaller, but breeders who show won't usually keep a smaller bitch as it's too dangerous to breed from her. Even if you were to mate to a tiny dog there is still a risk of a big puppy because of the larger breeds like the Clydesdale & Paisley from which Yorkies were developed. Compared to many British breeds, it is still a relatively new breed & not as stabalized as some of those that are hundreds of years old.

All you need is the breed standard, it contains all you need to know...

http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/199

Kbsqueff · 03-06-2008, 05:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Chellbe46

can you tell what my baby is,
Whenn i got him from a beeder near my home he told me Valentino was a teacup(small) yorkie and a docked tail. Since then i have found out loads of stuff about the breeder. tino is now fully grown and has got a bit longer in the body but still small i think.
I got alot for horrible people on this site saying that there is not such thing as a teacup, but that is what i was yold when i got my baby boy.
how can you tell what he is?
hes 8 months and 3lb and nutty as hell .

First off, Tino is very very CUTE!!!

Second... I hope you are not calling me horrible

Because if you are willing to be a friend of mine (and I wish we will be friends

) you will know I really am not horrible at all...

I say that there's not such thing as a teacup pup because it's TRUE... Teacup is just a word, as others already told you...

I know when you (generally speaking) go and buy a puppy and totally fall in love w/ him/her, you tend to believe in everything the breeder say, and it's hard when others say you were lied to...

And all I can say is that Tino is a standard size yorkie

Maggie Lou is almost 2 yrs old and 4lbs and Hannah is 1 yr old and 2lbs... And they are NOT teacups, they are standard size too...

KissKiss · 03-06-2008, 07:40 AM

I thought the breed 'minimum' was 4 lbs? I'm pretty sure the KC and AKC standard is 4- 7 llbs!?

What I have noticed is that when people esp in the UK say they have a standard yorkie it is quite big like a silky.

eta: When people describe their small yorkie as teacup isnt this just the same as describing a bigger yorkie as teapot? Yet Teacup seems to have negative connotations - where teapot is looked at as a cute description of a larger sized yorkie.

Lorrie · 03-06-2008, 07:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Chellbe46

can you tell what my baby is,
Whenn i got him from a beeder near my home he told me Valentino was a teacup(small) yorkie and a docked tail. Since then i have found out loads of stuff about the breeder. tino is now fully grown and has got a bit longer in the body but still small i think.
I got alot for horrible people on this site saying that there is not such thing as a teacup, but that is what i was yold when i got my baby boy.
how can you tell what he is?
hes 8 months and 3lb and nutty as hell .

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On Friday, April 6th (2007), the Animal Welfare Act became law in England (March 28th in Wales) and with it, a ban on tail docking for all but working dogs became effective. Later this month, the Animal Health & Welfare (Scotland) Act comes into effect, with a total ban on the docking of dogs’ tails, with no exemptions.

http://www.dognews.co.uk/tail-dockin...ficially-over/

Tino's tail would not have been docked by a Vet if he is 8 months old. Presumably it was done by the breeder, who presumably did not know it was against the law, who also presumably does not know that teacup is not a correct description of the size of any breed of dog. It would be interesting to hear whether what you have found out about the breeder since Tino came into your life was good, bad or so-so.

I don't think anyone is having a go at you, but some people are concerned at what you were told by your dog's breeder. And some would like it to be known that the word teacup is merely a way of passing off dogs that are too small to breed (safely in the case of bitches), probably too small to show but certainly small enough to bring in the money because they are fashionable in some circles... Paris Hilton, Britney Spears etc come to mind

And... I can tell that Tino looks like 3lbs of totally adorable Yorkie

Lorrie · 03-06-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KissKiss

I thought the breed 'minimum' was 4 lbs? I'm pretty sure the KC and AKC standard is 4- 7 llbs!?

What I have noticed is that when people esp in the UK say they have a standard yorkie it is quite big like a silky.

eta: When people describe their small yorkie as teacup isnt this just the same as describing a bigger yorkie as teapot? Yet Teacup seems to have negative connotations - where teapot is looked at as a cute description of a larger sized yorkie.

I looked up the standards before my first reply:
UK
Size
Weight up to 3.2 kgs (7 lbs).
http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/199
US
Weight
Must not exceed seven pounds.
http://www.akc.org/breeds/yorkshire_terrier/index.cfm

I have to admit I thought people used the word teaPOT as a term of endearment for their really large or overweight doggies.

Kbsqueff · 03-06-2008, 08:00 AM

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Originally Posted by KissKiss

I thought the breed 'minimum' was 4 lbs? I'm pretty sure the KC and AKC standard is 4- 7 llbs!?

What I have noticed is that when people esp in the UK say they have a standard yorkie it is quite big like a silky.

eta: When people describe their small yorkie as teacup isnt this just the same as describing a bigger yorkie as teapot? Yet Teacup seems to have negative connotations - where teapot is looked at as a cute description of a larger sized yorkie.

AKC says weight must not exceed 7 pounds.

Kbsqueff · 03-06-2008, 08:01 AM

You beat me...

Lorrie · 03-06-2008, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Kbsqueff

You beat me...

It could only have been by a "whisker" though

Kbsqueff · 03-06-2008, 11:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Lorrie

It could only have been by a "whisker" though

Chellbe46 · 03-06-2008, 11:09 PM

Thank you for you comments, and would love to stay friends too xxx

Kbsqueff · 03-07-2008, 05:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Chellbe46

Thank you for you comments, and would love to stay friends too xxx

KissKiss · 03-07-2008, 06:14 AM

wow I didn't know that it was illegal to get a puppy's tail docked, I was going to take Tia (future baby

) to the vet to get it done.

So everyone's babies (presumbly those less than a year old) have their natural tails? Do you have any pictures?

KissKiss · 03-07-2008, 06:20 AM

Just had a look at the act, so it is indeed true the only exception is if the dog is a working dog and less than 5 days old. According to the act you (person in control of the dog) and the vet can be responsible for docking its tail - unless there was a medical reason to do so.

(9) (a) makes some liable if - he shows a dog at an event to which members of the public are admitted on payment of a fee,

a2luckygirl · 03-07-2008, 06:45 AM

I think of the term- teacup- as a reference to adult size!

When buying a poodle for my sister- the refered to it as a "breeders term" for the size range the pup would be in.
They have 2 terms for the Toy Poodle breed;

TEACUP, TINY TOY----IN THE TOY POODLES
but there is no such thing as a tescup,or tiny toy by AKC- they are all toys! It is used as a term or slang for a size of a dog, like teapot! it is a slange, started by breders, to state if it is a smaller size pup.
That is what I read about the Toy Poodles- and IMO- it is for any small breed! so If I see an ad for teacup- I just think that is going to be a smaller dog.
nOW IF I SEE WE BREED FOR TEACUPS- that is another thing! I do not feel someone should breed for tiny pups- if you have some in a litter- you have some!

midnightmist · 03-08-2008, 03:38 AM

I too have comented on the fact that yorkies seem to be larger over here than in the usa.Most of the yorkies I have had have been on the larger side.My Ellie weighs 6.8lb,and I too get asked is she a teacup.I just laugh and say she's just a normal yorkie.At 8 months she weiged just under 3lbs.She is a bit plumper than I would like at the moment,I think her food suits her a little too well!Royal Canin Yorkshire.
Tea cup is just a description used by people to give an idea of the size of the dog,the dog will fit in a teacup, so you can imagine what size it will be without actually seeing the dog.This is normally done in advertising to make a dog sound more appealing.In any other breed these pups would normaly be classed as runts.
Tino looks to be growing into a beautiful little yorkie and should be in the standard for a yorkie.With yorkies over here tending to be larger it seems that all yorkies that are in the standard,under 7lbs, seem to be classed by the general public as teacups.These so called tea cup yorkies will always be around while people advertise them like this.It's Crufts this week,I don't think you will find a class for teacup yorkies,just standard

03-06-2008, 11:09 PM	#25
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03-07-2008, 06:45 AM	#29
a2luckygirl YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: RIGHT NOW- MO! Posts: 1,968	I think of the term- teacup- as a reference to adult size! When buying a poodle for my sister- the refered to it as a "breeders term" for the size range the pup would be in. They have 2 terms for the Toy Poodle breed; TEACUP, TINY TOY----IN THE TOY POODLES but there is no such thing as a tescup,or tiny toy by AKC- they are all toys! It is used as a term or slang for a size of a dog, like teapot! it is a slange, started by breders, to state if it is a smaller size pup. That is what I read about the Toy Poodles- and IMO- it is for any small breed! so If I see an ad for teacup- I just think that is going to be a smaller dog. nOW IF I SEE WE BREED FOR TEACUPS- that is another thing! I do not feel someone should breed for tiny pups- if you have some in a litter- you have some! __________________ :I PLAYING....THE BANJO........ AND KISSING MY MOMMY GO TEAM EMMA

03-08-2008, 03:38 AM	#30
midnightmist Donating Yorkie Yakker Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Nottinghamshire-UK Posts: 403	I too have comented on the fact that yorkies seem to be larger over here than in the usa.Most of the yorkies I have had have been on the larger side.My Ellie weighs 6.8lb,and I too get asked is she a teacup.I just laugh and say she's just a normal yorkie.At 8 months she weiged just under 3lbs.She is a bit plumper than I would like at the moment,I think her food suits her a little too well!Royal Canin Yorkshire. Tea cup is just a description used by people to give an idea of the size of the dog,the dog will fit in a teacup, so you can imagine what size it will be without actually seeing the dog.This is normally done in advertising to make a dog sound more appealing.In any other breed these pups would normaly be classed as runts. Tino looks to be growing into a beautiful little yorkie and should be in the standard for a yorkie.With yorkies over here tending to be larger it seems that all yorkies that are in the standard,under 7lbs, seem to be classed by the general public as teacups.These so called tea cup yorkies will always be around while people advertise them like this.It's Crufts this week,I don't think you will find a class for teacup yorkies,just standard __________________ midnightmist ELLIE http://www.myspace.com/yorkie_luvr TRIXIE

03-06-2008, 04:11 AM	#16
Meggie YT 500 Club Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Lancashire, England Posts: 514	Teacup is just a word, slang, it isn't an official description. Most of the ones in the show ring here are in the 5-7lb range, some of the males are a bit smaller, but breeders who show won't usually keep a smaller bitch as it's too dangerous to breed from her. Even if you were to mate to a tiny dog there is still a risk of a big puppy because of the larger breeds like the Clydesdale & Paisley from which Yorkies were developed. Compared to many British breeds, it is still a relatively new breed & not as stabalized as some of those that are hundreds of years old. All you need is the breed standard, it contains all you need to know... http://www.thekennelclub.org.uk/item/199

03-06-2008, 07:40 AM	#18
KissKiss Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: manchester Posts: 112	I thought the breed 'minimum' was 4 lbs? I'm pretty sure the KC and AKC standard is 4- 7 llbs!? What I have noticed is that when people esp in the UK say they have a standard yorkie it is quite big like a silky. eta: When people describe their small yorkie as teacup isnt this just the same as describing a bigger yorkie as teapot? Yet Teacup seems to have negative connotations - where teapot is looked at as a cute description of a larger sized yorkie.

03-06-2008, 08:01 AM	#22
Kbsqueff YT 1000 Club Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Rio Grande do Sul - BRAZIL Posts: 1,017	You beat me...

03-07-2008, 06:14 AM	#27
KissKiss Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: manchester Posts: 112	wow I didn't know that it was illegal to get a puppy's tail docked, I was going to take Tia (future baby ) to the vet to get it done. So everyone's babies (presumbly those less than a year old) have their natural tails? Do you have any pictures?

03-07-2008, 06:20 AM	#28
KissKiss Senior Yorkie Talker Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: manchester Posts: 112	Just had a look at the act, so it is indeed true the only exception is if the dog is a working dog and less than 5 days old. According to the act you (person in control of the dog) and the vet can be responsible for docking its tail - unless there was a medical reason to do so. (9) (a) makes some liable if - he shows a dog at an event to which members of the public are admitted on payment of a fee,